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UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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To hoaxers and for m0r



For those who used thier computers to destroy hoaxes made with computers, I suggest a theme song for you (made by me)-













posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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reply to post by Mr Mask
 


I have never heard of David Biedny until it came up on this thread. Work for "them". I don't even know who "them" is, and neither do you. I have found these people thru these threads. I am at least trying to go to the "source" which is more than I can say for you. You are just an armchair debunker. That's fine, as it obviously gives you a sense of grand superiority.

I think you need to get a grip and stop attacking members like myself on ATS who have NEVER proven themselves to be hard-headed and obstinate. I don't care what you think about me, you should be ashamed for treating any member the way you just did me. The worst part of it all is that back-handed apology. Keep it to yourself.

I would like to see the "real data" on the original footage. If you consider that pathetic, I think you need a reality check. Just because I don't whole-heartedly accept your word as the gospel truth, you are offended. I think THAT"S pathetic.

And just to clarify my opinion, here is what I stated in another thread:


I don't know if it a hoax or not. The people claiming it is a hoax have only had youtube video to work with, which in my opinion is useless. Until we can have the original footage to test, I think it's an unknown event. The people claiming it is real have no better idea of it's reality than the debunkers. My opinion is reserved until such a time as the actual footage can be reviewed and studied. Until then, it remains a question mark


Now, tell me some more about myself, wouldja?!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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reply to post by puntito
 


Puntito, Thank you so sincerely for posting and participating. I appreciated it greatly.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Bye for now, Jerusalem. On to the je..erm UFO in Utah!



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by Mr Mask
 


I have never heard of David Biedny until it came up on this thread. Work for "them". I don't even know who "them" is, and neither do you.


I know damn well who "them" is, and know my enemies well. You are not one of them and I made a mistake in using my feelings for David to address you. Again I am sorry.



I have found these people thru these threads. I am at least trying to go to the "source" which is more than I can say for you.


I see...I do nothing I assume.

Nothing at all.

Very accurate and understood...sigh.


We all have a roll in life...mine must be "not going to source".



You are just an armchair debunker. That's fine, as it obviously gives you a sense of grand superiority.


I am superior to no creation of God...ty.

But you may assume I think I am.

Further more, I've been far from this armchair and have done more then type in a forum about my concerns and beliefs. But I do not expect you to know my history of public speaking or my life long quest to organize an awareness of these subjects.

But again...I am something bad and something...I get you.



I think you need to get a grip and stop attacking members like myself on ATS who have NEVER proven themselves to be hard-headed and obstinate.


Actually I didn't attack you...I called your mentioning of David something along the lines of advertising for a dishonest hoaxer. Wittingly or not.

Now...maybe you'd know his history and exploits if you "went to source" on him.



I don't care what you think about me,


Not caring is a very troubling sickness spreading rapidly throughout the human race...I try very hard to care.



you should be ashamed for treating any member the way you just did me.


Ashamed? Absolutely not...you twice promoted and sent members here to a man who profits off lying to gullible types. I simply dislike that. Not defending my actions, but I am not ashamed. I'm more "concerned" for you.

But seeing as you say you don't even know David's work before all this...my concern is considerably less.

If you supported him or beleived him...I'd be worried for you and try my best to save you from his trickery.



The worst part of it all is that back-handed apology. Keep it to yourself.


Sigh...I roll with Jesus.

My apologies are always sincere. But I understand if this callous world has left you assuming all apologies are false. Mine was not.



I would like to see the "real data" on the original footage. If you consider that pathetic, I think you need a reality check.


Its like saying you need to see the original footage of starwars....its fine. Pathetic? no...Its just proof that proof dosn't prove things to you. Yes...THAT worries me a little...but I'm sure you just want to cover your bases or something.

But really, the work done in this thread "should really be enough" to prove without a doubt it is fake.

But if you need more for whatever reason...be well and go find it.I'm worried people will advertise for these hucksters and their next footage when it tricks them into thinking there is legitimate "real new info".



Just because I don't whole-heartedly accept your word as the gospel truth, you are offended. I think THAT"S pathetic.


Pathedic is a strong word. But I will say, if the inf here didn't sway you...nothing will. You have just been shown the sky is blue. So now you want to go and talk to the guys who painted it pink for more info.

Be my guest. Its absolutely unnecessary but you do as you see fit.



Now, tell me some more about myself, wouldja?!


