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Is The Government Poisoning Us From Planes?

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Like I said, they used to do the same here in the Portland area, especially on clear, hot days...it used to piss me off so badly to have a crystal clear cloudless morning, promising 90 degrees and sunshine, and then by noon we would be enveloped in a gray haze...it was really heavy for a couple years, like from about 2007 until this summer when it abruptly stopped completely for many weeks during the times where in years prior they would spray the heaviest.

I was really starting to think they had "finished" with the northwest, when in September I noticed some spraying again, but it's not heavy anymore like it used to be. I don't notice the huge criss cross patches anymore, it's like they only spray sporadically to remind us that this is the way jets are supposed to behave.




posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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Sounds like about the same pattern here. In the slideshow of OP news story, about the third picture in, that murky gray looking one, is pretty typical of what happens. Somedays it's not as gloomy, just a haze. I read and starred your posts. I think this is one of those things where if you haven't seen it over time for yourself, you just don't get.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Back at you.

Gloomy is a good way to describe it, and yeah it's easy to discount until you watch it over time. I used to be digging outside and look up to the sky and feel just like a sprayed bug. The way I look at it is like this: fine, so I didn't notice it 30 years ago, but if this is normal behavior for normal jet traffic, then regardless whether it's a new phenomenon or not, it must stop.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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Exactly...either it must stop or we need to find out why it's happening more because that might be a pretty good indications of what's wrong with our atmosphere, and it probably isn't good for us. No one ever seems to address that angle...or rarely anyway.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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I cannot say its contrails based on your opinions as a pilot. At least admit that something COULD be happening in our sky's,without "YOU" having privy to its knowledge. No one has all the facts yet.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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chemtrails were proven tonite on this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

debunk that !! but they are helping us against radiation
no sinister plot there.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by ~Lucidity
 


Back at you.

Gloomy is a good way to describe it, and yeah it's easy to discount until you watch it over time. I used to be digging outside and look up to the sky and feel just like a sprayed bug. The way I look at it is like this: fine, so I didn't notice it 30 years ago, but if this is normal behavior for normal jet traffic, then regardless whether it's a new phenomenon or not, it must stop.



So are you going to contact your congressman or Senator and tell them to ban jet aircraft, or maybe not let any aircraft fly in temperatures of -30 and below? Or maybe will you lobby to have Boeing, Cessna and Raytheon closed down?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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No....."chem"-trails were not "proven" by the links in that thread.

What is "proven", and has been discussed at length, is that there are many, many studies ongoing. Brainstorming, really.

The place (osti) is a repository of a lot of information. Just reading on page one, already a member MIS-understood the mention of "aerosols", and immediately jumped to the (wrong) conclusions...yet again.

>sigh<

Just do some basic looking-up of definitions...like "aerosol" in the context of atmospheric studies.

Hint: THEY are naturally occurring!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Everyone who's been breathing for longer than 25 years should be able to notice a difference, notwithstanding shrill naysayers, fluoridated water, endless ridicule, government propaganda, and bought and paid for congress critters. Petitioning the people responsible is an obvious a waste of time, especially since the government publicly denies it or explains it away as cloud seeding to combat global warming, or whatever other explanation (or silence) they provide.

My only stake in this issue is to raise awareness of it, based on my observations. Hopefully eventually enough people will snap out of their trance and see something is very different, but giving you huge latitude and the benefit of a sliver of doubt, even if you're right and this is normal for jet traffic it really doesn't matter, because the results are still unacceptable.

What do you have motivating you to continue the polluting of our environment? If you're a pilot, you have an obvious stake in keeping the the status quo. You've undoubtedly rationalized your role in the poisoning of the planet, and I can understand that if your livelihood depends on the continuation of the process, that you've found a way to reconcile it. I don't blame you for that and I'm not trying to take away your paycheck or your birthday, I just don't like breathing nano-particles, or jetwash or whatever you want to call it. It is a visible phenomenon that pollutes our skies and cannot be healthy no matter how you twist yourself into a pretzel to justify and explain it. Profits should come after people, period.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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They might be poisoning us but it is not intentional. It is called weather modification... They conveniently overlooked the safety of the chemicals being dumped on us to save the environment. Psychologically, they are probably either insane and /or hate humanity for what it has done to the environment... Or at least that is their excuse. Either way, black projects have gotten way out of hand... Powers have been left unchecked for too long.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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You emailed that to your boss?? An glassy eyed everyday average automaton?! What were you thinking? I suggest you shut your mouth about the subject fast, to avoid doing any further damage to your employment.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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What?


It is called weather modification...


WHAT is? Be specific. Do you mean to include contrails (at altitudes of over 28,000 feet) as well? At altitudes where there is NO WEATHER TO MODIFY??? No clouds that form naturally (or by virtue of our technology...the passing jet airplane) can be made to produce precipitation, at those levels. They consist of ice crystals only...NO liquid water.

Weather occurs lower, in the lower troposphere. I am not making this up, it is basic meteorology....


They conveniently overlooked the safety of the chemicals being dumped on us to save the environment.


What chemicals?? Be specific, again. Types and quantities. Figure in the dilution factor, so you must calculate parts per million of concentration.

Got it?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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I just think their are so many projects we dont know about, that Governments are involved in,that to come to a conclusion,that THERE isnt SOMETHING going on is beyond stupidity.Yes,to believe that any Government will not lie to their people,for the sake of some ideology or self preservation,IS IGNORANCE AT ITS FINEST. If one day,things are revealed,and we come to find out that our skys were littered with substances,those who professed to believe and preach,that it wasnt, will have to eat their crow.

