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Clark C. McClelland What STS mission?

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by JimOberg
An example where inadequate reading/research skills has infected -- and polluted -- even the most 'authoritative' UFO data bases ('pilot cases') is discussed here:

1965 multiple pilots sighting -- can it be explained?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I don't want to get too off-topic for dalek's thread about Clark C McClelland, but you may (or may not...) be interested in an item I wrote about "credible witnesses" (including pilot cases). I'll send you a quick U2U with a link.

All the best,

Isaac




posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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Clark C. McClelland himself makes no bones about his financial plight that was caused in main by the fact that NASA threw him to the dogs after all his many years as a loyal and dedicated employee with many credits to his record. If he says a meeting between crew members of a shuttle and an alien took place and filmed whilst the craft was in orbit around Earth, as far as I'm concerned what he says is without a doubt,100% true! He is a man for whom honour will by far always supercede wealth, and no matter how tough a time he's having just trying to keep a roof over his head, this is how things will always stand with him. Clark C. McClelland in my mind is one of the greatest minds NASA has ever had in its employ, if not the greatest! I have no more to say on the subject, except my suggestion that anyone interested in just how low NASA can go, log onto Mr. McClelland's website and take it from there.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Bkrmn
Clark C. McClelland in my mind is one of the greatest minds NASA has ever had in its employ, if not the greatest!


That comment, and a few of the other statements in your post, are a bit startling.

Have you previously given the factual basis for those comments? If so, could you post a link to the relevant post/website or a reference to any relevant article/book?

All the best,

Isaac



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Thank you for your answer and hospitality



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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wait.... i saw that video...here on ats about 6-8 months ago.....not 9 feet tall....only 8 feet, maybe 7" 10"
the view was actual looking, the camera view was from 5 o'clock from the bay, and two regular astronauts were being helped by the tall one, that depiction on the other website was not quite right, the two regulars were obstructing the view of the tall one just slightly. his helmet was different and bigger in all dimensions. and he somehow looked friendly and familiar to the U. S. astronauts. it was a strange sight and did not look cgi....he was taller by just less than two feet and behind the other two. here on ats i do believe

the title was 8 foot in the bay of the shuttle or so. i remember the color of his suit was slightly off white compared to the us astronauts
edit on 5-2-2011 by GBP/JPY because: color of his suit

edit on 5-2-2011 by GBP/JPY because: how to spell

one more thing to add....they were so close they were touching each other
edit on 5-2-2011 by GBP/JPY because: proximity



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by GBP/JPY
wait.... i saw that video...here on ats about 6-8 months ago.....


This is an extraordinary claim that knocked my socks off when I read it.

May I politely ask for a link to the video?



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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did you post any comment on that thread? if so the thread will be in your profile.
i am assuming you mean the camera location was starboard aft of the payload bay?
are you quite positive of the friendly aspect of this character?
regards f



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by GBP/JPY
 


did you post any comment on that thread? if so the thread will be in your profile.


Hi Fakedirt,

You can see the threads in which GBP/JPY has posted by looking at GBP/JPY's profile yourself.

Generally, you can do this by clicking on the automatic link on the ATS miniprofile, but this does not seem to be working for GBP/JPY (presumably because of the "/" in the middle - which also stops me posting a clickable link below), but you can use the one below (replacing the "/" as indicated) to get you to the list of threads in which GBP/JPY has posted (which may or may not include any relevant thread seen by GBP/JPY):
abovetopsecret.com/forum/profile.php?member=GBP [replace with /] JPY&display=posts

I've done a couple of very quick and dirty searches for thread title including "shuttle", "STS" etc within that list of threads and the only one that popped up as potentially relevant was:
Federation Galaxy Class Cruiser Spotted by Shuttle

The video at the start of that thread is no longer available at its original location, but seems to be the same one as at the link below:


That clearly isn't the video that GBP/JPY mentions recalling...

Guess we'll have to wait and see if GBP/JPY says anything more.

GBP/JPY - Were you joking ? If not, can you provide any further details or a link?

All the best,

Isaac
edit on 6-2-2011 by IsaacKoi because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 08:30 AM
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i have a confession to make, i already did as soon as the statement came on the thread.
it could be the case that the member did not comment and i patiently await a response on this.
regards f



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by GBP/JPY
wait.... i saw that video...here on ats about 6-8 months ago.....not 9 feet tall....only 8 feet, maybe 7" 10"
the view was actual looking, the camera view was from 5 o'clock from the bay, and two regular astronauts were being helped by the tall one, that depiction on the other website was not quite right, the two regulars were obstructing the view of the tall one just slightly. his helmet was different and bigger in all dimensions. and he somehow looked friendly and familiar to the U. S. astronauts. it was a strange sight and did not look cgi....he was taller by just less than two feet and behind the other two. here on ats i do believe

the title was 8 foot in the bay of the shuttle or so. i remember the color of his suit was slightly off white compared to the us astronauts
edit on 5-2-2011 by GBP/JPY because: color of his suit

edit on 5-2-2011 by GBP/JPY because: how to spell

one more thing to add....they were so close they were touching each other
edit on 5-2-2011 by GBP/JPY because: proximity



OK I'll Bite.

