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Originally posted by Paradigm2012
I find it wierd that nobody from this thread has done a real investigation or talked to the witnesses. Everyone thinks just sitting at home on their computer is enough to figure it all out. NOPE aint that easy kids
Originally posted by Paradigm2012
reply to post by DeboWilliams
Its all timestamped and logged.
Why would they respond to you or anyone from ATS when you have your mind made up that its a hoax.
I know a longtime UFO researcher in Israel (I mean long time veteran)
I know he is in contact with them
so stay tuned and get ready for egg on your face
ru·mor /ˈrumər/ Show Spelled[roo-mer] Show IPA –noun 1. a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts: a rumor of war. 2. gossip; hearsay: Don't listen to rumor. 3. Archaic . a continuous, confused noise; clamor; din.
I was reading earlier that someone on this thread was responsible for Video 3, the one that actually shows evidence of a hoax, unlike the others. Someone on this thread "hoaxed video 3" I will find the quote and I thought ATS was supposed to be considered objective and scientific
So which one of you hoaxed video 3? and what did you gain from doing that?
Since the rumor is someone from ATS is behind the (video 3 hoax)-------
I know a longtime UFO researcher in Israel (I mean long time veteran) I know he is in contact with them so stay tuned and get ready for egg on your face
Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by Mr Mask
Gawd. Not another one.
I can't believe you don't know what is going on. Who are you? Please some transparency Mr. Mask.
Masks are for what? Why?
Well you did a good animation I was encouraged to watch so I know you know some of our tools. But a holistic knowledge is a bigger picture view and if used, you will see you are missing the point. Logic and critical thinking on the basic event are the best tools now. I don't see the sense in arguing about Flea's ass hairs when we are talking about the dog it is a very small part of. BTW, the dog just threw up what you called proof.
I know UFOs exist. For a fact. I also know most or all of the skill sets, software and hardware you expound on. I use them every day.
If I took a picture of your mask and drilled down into a 2 dimensional 200 pixel area, I could find errors too. it would prove nothing. Reality is riddled by infinite variation and instances of anomalous phenomena. It is wonderfully natural. Wider views are indicated. Please remove the reality obscuring mask. You need see clearly the basic mistakes of logic you are making.
But the bigger picture seems escape almost everyone. Balancing the implications of this event and the significance of all that is happening takes wide field comprehension. You have to take your eye off the microscope eyepiece to see where you are and what is actually going on. These videos are not significant other than markers for a much larger implication. Do you know the significance of this sacred location? If this UFO event is as I sense real, this is tantamount to a sign or communication for all people. You think it is faked. Consider it is not. Just try.
This thread is myopic minded right now. Why do you persist in keeping this going into a clearly entropy focused direction? You will be dismissed for such ignorant understanding science. All these arguments for Hoax are mute. You don't know anything more than anyone else. Not proof. None.
But just seeing the videos, and now counter intelligence methods in play by possibly adding a fake version in a fourth video to do exactly what was done to kill the Caret story and the California Drones in classic backfire-setting methods takes the cake. So you think that disproving the validity of only one of the videos is sufficient to actually prove anything? That is freshmen logic my friend.
You do not have the evidence to disprove this event All these so-called forensic videos have no chance of being taken seriously by anyone but the uninformed. Many are innocent, but are looking to someone to say yay or nay. We do not have the mechanisms in social networks with only semi experienced people or unprofessional video tools and no originals. Try harder and amp up your methods and science reference.
Please tell us the best UFO investigative network/org you know, if not MUFON. Now expound on the reasons you dismiss all of MUFON and anyone associated. I hear prejudiced opinions and not facts in your comments. I actually think all research is needed. Why not incorporate MUFON with all the smaller group efforts?
Yes, this is a social network environment and you can say and be anyone you want to anyone you want. Funny, tough, witty, negative, positive, quirky, talented, or with a mask. There is an assumption of anonymity here. But in science you need to show some qualities of experience and have some actual understanding. Here anonymous is the norm. Fertile ground for many getting seriously ahead of themselves. Playing expert. This is not somewhere to find proof or hoax. It is somewhere to discuss impressions and play with ideas. The video and discussion is fun. Until you think it means serious proof of anything.
I am beginning to want to know who you are. I will share my identity. But with you only and you cannot share the information. Deal? I will tell you about myself on a private channel to satisfy your curiosity. But you would need to do the same for me. I am not interested in a pissing contest. But if you want to know where I get my informed opinions, I would be glad to share. Springer and others know me. Maybe wishing they did not know me sometimes for the mud spattered on their shoes. I don't do well with disinfo dysfunctionals, trolls and their ilk. They get under my skin when they confuse others.
You seem show sociopath tenancies in your expressive. you seem young or not formally educated, but have enough talent and personal issues and anxiety related angst to make a creative out of you. People like to watch and are entertained by such characters. Not so interesting as to impress me however. I want to know the real person.
I also observed that you pepper your comments with pedantic insults to imbalance and get your opponent emotionally off center. You are coaxing an advantage you do not think you have. You phrase your comments about "proof" like it is actually evidence. It is not, and other sharp people who took the time to explain these points to you where ignored. You are pretending. Or, you are flat out fueling a disinfo campaign to change opinions and scare off news agencies from airing the event. They watch all this. ATS is the most active source for stories they need to fill the cracks in the furnace for broadcast content.
I predict we will find out that this actually happened. Covered up by intimidation and a people under the control of opinions and veiled prejudice. Also, a darker element. The kind who wear a mask between truth and the people.
You seriously want to play with these creeps?
So, cards on the table?
PS: Really disappointed this video and thread was canned by Springer on your word. Bad decision. A good industrial chemist would not allow a drug to go on the market without proper scientific study. Really Springer? No time?
edit on 2/6/2011 by ZeroGhost because: Cut-paste error
Originally posted by FlowerMachine
Epic pause in the thread. Tumbleweeds and eye-rolling. You guys had better hold on tight, stuffs about to hit the fan. Most epic U.F.O. thread EVER.
fides, fortitudo et pertinacia
Originally posted by epicvision
This incident is NOT A HOAX no matter what they say.. video with still image and southern talking lady is disinfo period.. the other videos are real.
I get the feeling every time I visit this forum that the ATS "experts" seem to be a bit "debunk heavy" IMO. People will wake up soon enough. The craft I witnessed first hand was about the same size as this one and moved similar and took off the same.