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UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by PhotonEffect
reply to post by ExCloud
 


Thanks for the examples... and I get it. One of my favorites was the beached whale cartoons....But were the copied/remixed versions released a day or two after the original?

with these ufo videos, they all were made with the intent to deceive in some way... not to be funnier or goofier

the 2nd jerusalem video to be released was the one up close with the american ladies. that one was determined to be fake (yes?) yet it was released the very next day after video 1 but prior to the video from the 2nd mans camera phone from video 1. Or video 3 i suppose

so you would have me believe that a copycat had already made a video from a totally different viewpoint before the the 2nd mans video was even released?





That is incorrect, the second video was not the one with the lady from MIssissippi, it is actually the third video.

Videos 1 and 2 are the ones with the two men filming.

Video 3 with the lady from MIssissippi has already been declared a fake on here, though it is the exact video the MSM has been using, which has left more than one person on ATS a bit mortified. Video 3 (though it is labeled video 2 on YouTube) is a still photo, this has all been laid out on the thread. MOst people believe that it was made to directly discredit the real video 1 and 2. This is the one that has been stated he has sent an email acknowledging it is a hoax to the MSM.

This is not the case with videos 1, 2, and 4.




posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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reply to post by DeboWilliams
 


Could he have been taking still images for the first few seconds before beginning to record video?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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Couldnt find my camera so I went and grabbed a phone trying to figure out how to get the video off it. I will show you. Know worries



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:53 AM
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the thing is i have never seen a UFO, well nothing i can hang my hat on.
so i can only guess at the reactions of these guys (assuming that they did, and im not convinced either way)
But they claim they did so im trying to guess at how i might feel if i had seen what they aledge they did.
i didnt see what they insist they did, and neither did you
for us to then say they should be doing this or they should be doing that is pointless
assuming what they saw was real, then you and i are incapable of second guessing what they might be thinking/feeling and by extension how they might behave.
we are basing our ideals of how they should behave from a position that is not identical to theirs (assuming they saw what they say they did)

what i will say is this, if they did see what they say they saw, their view of reality is going to be profoundly different to ours.

im not going to post my real name and address here or anywhere on the internet, are you ?
why should they then come forward and do so ?
because thats what they will have to do if they choose to "go public" and answer questions

In get that you and me and everyone else with an interest in this genre wants them to go public and answer questions, but no matter what they say, no matter what proof they provide ie original camera with footage on it.
there will always be some people who will "discredit" them as people , they are young they will be looking for work for the next few decades as per the pattern here on earth.
Its easy to say i would come forth , i would answer questions from the safety of our current positions, but iwe are not in the same situation they are, it didnt happen to us, its easy to talk the talk, but they have to walk the walk.
If it is true, there is simply no parity between our pov and theirs right now

And when it all boils down there is nothing conclusive about their behaviour, it doesnt prove hoax or real imo
here and on their channels they have been called "dishonest" and there is anger directed (rightly so ) at hoaxers.
and even if its true, and even if they can prove its true with things like original cameras and footage, there will always be people who call hoax with the attached anger . you and i cant appreciate this aspect, because it didnt happen to us, our butts are not the ones on the line



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by esteay812
reply to post by DeboWilliams
 


Could he have been taking still images for the first few seconds before beginning to record video?


We never see him shuffle or fumble with it to change from still to video, we don't hear any shutter sounds. Sure perhap he could've disable shutter sounds (but most cellphones do have a shutter effect). So I'm not saying this is 100% without a doubt omfg its fake. Just another piece of information that will get sweeped under the rug, just like how in video 4, they are seen driving around with interior lights on



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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I cant film 30 seconds of video on any of my phones besides I phone and those I cant get data off yet, because it doesnt let me save tell my plans activated. My blackberry if I had a digi card I could. How about 30 consecutive seconds there will be a small pause then I will click record again?
edit on 5-2-2011 by ExCloud because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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reply to post by Ashtrei
 


Agreed. I would never want my real details getting out onto forums like ATS where you have guys who try debunk stories for the sake of debunking. We all know who those guys are in this thread haha. Anyways, who knows how far these guys would go to 'debunk' a story. Make a fake third video comes to mind lol.

