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Beck's "A Small World"

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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Ah but it's not the government either, at least not the one whose face we see The government is merely under their control.




posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.


Not the case...last I checked the land isn't all used for public purposes, and people still own houses/land.



2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.


Like most of the world is using because it makes sense




5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.


Not the case, we have private banks




6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.


Not the case, we have private companies...



10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form.


Trust me, if you look at the world wide education levels...the US needs to man up and requires good available education for everyone. Not everyone can afford the insane rates of private schools. As for child labor...I think abolishing it is a good thing, but maybe you want to turn the US into China


No one's saying communism is a good thing, but claiming it's happening here in corporatist/capitalist USA is beyond laughable



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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What's bad about centrally planned interest rates?

Well, what's bad about centrally planned agriculture?

What's bad about centrally planned automotive production?

It doesn't matter when or how long ago they did something, only that they have a clear tendency to do those things.

If you don't understand why a debt based fiat currency that is manipulated by centrally planned interest rates is the primary cause of our current economic chaos, then I can see why you are totally confused about Beck's stance on politics.



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


What's bad about centrally planned interest rates?

Well, what's bad about centrally planned agriculture?

What's bad about centrally planned automotive production?

It doesn't matter when or how long ago they did something, only that they have a clear tendency to do those things.

If you don't understand why a debt based fiat currency that is manipulated by centrally planned interest rates is the primary cause of our current economic chaos, then I can see why you are totally confused about Beck's stance on politics.



No one's saying the FED didn't make mistakes when it comes to the interest rate...but I really hope you see the difference between an industry that funds all others, and agriculture/transportation/etc.


If the latest financial crisis showed us anything, it's that deregulation is horrible since the monkeys on WS can't regulate themselves as they proved multiple times in recent years...



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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Regulation is what caused the chaos.

It looks like you are confused.

Regulations created the Fed

Regulations created the bailouts

Regulations created the manipulated interest rates

Regulations prevent competition in money

Without regulations, we would still be on a gold standard, interest rates would not be manipulated, there would be no inflation, and people would be working.



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ




For crying out loud, someone please offer him a job on Comedy Central where he belongs...he could make an awesome show together with Colbert, it would be epic. He's always been crazy, but he's really losing it as of late, just randomly throwing around "communists, marxists, Hitler, Weimar republic" whenever he feels like it when discussing stuff that has nothing to do with it. It's almost as if he's living during the Cold War in his mind, while the rest of us are trying to cope with the 21st century...someone snap him out of it!

You know you've officially gone crazy if even O'Reilly disagrees with your lunatic Marxist-Communist theories




Communists??? WTF are you talking about, in which century do you live???

It would be even funnier if everyone would realize it's comedy, and NOT based on reality...it's like Disneyland's "A small world".
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What the F did I just watch? This dude obviously knows nothing about the Middle East.

But then, neither does his target audience. And they don't have much by way of attention spans, either, so he's making good use of clickphrases and logic jumps here.

This could be a study in media propaganda techniques. Disseminate ignorance to the ignorant by exploiting their mayfly attention spans.



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Thank you for explaining why the Libertarian Party is still out in the wilderness, talking to itself. I suggest you actually put some study into the topic of deregulation, rather than simply accepting that it's the ultimate panacaea to all the world's ills.

Gold standard, heh. That's funny. Explain to me, how can gold be used as a standard in a global economy when the world population is fast approaching 8 billion? Exactly how many gold atoms is a dollar worth? Seven?



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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I would doubt most of the people in america has researched much of anything outside there own country like most around the world. Thats how propaganda works, like all the american news stations.



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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Thank you for explaining why the Libertarian Party is still out in the wilderness, talking to itself. I suggest you actually put some study into the topic of deregulation, rather than simply accepting that it's the ultimate panacaea to all the world's ills.

Gold standard, heh. That's funny. Explain to me, how can gold be used as a standard in a global economy when the world population is fast approaching 8 billion? Exactly how many gold atoms is a dollar worth? Seven?


Exactly how many gold atoms is a dollar worth?

Right now, the market says 1 dollar is worth about 1/1350th an oz of gold.

It doesn't matter if the dollar is worth 1/1 millionth an oz of gold, because gold is fungible.

Further, currency revaluations can be accomplished without going off of the gold standard.

The banks holding the gold can simply declare a 100 dollar note (a privately issued receipt for gold) will now be redeemable for 1 oz of gold, and prices will adjust in the market near instantaneously.

Fiduciary coins are typically used to represent smaller transactions, those are usually made out of copper and silver.

Coins are real money, paper money in a gold standard is a receipt for coins, which are real money.

If person wants real money, then they have to trade in the appropriate amount of paper receipts to collect a piece of real money.

The amount of paper receipts necessary to total up to one piece of real money is arbitrary and set by the bank issuing the notes.


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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Actually it does matter. Know why?

