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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Apart from being a mod here which means nothing to me . What do you actually do to make a positive change , how do you inspire and motivate those who are fed up of being slaves ?
Because to me you are nothing but a posterboy for the nwo .




posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by TheGhostViking
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Apart from being a mod here which means nothing to me . What do you actually do to make a positive change ,


You put me in a bit of a dilemma here since you keep bringing up the fact that Im a mod im not sure if its a bad strawman or a garden variety ad hom attack


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What do you actually do to make a positive change


I am a pediatric critical care nurse transport specialist. I specialize in the airborne transport of critical ill children and infants. Some of my transports have even made CNN



how do you inspire and motivate those who are fed up of being slaves ?
Because to me you are nothing but a posterboy for the nwo .


I cannot inspire or motivate those who simply cannot see or want to see. So far you nor anyone has provided any scientific shred of evidence to back up any of your claims. You seem to be a slave to your own ignorance of the matter

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
------- Bob Marley - Redemption Song

Once you listen to Bob maybe we can have a real debate about the matter
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posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Well your worth with kids is great! I worked with disadvantaged kids too and its very rewarding .
People are awake fred , they just need SOMEONE to stand up and they will follow .
Bob Marley is a legend but most "herb" heads are .
ATS mods I want you guys to stand up .
Weve spoken long enough , time for action no ?
Thnx fred your post inspired me

Ps 1st post from a mod ive starred
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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 04:10 AM
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Flu vaccine? Are you perhaps ignorant about how Influenza works? The flu shot represents a statistical best bet against what 'strains" of Influenza is expected to be bad that year. Because of the large variety Influenza it would be impossible to inoculate against the millions of variants out there. The shot protect against whatever is in the syringe not everything.


You are perhaps ignorant calling me ignorant. Because there is so much cases that show people that didnt have influenza for many years and when they decided to take the flu vaccine, they had the flu.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 05:19 AM
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Our creator gave us all the medicine we needed , i dont do manmade drugs
Il take a vaccine if someone offers me 1million pounds.
Otherwise forget it!



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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Using that logic, "the lord" didn't give you a house, clothing, computer, or television; those are all human inventions. Are you going to toss those out?
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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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you a house, clothing, computer, or television


Last time i checked those objects didnt contain poison and dont need to be injected in my blood!



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Actually, there are many potentially toxic compounds used to build houses, computer, and televisions. If you're worried about heavy metal exposure, I'm surprised you're more concerned about vaccines than computers. There are all sorts of heavy metals in them.

There are even dust particles containing heavy metals that you can inhale/ingest in some electronics and housing materials.

So, my question remains: are you going to give those things up, since "the lord" didn't give them to you?
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posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Our creator gave us all the medicine we needed , i dont do manmade drugs
i said creator not god which means im not claiming to know who /what made us .
But anyway if your happy taking vaccines i have no problem . Each to their own
But if they make vaccines mandatory thats when il be worried . !



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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You still haven't answered my question. You specifically said that "the lord" gave us everything we needed. Are you going to give up houses, clothing, computers, phones, etc. since they are man-made?



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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It is always amazing to me how folks refuse to look at both sides of the debate. Most of us who are Anti-vaccine have looked at both sides because most of us believed like everyone else at one time vaccines were good for us.

On the other hand the pro vaccine advocates refuse to look at the research and evidence confirming vaccines are a fraud and do not help, they dismiss it out of hand and try and ridicule it as pseudo science, and quackery etc.... Many of them have a vested in interest in the vaccine industry as part of thier lively hood.

Why are they so worried? If vaccines work then those who are vaccinated have nothing to worry about from the non-vaccinated. Yet we have whole countries in the past have mandated vaccines out of fear and have threatened to do it again. Their whole argument fails miserably on this logic alone much less the hard evidence and data proving vaccines are a fraud.



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

On the other hand the pro vaccine advocates refuse to look at the research and evidence confirming vaccines are a fraud and do not help,


It would help if any of this research actually existed. What I see, instead, are the same blogs, anecdotes, and "what if" stories posted ad nauseum.


Why are they so worried? If vaccines work then those who are vaccinated have nothing to worry about from the non-vaccinated. Yet we have whole countries in the past have mandated vaccines out of fear and have threatened to do it again. Their whole argument fails miserably on this logic alone much less the hard evidence and data proving vaccines are a fraud.


Again, you show that you have absolutely no understanding of how science, medicine, or biostatistics work. In order for a disease to be repressed to the extent that paralytic polio is (0 cases in the United States), you need nearly a 90% immunization rate. Then, take into account the 5% or so of the population who is immunocompromised (meaning vaccines are less effective or not able to be given to them), which means you really need about 95% immunization rate. Also take into account that vaccines are typicaly 87-92% effective, meaning a parent who has done their job and had their child immunized could still lose a child to a preventable disease because someone read Alex Jones' site and decided not to vaccinate their children. Anything below that rate tends to create pockets of disease, such as Pertussis seen both in the USA and UK recently, as well as measles seen in the USA and UK. If the immunization rate drops even further, you see LARGER pockets, which only continue to grow as immunization drops.