But like i was saying, i would not like to give my info out cause who knows what some of the nutjob debunkers online might try do.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Ashtrei
reply to post by DeboWilliams
 


the thing is i have never seen a UFO, well nothing i can hang my hat on.
so i can only guess at the reactions of these guys (assuming that they did, and im not convinced either way)
But they claim they did so im trying to guess at how i might feel if i had seen what they aledge they did.
i didnt see what they insist they did, and neither did you
for us to then say they should be doing this or they should be doing that is pointless
assuming what they saw was real, then you and i are incapable of second guessing what they might be thinking/feeling and by extension how they might behave.
we are basing our ideals of how they should behave from a position that is not identical to theirs (assuming they saw what they say they did)

what i will say is this, if they did see what they say they saw, their view of reality is going to be profoundly different to ours.

im not going to post my real name and address here or anywhere on the internet, are you ?
why should they then come forward and do so ?
because thats what they will have to do if they choose to "go public" and answer questions

In get that you and me and everyone else with an interest in this genre wants them to go public and answer questions, but no matter what they say, no matter what proof they provide ie original camera with footage on it.
there will always be some people who will "discredit" them as people , they are young they will be looking for work for the next few decades as per the pattern here on earth.
Its easy to say i would come forth , i would answer questions from the safety of our current positions, but iwe are not in the same situation they are, it didnt happen to us, its easy to talk the talk, but they have to walk the walk.
If it is true, there is simply no parity between our pov and theirs right now

And when it all boils down there is nothing conclusive about their behaviour, it doesnt prove hoax or real imo
here and on their channels they have been called "dishonest" and there is anger directed (rightly so ) at hoaxers.
and even if its true, and even if they can prove its true with things like original cameras and footage, there will always be people who call hoax with the attached anger . you and i cant appreciate this aspect, because it didnt happen to us, our butts are not the ones on the line




Moot, a simple google search will show you pretty much all their names except for shshsh331. The point is, theyre not going to come out and talk, because its fake and their "original" copies will prove this. So what they are doing is

1.PISSING THEIR PANTS, their names cannot be hid so they are screwed because it will piss alot of people off
2.Stalling
3.Trying to find a way out
4.Listening to these forums and watching, seeing how they can fix some of their flaws



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by DeboWilliams
Ok listen guys

Stop stroking your epeen and listen



Are we supposed to believe that shshsh331 aka video 2 recorder seen recording, stood there for 42 seconds and didnt record anything? Even though his cellphone is clearly on, and hes clearly pointing it at the ufo?

Because from his footage, his recording doesnt start until 42 seconds after video 1 started.

Now, debate that shizzle


Very simple and easily to say we can not justify why he didnt start recording he may have had to go through his menu to get to his camera then go into his camera switch it to video mode then get there and hit record..... have you owned a blackberry? it takes time to get there. If I could record some of the crazy stuff my kid does I would be a youtube sensation well she would be haha.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by DeboWilliams

Originally posted by esteay812
reply to post by DeboWilliams
 


Could he have been taking still images for the first few seconds before beginning to record video?


We never see him shuffle or fumble with it to change from still to video, we don't hear any shutter sounds. Sure perhap he could've disable shutter sounds (but most cellphones do have a shutter effect). So I'm not saying this is 100% without a doubt omfg its fake. Just another piece of information that will get sweeped under the rug, just like how in video 4, they are seen driving around with interior lights on


So they had the light on in the car so they could see while filming, Ya thats very weird and points straight to a hoax ! Well done Debo, you did it again ! brilliant work.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by ExCloud

Originally posted by DeboWilliams
Ok listen guys

Stop stroking your epeen and listen



Are we supposed to believe that shshsh331 aka video 2 recorder seen recording, stood there for 42 seconds and didnt record anything? Even though his cellphone is clearly on, and hes clearly pointing it at the ufo?

