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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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Why do people insist on trying to bury the past? Does it not fit your agenda and rhetoric? Damaging to the image of pristine country that is being "invaded" by the dirty "illegals"?


And thanks for clearing up the justification for killing off millions of Native Americans...since apparently they were killing each other before...it was fine to kill them off in even larger numbers. Gotcha...solid logic there.


BTW...aren't American citizens also currently killing each other? So I guess by your logic, it is fine for "illegals" to come here and also kill Americans...you know...because it is already happening



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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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First I'd like to say of My Old Home Land, If You Cross The Chinese Border ILLEGALLY You May Never Be Heard From Again And Be Known As An Organ Donor.

If You cross the Mexican Border Illegally, you will end up in a Mexican Federal Jail for a very long stay that is Not very nice! I hear You don't want to end up in a Mexican Jail!!!!!
This Has To Stop!
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET:
1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON ,
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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Maybe if the CIA was not subversively exploiting Mexico down to the last drop of blood people would stop moving from that hell hole to the U.S. There is a reason that rampant crime covers most of Mexico, and that reason is a Spanish American rape fest that has gone on for the last couple of centuries.

MS-13 is like the the Contra's they are good for buisness, so is keeping everyone in the states in fear of Mexican crime. Gives them a even better reason to seize people's rights, and arm their police force with gear to subdue the population when they protest.

Every action has a reaction.

Mexican illegal immigration into the U.S will stop when the U.S corporations stop raping Mexico.

Where else are "American" companies going to get their slave labor anyways?

The boat full of people from South Asia only comes once a month.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by jam321
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I ask you, why hasn't the social security card been made tamper proof seeing that we have so much technology?
I ask you, why haven't politicians enforce the fines on businesses?
Democrats are always blamed for being soft on illegals, but I ask why didn't the Republicans take care of this issue when they had control of Congress?
I ask you why haven't politicians required at least one parent to be a legal citizen in order to get government benefits similar to what is called for on the US income tax?
I ask you why isn't every business obligated to use the E-Verify program the government has?
I ask you why the US visa system still allows people to overstay their visas?




I can tell you why. It's because our society is disgustingly politically correct which i feel is a form of racism but not the type against ethnic minorities.
Another reason is that the politicians and government would be labeled racist.
The word Racist doesn't mean what it used to anymore. People throw that term around too loosely nowadays. Always playing the race card *shakes head*



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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First I'd like to say of My Old Home Land, If You Cross The Chinese Border ILLEGALLY You May Never Be Heard From Again And Be Known As An Organ Donor.

If You cross the Mexican Border Illegally, you will end up in a Mexican Federal Jail for a very long stay


Are you saying we should model our laws after China and Mexico?

Should they be our role models that we look up to?


Or MAYBE...just maybe...we should set an example on how HUMANS should be treated and not treat them like animals or a lower class of human just because of the geographical location they were born in.

Land of the free...American Dream...."Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses"...something along those lines.

It's just a thought.
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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
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Your list seems a little low...I think you are missing some.

Well not some...more like millions...millions of Native Americans that were killed by "illegal immigrants" around 500-200 years ago.


How ironic that it is the "illegals" of today that share the same ancestory to those that were massacred so long ago...still to this very day...their ancestral lands are not free for them to roam...and they are called "illegal" on land that was stolen from their ancestors.

How very sad.
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You know what the difference is don't you? Ops talking about what's happening right now to people who are alive.
No we shouldn't forget the past. But that was a way different conglamoration of people.. There are millions of people here now who had nothing to do with the way this country was founded. You need to focus on the very same bloodlines that were responsible for all of then. Cause it's the same ones now. They are called the wicked
in the Bible. They set social policies and everything in between. They are the scurge of mankind. But we can't get to them can we.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:16 AM
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Why would they be labeled racist? Illegals come from every country and in all colors.

Politicians don't want to mess with it because illegals make good scapegoats. Instead of blaming politicians for bad economic times, people will blame the illegals for stealing jobs.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:20 AM
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By your logic two wrongs make a right and we all would also be illegal immigrants because, according to many here at ATS, we came from Africa.

I was in no way justifying anything. Every race or ethnicity is guilty of killing another people. There is actually a thread going now about something similar why don't you use your superior logic in this thread... www.abovetopsecret.com...

Btw, you really "put me in my place"



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
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First I'd like to say of My Old Home Land, If You Cross The Chinese Border ILLEGALLY You May Never Be Heard From Again And Be Known As An Organ Donor.

If You cross the Mexican Border Illegally, you will end up in a Mexican Federal Jail for a very long stay


Are you saying we should model our laws after China and Mexico?

Should they be our role models that we look up to?


Or MAYBE...just maybe...we should set an example on how HUMANS should be treated and not treat them like animals or a lower class of human just because of the geographical location they were born in.

It's just a thought.


