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Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
Hey OP tell your thoughts to Obama's henchmen when they herd you off to a FEMA camp. I'm sure plenty of folks in Iraq maybe thought the same way before they were tortured and killed by Sadaam too. Maybe not.
Originally posted by Mizzijr
We need to come together, not as Anarchist, and not as the government we know today. What we need to come together as is a word that isn't even made yet, because no society has EVER been there.
Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by muzzleflash
I am sorry, what you are saying is horse pucky and pseudo philosophy that might find its way into a grade school handbook for anarchists, if there were such a thing. It is neither wise or profound. It is silly and in no way reflects the REALITY of what it means to be human and function in a civil society, which requires cooperation, which requires people to follow instructions of sorts.
I am sure your simplistic concepts would be so soothing to a 17th century slave bowing under the whip after she objected to having her children sold.
Utter nonsense and dangerous garbage typed from the cozy, non-threatening cocoon of your room.
Originally posted by nenothtu
[ALL rulers rule by consent of the governed, democratic and despotic alike. NO ONE can rule a man who refuses their rule - all they can do is kill him, and even that is on his own terms, not theirs.
Furthermore, ALL rulers derive their alleged "power" from control of the governed. Government itself is nothing more than a attempt at control, and only works against those so consenting to be controlled by it. Without their consent, their willing abdication of their own power to another, no control is possible, hence no governance.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by DevilJin
You have a valid point but he does actually have to "step down" and officially resign. The "people" can't just rally together, take over without dealing with the old regime, hence making it officially over. Otherwise, it'd be a kind of occupation, if you will, of the governmental seat. You're right but technically wrong since we do live in a "civilized" society, not a tribe or the wild.
Actually you have it backwards.
We are not "civilized". A Civilized person does not need leadership. They can lead themselves just fine. Thus a "civilized" man is a "free" man.
Primitive people's are incapable of rational or logical thought. They are incapable of making good decisions. Therefore primitive people's need leaders to make choices for them.
Today Earth's population is entirely primitive in this respect.
If we simply led ourselves, all governments would lose power over night. Instantly.
But it requires all of us to shrug off the old outdated ideas of power and control that are actually just illusions.
Once we shrug it off, no government is necessary. We will become self-governing.
What you want is organization. You do not need leaders with power to form organization.
I have organized with friends, and we did not need a leader to achieve that. We did not have conflicts or lose control of ourselves, we just got together and agreed on some mutual aspirations.
What we humans really are seeking is organization and the agreement of mutual aspirations.
Don't need leaders for that.