Because from his footage, his recording doesnt start until 42 seconds after video 1 started.

Now, debate that shizzle


Very simple and easily to say we can not justify why he didnt start recording he may have had to go through his menu to get to his camera then go into his camera switch it to video mode then get there and hit record..... have you owned a blackberry? it takes time to get there. If I could record some of the crazy stuff my kid does I would be a youtube sensation well she would be haha.


But does it take 42 seconds? and if it does and its that complicated, why is he showing no effort to start the recording?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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again you are ascribing motivations to a situation that you have no personal parity with.
Draken gets it, i would not "go public" ie give out my personal details and thats without posting a vid of a ufo sighting, why would people who had take that risk, especially when people with no proof its fake direct such hostility towards them, as you just did using such emotive descriptions of pissing in their pants etc.

this says it all

"so they are screwed "

if they did film a real UFO, they are still as you say "screwed" who would submit themselves to that ?
edit on 5-2-2011 by Ashtrei because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:01 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:01 AM
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if what they saw is real and can be proven so with current technology, then their's will be the most important video and story of any recent generation, maybe of any generation to have lived on Earth to date.

If it is proven real, they will have this with them, in the public forever, but it would surely bring them more fortune than harm. They would forever be the 1st witnesses to the 1st confirmed UFO sighting. Which, in the long run, might not be a bad thing, even if that isn't what they want.

If it is not real, then the same things will happen to their lives, but in a bad way. They will forever be branded hoaxers and liars. They will have a hard time doing anything that requires the trust of a stranger. It would forever brand them in a bad way.

I suppose both of those would take a bit of thinking, before coming out and talking to the public, but I surely wouldn't want to come out and continue to perpetrate the hoax if it will eventually be caught. If they are hoaxing, the first thing we hear from them will probably be that it isn't real. They may even be taking their time in talking so the hoax can live a bit longer - if it is a hoax.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:02 AM
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Excellent post, and one which I found fascinating to read. I've quite an interest nowadays in the methodology of legal persuasion, and your info has given me some food for thought.

What source did you get that from - or was it your own work? I ask only because I'd be keen to review any site that offers such clear info regarding the legal system.

Many thanks,

Fly.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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They will shoot as long as you want but you have to buy like a $45 card to record longer then 15seconds. it doesnt take much effort. You have to go into your camera menu then just basically switch it to video camera. Then once there you hit record. it takes me an estimated 14seconds to get it to video camera and I have owned a blackberry for about 2years now. Different kind, but they all pretty much have the same menu depending on if you buy different templates I guess or rearrange them yourself.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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No, sorry I need one continuous shot of 20 seconds or more... You cant get video off an iPhone? Or do you mean you tested it on your iPhone and it proves me right, so you want to use a cell phone with worse quality?

Don't waste your time, I know you are wrong.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:05 AM
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I agree Debo, many strange things thoughout the videos, just trying to look at the possible reasons that could answer why they were doing certain things or why something appeared one way, etc.

I don't like the feel of the video of them driving in the car and playing a prank, then recording possibly the most important video ever, then posting it online to display the prank they pulled on their friend in the first place. With a video like this, it seems that the prank on the friend would be forgotten about and the UFO would be front and center.

I just don't understand why the prank was so funny that it was posted with priority over the UFO filmed in the same video!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:05 AM
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People have been sent to the chair with less info


And that's a good reason to cut corners in our investigation? As I've already pointed out, and as an audio specialist or two have already pointed out, there's not enough in the way of information/ data, to garner full conclusions from the audio.

Your key point, which you claim as leading to a 'nailed-shut coffin' (paraphrased) is simply not strong enough, despite the loud protestations to the contrary which you insist on ramming down our throats every couple of pages...



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