No, Actually anyone with out an open borders agenda and a sanctuary cities agenda could read that I was Stating, very strongly, Americas gives them to much, to easily.
If you want respect, then earn it and be responsible and learn the language and culture of the peoples you plan to live with and around.
ILLEGALS do not respect you, me or anyone, they drive with out D/Lic. or Insurance for their vehicles, What happens when your family member is Killed by an illegal that flees the seen? You have this Large Hole in your Heart and you miss your loved one for ever and ever, you can't sleep or eat, you know, If the laws of our land had been obeyed and enforced, this would not have happened and your family member would be with you today.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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You know what the difference is don't you? Ops talking about what's happening right now to people who are alive.
No we shouldn't forget the past. But that was a way different conglamoration of people.. There are millions of people here now who had nothing to do with the way this country was founded.


And there are many "illegal" immigrants here that have absolutely nothing to do with other "illegal" immigrants that have killed people.

The OP is focusing on the fact that they are "illegal" in order to push their agenda of a crusade against "illegals". They are using the deaths of American citizens as political fodder for their own cause. Let's attempt to demonize thousands of hard working, innocent people that are trying to provide a better life for their families by trying to lump them together with murderers.

How about we just call these individuals that have killed people murderers and leave it at that. How about we don't try to spread fear and propaganda about ALL immigrants becasue of the actions of individuals who are murderers.



And as long as we are on the topic of people that had "nothing to do" with past actions of their ancestors...I guess that means that me and you can agree that the children of "illegals" shouldn't be punished for the actions of their parents....RIGHT????



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:29 AM
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By your logic two wrongs make a right and we all would also be illegal immigrants because, according to many here at ATS, we came from Africa.


Or, no one is "illegal" due to the fact of crossing an imaginary line, and we could stop labeling each other based on the completly random geographical location of our birth.

Seriously...sometimes I feel like we are all playing a kids game...."You can't cross this line or you lose....but if you pay me money...you can cross."



I was in no way justifying anything. Every race or ethnicity is guilty of killing another people. There is actually a thread going now about something similar why don't you use your superior logic in this thread


Yes...I agree...everyone is killing everyone...doesn't make it right in any case. I wasn't the one that used the justification of the massacre of the Native Americans by stating they were already killing themselves...that was YOU. And yes...it was an attempt at a justification.

I'll just ignore the Ad Hom and take it as a compliment



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Blaming members of a group for an individuals action may make you feel better...it may give you an outlet to direct your anger towards...but it will never bring back your loved one.

"illegals" didn't kill a loved one...an individual person did. That person alone is responsible for the action...not any group they belonged to.

Would it make anyone feel better if their loved one was killed by an American citizen rather than an "illegal"??? If so...that is kind of twisted.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
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And as long as we are on the topic of people that had "nothing to do" with past actions of their ancestors...I guess that means that me and you can agree that the children of "illegals" shouldn't be punished for the actions of their parents....RIGHT????


I %100 agree with the above. The government is working on that issue. The illegals know that their children born here are "legals" so in essence they are taking advantage of the system




Land of the free...American Dream...."Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses"...something along those lines.




Im pretty sure that implies to people that come here legally and prefer to assimilate into America.




How about we just call these individuals that have killed people murderers and leave it at that. How about we don't try to spread fear and propaganda about ALL immigrants becasue of the actions of individuals who are murderers.



I wholeheartedly agree.


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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:36 AM
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You may feel differently if you had 30 million illegal immigrants sneak into Wales. It is not just fruit picking and dish washing jobs that are taken away from citizens. The burden on the legitimate Welsh taxpayer would increase greatly because of the many who take from the system, who use everything available to them - without pitching in for the cost of programs, roads, health care, etcetera.

You might feel differently if you regularly read of rapes and murders going unpunished because of easy criminal flight. I wonder how you would feel about seeing town after town in area upon area becoming infested with unemployed that hang out on the streets day after day.

Countries have Immigration & Naturalization departments and procedures for good reasons. I think if your government ignored the epidemic of illegals that the clowns of Washington DC has and allowed the deterioration that follows to take place in Wales, your opinion would be a different one.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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well to rebuttal you post , there is more being done to stop drunk drivers than there is illegals, did you know more is spent on that now , there is a plan to in stall a chip in all new cars that will smell you, if you smell like booze then you car will not start, now as far as the borders go well let see there is ....nothing being done, why do you think AZ is going it alone.
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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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i would like to know what would happen to gringos that went south and crossed the border ??? what would the Mexican feds do to them ??? think about that. no pass port, no id, and no home, no job, just went, then what??? And did not speak the language????
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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by bekod
i would like to know what would happen to gringos that went south and crossed the border ??? what would the Mexican feds do to them ??? think about that.


And yet another person that wants to look to Mexico for guidance about immigration legislation. Why does this come up so much during these discussions?

Do you really think we should look to Mexico as our role model? Look to them as a guide on how to run our country?

If you don't...then what exactly is the point of your post?



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:45 AM
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they drive with out D/Lic. or Insurance for their vehicles,


And so do many Americans. I have two brothers and many relatives(Americans) who are doing it right now because they can't afford it. Their odds of killing somebody is just as good as an illegal doing it.


Insurance studies show that the recession economy has pushed projections of uninsured motorists to 16 percent in 2010.


news.yahoo.com...



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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Well, one Gringo became a high ranking cartel member.

His name is La Barbie.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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do you know what would happen?? i know what would happen but do you? and i am being serious.





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