1/1,000,000 of an ounce of gold is useless to the overwhelmingly vast majority of people engaging in commerce. If I were to take a dollar and say "gold me!" and in return I get a half-milimeter, hairs-breadth wire of gold, what good is that? if you're going to base your economy over fungibles, there are two very important things; the goods backing the currency must have value, and the amount must be worth the trouble.

Gold's value is primarily perceived; Gold is worth something because people say gold is worth something. However, that perceived worth is based primarily on the fact that gold is really pretty. And when we're looking at the tiny, tiny measurements of gold that would come from basing a global economy around it, that value disappears. And as more people are added to the trade network, that value diminishes even more, as a finite resource gets split between an increasing number of people.

Gold-based economies only work in small self-reliant nations with a reliable supply of gold and little foreign trade.

This is why the Romans based their monetary system off of salt. They made coins of silver and gold, which you then traded for measurements of salt. Thus the word "salary."
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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Your argument is logically flawed.

You are assuming that people will actually be able to redeem a dollar note for 1/1350th an oz of gold.

That is not how a gold standard works.

People must accumulate 1350 receipts first (or whatever the market price is) if they want to redeem them at the bank, which would then hand them a 1oz gold coin in return.

The main thrust though is that the bank can not issue new money without first acquiring gold from a mint or private individual.

How many total receipts it takes to represent a gold coin is totally arbitrary and can be any amount, even a millionth of an oz, if that is how the bank wants to represent its currency.

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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
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Beck is blaming the government for the problem, specifically the federal reserve.

Beck is right in that respect, and his analysis of the geo-political instability the criminal counterfeiting will provoke is also fairly accurate in terms of its consequences.



edit on 3-2-2011 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)


I agree about the FED

However, there is also a huge speculative component that appears to be driving the unrest which goes beyond the market considerations. In short someone or something is setting up the field using peoples bellies as tools.
Those people need to be discovered and tried, or they can send em to me and I will BBQ them -

You and Becks hypothesis falls short as to the specific ACTIVE origin because it does not explain why the GOVERNMENT would manufacture events that smite its own interests. It would however point to validating my stance on the chicken and the egg, that extragovernmental forces are in control of the government, not the other way around.

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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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People saying we should go back to the gold standard in today's global economy never studied economics...

It worked when there were just a few individual countries, and trade was somewhat limited. But in today's world, it would be lunatic. And what about the countries that have the highest gold reserves...like some countries in Africa? They'd be the richest nation on earth because they would be like a world bank able to print as much money as they want. Just look where gold comes from


Globalization poses challenges, but trying to solve them with ancient methods is beyond crazy!



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
People saying we should go back to the gold standard in today's global economy never studied economics...

It worked when there were just a few individual countries, and trade was somewhat limited. But in today's world, it would be lunatic. And what about the countries that have the highest gold reserves...like some countries in Africa? They'd be the richest nation on earth because they would be like a world bank able to print as much money as they want. Just look where gold comes from


Globalization poses challenges, but trying to solve them with ancient methods is beyond crazy!


People saying we should use fiat money have never studied economics.

Fake money doesn't work (as we are about to find out for ourselves).

It never has and it never will.

Dr. Block explains where real money comes from:




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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Ah yes, Bock...the same guy who wants to reintroduce "voluntary slavery"



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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The first video made me laugh, but 3 minutes in, I am actually agreeing with what Beck is saying in the second video.
I'm shocked, but he is right: the US needs to stay out of other countries' business.

ETA: I just got to the "Marxist-Communist" part of the second video.

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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
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Ah yes, Bock...the same guy who wants to reintroduce "voluntary slavery"


What's wrong with allowing someone to sell their own body?

You have a problem with that?

Besides that, you ignored the fact that fiat currencies always fail (as we are about to find out) and where money actually comes from.

Ultimately fiat currencies always fail because they require VIOLENCE to impose upon an unwilling public.

The public just doesn't know what's good for them, so it is up to statist tyrants like yourself to ensure they use a form of money that you approve of.

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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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Ah yes, Bock...the same guy who wants to reintroduce "voluntary slavery"


What's wrong with allowing someone to sell their own body?

You have a problem with that?

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The difference lies in the word "slavery". This isn't the same as someone being an escort for an hour, or someone tending your garden for 2hrs/week. You OWN this person as is implied in the world "slave"...not sure how you wanna justify this with the US motto of "freedom"



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Ultimately fiat currencies always fail because they require VIOLENCE to impose upon an unwilling public.


And there was no violence before the introduction of the current system...riiiiiiight


What a hogwash argument...



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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Ah yes, Bock...the same guy who wants to reintroduce "voluntary slavery"


What's wrong with allowing someone to sell their own body?

You have a problem with that?

edit on 3-2-2011 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)


The difference lies in the word "slavery". This isn't the same as someone being an escort for an hour, or someone tending your garden for 2hrs/week. You OWN this person as is implied in the world "slave"...not sure how you wanna justify this with the US motto of "freedom"




So if I want to sell myself into bondage voluntarily, someone like yourself should arrest me by using violence and imprison me?



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