Ok...you are someone who gave hundreds of readers a heads up to go check out a site that tricks and swindles folks... unwittingly ...and now you wish to go talk to the hoaxers who hoaxed you for a deeper insight into the facts.

You are...I dunno how to say this...but...part of these huckster's market plan. You click them, they get paid. They only get clicks cus people like you link to them and spread their name not knowing the wise thing to do is NOT mention them by name or spread their info.

In short- you are spreading a sickness that I've taken an oath to limit in this world.

its not your fault...you just don't see it. its Ok.

We are still alive.

MM





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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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I made this video just for you (and of course the 1000's that might be like you)...




posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Paradigm2012
I am going to upload my complete study showing that video 1,2,4 are not hoaxes.

stay tuned for my complete study
and I will share it with ATS first

You will see that this is NOT A HOAX when you READ MY STUDY.



Good morning sunshine


Have you uploaded your complete study yet?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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You have been an endless ball of hostility.

I am now taking steps to see it rectified.

If that don't work...I'll be sharing a piece of mind with you in a way that really clears up just how "valuable" I think you have been here in this research.

Good day sir.

MM



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Thank you for your excellent information about motion tile effects. Many members on both sides of this "Jerusalem UFO" argument have presented some very salient points and I'm grateful to all of them, but (for me, at least) yours have been absolutely key.

Best regards,

Mike



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Has anyone created an "all-in-one" page with all the debunking evidence laid out in bullet points with photos?

Something like that would probably help quash this much sooner - if people only had to make one click before it became obvious, instead of going through tons of pages



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Well I'm sold on this being a hoax now, definitely feel that the balance has been tipped but it's been fun. Thank you everybody that stated their cases well with analysis, that's what makes ATS better than all the wannabe forums, until next time.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Your video proves nothing...

Can you actualy make a 'jeruzalem ufo' video yourself ?

I don't think you can.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by css1981
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
 


Your video proves nothing...

Can you actualy make a 'jeruzalem ufo' video yourself ?

I don't think you can.


The research actually proves the UFO was a hoax and the video was digitally altered.

Along with many many many other things that were pointed out.

And yes...anyone can add a moving light to a background ignoring perspective, laws of light, audio consistency.

Making a video that doesn't have those flaws is hard...that's why these kids failed... because they made a sloppy video.

Are you not "trusting" the research done here?

MM
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by bisonpowers
Well I'm sold on this being a hoax now, definitely feel that the balance has been tipped but it's been fun. Thank you everybody that stated their cases well with analysis, that's what makes ATS better than all the wannabe forums, until next time.


I would also LOVE if our technical detectives involved in busting this case got together and built a definitive thread detailing ALL evidence found and displayed in these two threads.

I so think that would rule.

A good "go to" thread to make sense of the 200 pages of madness and chaos that was "this case".

Maybe if we hint at it a lt and make puppy dog eyes?

Hint hint...



MM
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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The video you are replying to was made specifically for the member who didn't think the motion tile effect moves and rotates. It wasn't really to prove anything (except that the member didn't know what he was talking about)...

..and yes, I CAN re-make the Jerusalem videos, and probably better. In fact, I can make the programs that were used to make the UFOs.


This is the video that proves motion tiling was used, and there is computer generated camera movements.


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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by DeboWilliams
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Note the circles ( pay attention to the peak inside the circles) and the highlighted inverted green area
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If you're pointing out the time discrepancy with the "squibs" . . .

Can't that be attributed to variable/fluctuating recording/sample rates?



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by css1981
 


The video you are replying to was made specifically for the member who didn't think the motion tile effect moves and rotates. It wasn't really to prove anything (except that the member didn't know what he was talking about)...

..and yes, I CAN re-make the Jerusalem videos, and probably better. In fact, I can make the programs that were used to make the UFOs.


This is the video that proves motion tiling was used, and there is computer generated camera movements.


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In my opinion, that video seems to be conclusive proof the videos are fake. Only way it's not is if it's possible for anomalous mirrored images to manifest naturally in digital recordings.



posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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G00d t0 see this sc0urge 0f a h0ax 0utcast t0 the h0ax area t0 fester and r0t at last!

this H0AX




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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by enektyk
Has anyone created an "all-in-one" page with all the debunking evidence laid out in bullet points with photos?


Working on it
But i need to skim through the rest from about page 60ish. If anyone has time and wants to send me links to relevant posts to save going through all the counter bashing and just link to the evidence it would be much appreciated

I will post the page in a while as it is now and yawl can look at it and see what is missing... just the data

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