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Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by kinda kurious
Oh. OK. I think I get it now, it is becoming clear. All I need to do is say I am a Christian and everyone just accepts that as truth. All he said was, "My Christian faith then has been a sustaining force for me over these last few years." and you take that as proof that Obama is a die hard Bible thumping Bible quote throwing Christian?
I highly doubt this constitutes proof.
Originally posted by alienreality
Judge a man by his actions, and not by his words....
Using this method is much more accurate than simply believing whatever obama says...
His actions and words normally indicate that he is NOT Christian..
He has openly mocked the bible. Shredded the constitution and bill of rights... Something a real Christian would never consider..
Obama is the personification of the OPPOSITE of Christian...
He is only saying he is Christian now because of the seemingly near next election..
I'll bet you are not a Christian, otherwise you would definitely know that obama is definitely not a Christian..
What's even funnier is that Obama constantly tries to convince people he is Christian, but can't, because his actions keep regressing that effort back to the scrap heap of propaganda.
He may be be a Muslim, I have seen evidence to suggest he is, (his own admission on many occasions)
But he certainly not a Christian..edit on 3-2-2011 by alienreality because: eta
Originally posted by sezsue[/i
I'm really amazed by this, he left no room for doubt. He didn't just say it, he elaborated on it.
It wasn't just, I'm a Christian.
And, he is apparently a supporter of war and killing, because not only did he not fulfill his promise to bring the troops home, but I believe he upped the troop levels in Afghanistan, and upped bombings by drones in Pakistan,
And not only did he not close Guantanamo Bay as he said he would, but he supports torture, and I think he recently said it would be ok to submit American' to rendition, torture, indefinite incarceration and possible killings.
Yeah, that sounds like a true follower of Jesus Christ.
edit on 3-2-2011 by sezsue because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GrisGris
*sigh* yes. Im aware of the law. My bad, I got it backwards. I should have checked before posting.
Though, at least I knew there was a distinction, legally, between setting said versus written. Which is more than you.
But you are right, you are clearly unaware of the law in this matter! Thanks for noticing.
Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).[1]
libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for "general damages" for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called "special damages." "Libel per se" involves statements so vicious that malice is assumed and does not require a proof of intent to get an award of general damages. Libel against the reputation of a person who has died will allow surviving members of the family to bring an action for damages. Most states provide for a party defamed by a periodical to demand a published retraction. If the correction is made, then there is no right to file a lawsuit. Governmental bodies are supposedly immune for actions for libel on the basis that there could be no intent by a non-personal entity, and further, public records are exempt from claims of libel. However, there is at least one known case in which there was a financial settlement as well as a published correction when a state government newsletter incorrectly stated that a dentist had been disciplined for illegal conduct. The rules covering libel against a "public figure" (particularly a political or governmental person) are special, based on U. S. Supreme Court decisions. The key is that to uphold the right to express opinions or fair comment on public figures, the libel must be malicious to constitute grounds for a lawsuit for damages. Minor errors in reporting are not libel, such as saying Mrs. Jones was 55 when she was only 48, or getting an address or title incorrect. 2) v. to broadcast or publish a written defamatory statement.
Originally posted by alienreality
Judge a man by his actions, and not by his words....
Using this method is much more accurate than simply believing whatever obama says...
His actions and words normally indicate that he is NOT Christian..
He has openly mocked the bible. Shredded the constitution and bill of rights... Something a real Christian would never consider..
Obama is the personification of the OPPOSITE of Christian...
He is only saying he is Christian now because of the seemingly near next election..
I'll bet you are not a Christian, otherwise you would definitely know that obama is definitely not a Christian..
What's even funnier is that Obama constantly tries to convince people he is Christian, but can't, because his actions keep regressing that effort back to the scrap heap of propaganda.
He may be be a Muslim, I have seen evidence to suggest he is, (his own admission on many occasions)
But he certainly not a Christian..edit on 3-2-2011 by alienreality because: eta
Originally posted by bobs_uruncle
Originally posted by GrisGris
*sigh* yes. Im aware of the law. My bad, I got it backwards. I should have checked before posting.
Though, at least I knew there was a distinction, legally, between setting said versus written. Which is more than you.
But you are right, you are clearly unaware of the law in this matter! Thanks for noticing.
Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).[1]
Here, I will give you a quick little quote on libel, rather than defamation which wasn't mentioned.
Legal Dictionary - Libel
libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for "general damages" for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called "special damages." "Libel per se" involves statements so vicious that malice is assumed and does not require a proof of intent to get an award of general damages. Libel against the reputation of a person who has died will allow surviving members of the family to bring an action for damages. Most states provide for a party defamed by a periodical to demand a published retraction. If the correction is made, then there is no right to file a lawsuit. Governmental bodies are supposedly immune for actions for libel on the basis that there could be no intent by a non-personal entity, and further, public records are exempt from claims of libel. However, there is at least one known case in which there was a financial settlement as well as a published correction when a state government newsletter incorrectly stated that a dentist had been disciplined for illegal conduct. The rules covering libel against a "public figure" (particularly a political or governmental person) are special, based on U. S. Supreme Court decisions. The key is that to uphold the right to express opinions or fair comment on public figures, the libel must be malicious to constitute grounds for a lawsuit for damages. Minor errors in reporting are not libel, such as saying Mrs. Jones was 55 when she was only 48, or getting an address or title incorrect. 2) v. to broadcast or publish a written defamatory statement.
Saying that the Obamanator proscribes to the Muslim faith is not malicious in and of itself, unless of course, you consider being Muslim to be patently evil, which I and most others do not. In any event, branding a group in that manner would be stereotyping and considered racist and therefore would apparently be some kind of ridiculous hate crime. Libel tends to follow once vile or malicious statements are made in public media that would generally limit a person or a corporation from making a living or doing business and that is why it falls under criminal law, the removal of some entities rights based on malicious intent.
So there you have it, now go get your @ss kicking pillow and have some fun with it ;-) Thanks for playing!
Cheers - Dave
Originally posted by kinda kurious
Originally posted by alienreality
He has openly mocked the bible. Shredded the constitution and bill of rights... Something a real Christian would never consider..
Wow, I was not aware of those claims. Is that purely your own opinion or can you provide elucidation? A link or two would suffice. Thanks.
Originally posted by David9176
I could give a rats ass either way.
As long as he isn't sacrificing goats on the White House lawn...
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by kinda kurious
Dunno what in the nine hells you are talking about.
I also do not see how personal jabs relate to the topic at all.
So simce you obviously have a hard-on for me, I will not be visiting this thread anymore.
Good day and good luck.
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Originally posted by Dumbass
Yeah don't slam Obama because he is a Muslim, slam him because he is Christian.
Originally posted by apodictic
wait wait one more!!!!
Has this thread been debunked yet???