Using your title description above "8 foot in the bay of the shuttle", the link below is the ATS THREAD I located.

ATS THREAD - Another NASA employee comes forward - 8-9 Foot Alien Sighted

It is 37 Pages Long. Looking for said video now.

I honestly have my fingers cross as I would love to be proven wrong.

t



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by EyeHeartBigfoot
Using your title description above "8 foot in the bay of the shuttle", the link below is the ATS THREAD I located.

ATS THREAD - Another NASA employee comes forward - 8-9 Foot Alien Sighted

It is 37 Pages Long. Looking for said video now.


Just to save you a bit of work, I thought I'd let you know that you will not find that video in that thread (on any of the 37 pages).

I read all 37 pages a day or two ago - I'm sure I would have noticed the video if it was in that thread...

Hope this post saves you a bit of effort,

Isaac



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by fakedirt
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agreed.
we have lost many important assets on this site when accusations are thrown around of being agents etc imo.
after years of reading crap from trolls and the like. i guess one is guarded to the possibility of being in the presence of. i am accusing no-one in particular of this but i feel it is a factor in members mindsets.
regards f



OK, as always. I was left wanting, AGAIN

In regards to comments as above...

While I do not condone attacks for the sake of differing opinions, most claims need to be fact checked.

What better way to shut us up than to face us with the evidence he continually claimed he could present? Yes, there would still be the eternal skeptics but most here on ATS are looking for answers.

As for his financial situation, just look at Ted "Golden Voice" Williams. From Homeless to Bank. If you can prove you have something that is of valuable and/or interesting, release it, as your losing money by not revealing the secret information to the world ASA F-Bombing P. The going rate on the talk show circuit is $7500 to $16000. Multiply that by the many different shows and...PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

OH, But TPTB... If They Can Make a Profit Whoring Someone Out, Take ONE Wild Guess.

If you come to the masses stating that you will present data, God Damn You if you don't for whatever reason!

This Trivial, Petty, Mickey Mouse BS of someone claiming to have evidence that will change the world but, then say, "...oh sorry, I do not want one or two people to suffer because I revealed the truth but believe me anyway...And Oh By The Way Can You Spare A Buck?".
Always ALWAYS Be Suspect Of These People...They Have Ulterior Motives...GUARANTEED

WHAT IF...A newcomer/ATS Visitor that could provide the real hard data/facts/evidence that we all so desire wanted to reveal ALL, only to be turned-off that said person/group sees ATS Members attempting to validate possibly nefariously motivated people such as CCM?

Do We Really Want To Miss The Glorious Sun Rising Because Of Our Fear Of The Dark?

I am only looking for the truth...seekers ask questions...deal

Ein Danaergeschenk

Regards,

t
edit on 2/6/2011 by EyeHeartBigfoot because: clarification



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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i emailed ccm in the hope he would answer and expand on his testimony. as of yet no reply.
if he is indeed broke and blackballed it would be of benefit to him to reach out to as many
people as he could. i am sure those with great interest after hearing his responses would take
his financial situation into consideration and possibly present a small donation.
you would agree we are both looking and searching we just approach it from different perspectives
i for one would jump at the chance of having a conversation with ccm to hear what he has to say.
regards f



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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You Had Me Worried There My Friend.

I apologize, I must have misunderstood your posts to be that you believe CCM story without substance.

Yes, I too would enjoy hearing CCM tell it directly and would even consider your proposed small donation if he came across honest, sincere, caring and truthful. Nothing more than I would ask any speaker who would request/demand my attention.

stay au courant,

Regards,

t



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Why are people trying to ask McClelland about the supposed video when he had identified tghe shuttle mission -- STS-44 -- and astronaut Story Musgrave. Wouldn't it make sense to ask Musgrave and the other crewmen on that mission? Wouldn't it make sense to see if anybody has already asked them and posted the results?