Herd immunity isn't a robust thing. It's not like we're just running immunization campaigns for the hell of it. There are strict statistical models, supported by real world data, that govern where and when we need to vaccinate.

As I've said MANY times on this board: just because you are unknowledge about a subject doesn't mean you get to make facts up. LEARN.
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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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food from monsanto is normal here.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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Good thread OP we need to know more about vaccines . flag/star for you .



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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I vaccinated one of my daughters, at 5 years. She got a circle rashes which turned to bruises all over her body. She couldn't even walk cause her knees hurt, so she was in the shower crying on the floor and wasn't able to get up. This broke my heart, thats when I started researching vaccines. I hated myself for accepting vaccines.

I have researched into virgin vaccines with a family dr. this is vaccines without all the added junk to them. He sais these are a more pure form of the same vaccines. Anyone know about these?

Could I please see some data people proving vaccines are safe? I would like to compare.

thank you



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
It is always amazing to me how folks refuse to look at both sides of the debate. Most of us who are Anti-vaccine have looked at both sides because most of us believed like everyone else at one time vaccines were good for us.

On the other hand the pro vaccine advocates refuse to look at the research and evidence confirming vaccines are a fraud and do not help, they dismiss it out of hand and try and ridicule it as pseudo science, and quackery etc.... Many of them have a vested in interest in the vaccine industry as part of thier lively hood.


I don't. I work with computers. What studies are you referring to?


Why are they so worried? If vaccines work then those who are vaccinated have nothing to worry about from the non-vaccinated.


Well, yes, we do. This has already been explained more eloquently than I could, though, so I'll just point you to the above posts.


Yet we have whole countries in the past have mandated vaccines out of fear and have threatened to do it again. Their whole argument fails miserably on this logic alone


What logic is that?



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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This is excellent information, well done RUSSO!!



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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I watched my previously healthy sister die a long slow death after a anti-tetanus vaccine; it destroyed her childhood. That's why I've spent time researching and I now know very well that vaccines are complete con. I would relocate my family to the other side of the world rather than have any of them receive a vaccine.

If you believe vaccines are a good thing, try to at least take a look at the other side of the argument and keep your mind open. I used to think vaccines were great just like you do! I also used to think Muslims hijacked planes and flew them into the twin towers, just like you once did.



posted on Feb, 14 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Well, since Fred posted pretty much everything I was going to say, I'll say this:

There is a difference between coincidence and causation effect. For instance, I stab my leg with a pair of scissors, which causes it to hurt and bleed. That is causation effect - i.e. the effect (blood and pain) is caused by the fact I stabbed myself and not say, by the sun or the turkey that lives in my yard for some reason. Terrible analogy, I know, but when I was trying to think of one, my scissors were the first thing I saw. Anyway, my point is that just because two things happen in close chronological proximity to one another, does not necessarily mean that they are associated with each other. Mutually exclusive events are a thing that happens.

To the person who said something about how them or a friend got the flu the one year they got a flu jab. Well, as someone said earlier, you are not inoculated with every single pathogen that causes influenza, only the ones that are statistically more likely to be causing a problem that year. Just because you get one type of flu vaccine does not give you immunity to all flu causing pathogens.

Finally, the person who said something about virgin vaccines. I do not know exactly, but it sounds as though they might be vaccines minus the adjuvants. There is a reason adjuvants get put into vaccines and that is because they don't work that well without them. They essentially kick your immune system into gear, which allows them to efficiently and properly recognise the antigens in the vaccine, thereby imparting immunity. Vaccines do work to some extent without the adjuvants, but not nearly as well. I don't think it would be worth it, to be honest. If you're going to get vaccinated, you should get a vaccine that is more likely to work.



posted on Feb, 16 2011 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by jameshawkings
I watched my previously healthy sister die a long slow death after a anti-tetanus vaccine; it destroyed her childhood. That's why I've spent time researching and I now know very well that vaccines are complete con. I would relocate my family to the other side of the world rather than have any of them receive a vaccine.

If you believe vaccines are a good thing, try to at least take a look at the other side of the argument and keep your mind open. I used to think vaccines were great just like you do! I also used to think Muslims hijacked planes and flew them into the twin towers, just like you once did.



Im sorry to hear about your sister James , thats terrible , no wonder your anti vaccine mate.
I have a friend who is looking into vaccines because him and others had vaccines at school and have been ill ever since and this was 10 years ago .
Best to keep yourself informed than just take vaccines without awareness .






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