Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by loveguy
my initial feasability went something like this.. all assumptions btw.
a testing medium would need to be positioned in front of the aperture to determine
flow pattern and scatter. as the anti-protons strike the medium, they would
leave indentations that would be used to identify the best sizing for the aperture.
the medium could be boron impregnated polythene approx one inch thick. i think this
procedure would be impotant due to the unknowns of collecting such a volatile
resource. it would also show any cascade or concentrations of particles that could
potentially engulf and damage external unshielded components of the vehicle.
I should probably be embarrassed that I didn't know what an anti-proton is. Judging by this link, I'm supposed to believe anti protons never existed until '55. So that soup very well could be a collection of the pieces of nuclear radiation that was able to leave our 'breathing air'. So,
the aperture would need to be at a determined distance from the containment
vessel with multiple redundancies along it's transition corridor length, for safety and
consistency of flow. in the event of a cluster or too high a concentration of inbound
particles, the system could repel and detatch the flow. the assumption i imagined
regarding the transition corridor was that it would need to be calibrated to accept
a single stream of particles rather than a wider volume that could potentially
destroy the vehicle should the containment system along the length of the
I think we are very fortunate that these particles are collecting outside our atmosphere. But not in terms of us one day being able to tap into and utilize it as another energy source, to milk the consumers til death. This stuff is the death of us, and we are trying to reel it in? I take it as a lesson to quit fidgeting with nuclear energy, and hope all them daughters of doom escape our atmosphere and go find some other civilization to wreak havoc on.
the containment vessel, again i imagined a setup similar to the plasma torus vessel
used in various experiments circa 80's onwards and an enhancement of the zeta
(zero energy thermonuclear assembly) setup from the fifties.
once the particles are injected into the torus, as long as the field held, they would
be in constant torus flow and ready for draw or available for transfer to another more
a number of redundant systems would need to be incorporated into the vehicle
to ensure there is no failure of the electro/magnetic containment or else the lightshow
would be visible from the ground but thats dependent on the size of the vehicle
and the amount of anti-protons collected. i would say a minimum of four redundant
systems taking account of cme's, circuit board failures etc...
I'm pretty confident it would be more than just a light show. Chain reaction; disturbed particles crashing into disturbed particles, crashing into our atmosphere; igniting it?
transit back to earth is another matter where serious feasability studies would be
required. due to it's volatility, i suspect any inbound delivery system would
need to be well away from population centres.
the revenue from such a system would far outweigh any initial costings,r and d and
operational outlay. uses are obvious and controlled annihilation of anti-protons
could generate electricity through pwr (pressure water reactor) right through to
nuclear remediation where a stream of anti-protons could by focused on a quantity
of nuclear waste and would cancel out the matter to produce heat and light and
again these by-products of annihilation could be utilised to produce electricity.
I certainly like the way that sounds in terms of ridding ourselves from these nuclear by-products. But that would be my initial objective. I would deny any feasibility in such an ambitious endeavor while creating nuclear by-products in the process/utilizing nuclear energy must end.
so there you have it loveguy, a slice of mine minus tangible drawings. wonder if there
are any burt rutans (sp!) out there with the scope for investing in such a system or
will the dod/mod/etc simply hijack any patent and dis-allow development?
best wishes fakedirt.
I wish humanity had more feasible ambitions...low consequential aspirations that extend life, not make it pay.
Why do we use rectifiers to utilize our electronics?
Thanks for listening, and I apologize for having an ill-fatuation for this topic, while utilizing your posts.
My best wishes to you too.