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Bkrmn
Clark C. McClelland himself makes no bones about his financial plight that was caused in main by the fact that NASA threw him to the dogs after all his many years as a loyal and dedicated employee with many credits to his record. If he says a meeting between crew members of a shuttle and an alien took place and filmed whilst the craft was in orbit around Earth, as far as I'm concerned what he says is without a doubt,100% true! He is a man for whom honour will by far always supercede wealth, and no matter how tough a time he's having just trying to keep a roof over his head, this is how things will always stand with him. Clark C. McClelland in my mind is one of the greatest minds NASA has ever had in its employ, if not the greatest! I have no more to say on the subject, except my suggestion that anyone interested in just how low NASA can go, log onto Mr. McClelland's website and take it from there.


Is this posted by Clark McClelland himself?

Here's a well-respected UFO expert's divergent opinion:



: Stan Friedman
To:
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:54:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #16 -- 2003

I knew Clark McClelland years ago. Within the last few years I
did some detailed checking on his claimed background, because he
had claimed that von Braun had told him he knew all about
Roswell. While von Braun may well have known about Roswell (he
was stationed at Fort Bliss in 1947 and working at White Sands),
I found no reason to believe Clark's comments. He had
substantially "enhanced" his background in both Pittsburgh and
Florida! This has, of course, happened with regard to Bob Lazar,
William Spaulding, Michael Wolf Kruvant, someone who almost
became the football coach at Notre Dame, etc, ad nauseum.. I
would place these quotes in my gray basket, at best, unless
somebody can find better sources than McClelland.


Stan Friedman



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Here's details about McClelland's terminal troubles...



Ex-NASA Worker Says Space Agency Knows About UFOs
By: Michael Lindemann
From CNI News: July 1999

[snip]

By 1990, he worked directly for the space agency in the shuttle program.
He was then training to become a Spacecraft Operator (ScO), meaning he would have hands-on responsibility for space shuttle maintenance and ground operations. His trainer was shuttle ScO senior specialist Dennis Bestwick.
"I'm not at liberty to say a lot" about McClelland's dismissal, Bestwick told CNI News. "His work was fine, but something in his security check didn't quite check out. Nothing illegal, but something about the dates didn't match. You need a secret clearance," he said. It could have been as simple as a clerical error in McClelland's records, Bestwick conceded.
But whatever it was, McClelland lost his clearance and was subsequently dismissed from the shuttle program.
Bestwick seemed sorry to see McClelland go. "Clark was well liked. He had an outgoing personality. He's a little bit eccentric, but he's knowledgeable about a lot of things. He was willing to learn anything we threw at him," Bestwick said.


Now look at this link and read the supposed 'business card' McClelland hands out.

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Notice it SAYS 'Kennedy Space Center', but the address is a post office box in Orlando, Florida. That is NOT the location of the space center, it's the city where McClelland lives.

And note that while the man in charge of training him for the Sc.O program, Bestwick, says he was dropped from the program before ever qualifiying, Yet McClelland continues to present himself as a certified 'Sc.O' expert.

Does this bother anybody?






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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Jim, you are very well versed, respected and have discredited this guy many times. I am certain it must be frustrating to have to continually repeat yourself and attempt to sway the uninitiated away from such charlatans.

...you know as well as I, that people are going to believe what they want to believe...evidence be damned--SIGH!!!

You and I also know that such charlatans would never knowingly engage in direct dialogue with knowledgeable researchers in fear of being exposed.

Slight of hand and cryptic tongues are tricks of the trade...But Never Forget: they can work both ways.

Jim, you have my utmost respect but at this point I would rather throw my hand than be misunderstood.


Warmest Regards,

t



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 04:59 AM
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i would be slightly disappointed if there was no merit to this story whatsover. life will go on!
the further evidence supplied by jim adds weight to a dubious claim. i myself wanted only
two questions answered if indeed ccm's story had any merit. the answers would have satisfied me in the area of
weaponisation of space and would have tied up any loose ends for me in that respect.

jim.
you have good standing and respect on this board. i will certainly follow up your suggestion on other avenues of enquiry because i feel there is still something about this however dubious ccm's claims are.

you two guys make quite a shake down team!

regards f



posted on Feb, 7 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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Point is, doesn't matter what side you are on, at least half the people at simply stupid and you can't tell them any different. Until they see an obvious ET craft or their occupants, you'll never convince them that Jesus never existed.


Man, you got that right. A few months ago we had a night sighting right here in Southern Ohio. There were about six or seven of us watching, I saw an old lady from down the street on her porch, watching the craft as it flew back and forth, at one point it seemed to be clearly defined. Next day I an talking to the neighbors about it, and the old lady came out to check her mail, so I walked over and asked what did she think of the UFO last night? "I don't know what you are talking about, she spat out, you are crazy, and you need Jesus in your heart!" So, the sad fact is, some can even see it and still be in denial. As for Jesus, I have done more that a few posts on that subject, and you will never convince a Bible thumper of anything either.



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