Deny Ignorance.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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I envision decisions like this being made at Davos and Bilderberg. After deciding to experiment with their weather modification programs, they get to work figuring out how the programs will effect the environment and health, and they then get to work ensuring they control the industries which stand to profit by those effects.

I don't think TPTB are all that creative, and much less omnipotent than they would like us to believe. Their only game plan seems to be the Hegelian Dialectic; I notice it in the "health care" industry, the military industry, local and national government legislative bodies, police, etc.

I am in the IT industry, and it is a common belief that Anti-virus software makers are the ultimate root of all viruses. After 911, I can't help but see that behavior everywhere I look in so called capitalist society; if you've got a product that requires a market, it's up to you to drum up a market.

Since "Darwinism" is king, everyone is prey.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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OK....giving you a challenge.

First, though.....what I saw in your post was a bunch of vague nothing....just a "feeling" that "they" must be "doing something". Sorry, but that isn't scientific, it isn't "denying ignorance", and is not good enough.

Now, the challenge:



Video up close and personal of contrails, from the perspective I am most accustomed to seeing them from.

First, note that they ALWAYS form immediately aft of the engines. (NO, not because of "something in the fuel", we've covered that many times, here). You are seeing nothing but H2O...frozen H2O, in tiny ice crystals that, as a whole, appear as they do, to resemble clouds. (They are, actually, the same as cirrus clouds, in make-up).

Now, the challenge: See if you can estimate (assuming, here, that we play "Devil's Advocate", and imagine what you see emanating from behind the engines is being intentionally "sprayed" in some way)....estimate the sizes of those contrails, and thus the volume. Then, explain just how sufficient masses and quantities can possibly be lofted by passenger airliners, day in and day out, all over the world?

Good luck.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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You still don't understand???

Do you drive a motor vehicle??:


You've undoubtedly rationalized your role in the poisoning of the planet...


DO you? Does it burn gasoline/petrol/diesel?

If it does, then are you aware that YOU are "poisoning the planet"?? Do you not realize that, in comparison to the few thousands of jets in the world, how MANY tens of millions cars, trucks, motorcycles etc exist??

Get some perspective....what you see, discharging from jet turbine engines, is exhaust from the burning of fossil fuels. This includes some of the same detrimental substances as come out of your automobile's exhaust too. ALSO, water vapor. Lots of it. Hydrogen, Oxygen. They break down, in combustion, as they are component elements IN the fuels....(Oxygen, of course, from the air) then they recombine, as they are prone to do, to make the water. In vapor form, because it is molecular in size, until it condenses out of vapor state, into a liquid state.

This is basic, basic High School Science, folks!!
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Oh we understand, all right...that you think the jet exhaust is nothing in comparison...fine.

Weather modification does NOT mean creating rain, how hard is it for you to think clearly about this ?

The dam sun is not getting through these "Contrails" nearly as much as it would if they were not there..

When a dam jet causes trails to blot out the sun, it has SEVERELY affected the entire climate, the mood, everything.

Instant 5 degree drops in temperature because a Jet flew by is indeed "Weather Modification".



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Fair enough. I'm contributing too, hence our steps to contribute as little as possible, but I'm not visibly blocking out the sun. Metaphorically, sure...



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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OK....giving you a challenge.

First, though.....what I saw in your post was a bunch of vague nothing....just a "feeling" that "they" must be "doing something". Sorry, but that isn't scientific, it isn't "denying ignorance", and is not good enough.

Now, the challenge:



Video up close and personal of contrails, from the perspective I am most accustomed to seeing them from.

First, note that they ALWAYS form immediately aft of the engines. (NO, not because of "something in the fuel", we've covered that many times, here). You are seeing nothing but H2O...frozen H2O, in tiny ice crystals that, as a whole, appear as they do, to resemble clouds. (They are, actually, the same as cirrus clouds, in make-up).

Now, the challenge: See if you can estimate (assuming, here, that we play "Devil's Advocate", and imagine what you see emanating from behind the engines is being intentionally "sprayed" in some way)....estimate the sizes of those contrails, and thus the volume. Then, explain just how sufficient masses and quantities can possibly be lofted by passenger airliners, day in and day out, all over the world?

Good luck.



I dont think what I said was vague. IS the government involved with secrets that you DONT KNOW ABOUT?? YES OR NO??? We know that answer. Heres a scenario:How bout ALL those pilots that claim they see UFO's? Are they all crazy ? There is NO proof of UFO's either. Just a bunch of pilots seeing lights,with no proof. No facts,just hearsay. We both know that their are things happening,we have NO answers for.

You claim "factually" that their is nothing being sprayed in our skys,because you are a pilot,and YOU know. Sorry,but I will deny Ignorance,with what you are saying. Because you dont have ALL the answers. Your argument might be valid,but so are the Pilots who have seen UFO's,without having proof that they exist.

Deny Ignorance.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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i know what a friggin airplaine looks like bro...this wasnt an airplane...no airplane we have even has the ability to do maneuvers like this thing did... not even an f 35 would be able to move like this did ....yes it looked just like a rocket thats why i thought we were being bombed until i took my binoculars and looked up at it staying in the same area in the sky just twisting around here and there and spraying out to streams of smoke....its some type of drone i think....this was 2 summers ago in beautiful sunny weather....none of this matters anyway because the government has already come out with it....its called chaff...theres no need for all this speculation...its already a proven fact what the government is doing or should i say what the military is doing



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