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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Soke33
John 8:
39 They answered and said unto Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus saith unto them, “If ye were Abrahams children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill Me, a Man That hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father.”
Then said they to Him, “We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.”
42 Jesus said unto them, “If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it…
58 Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
He denied those people being children of God. He judged them right then and there.
If Jesus was before Abraham, how could Abraham be His father?
FIrst my friend, Jesus Judged them correctly. He judged them as they had judged him.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Surely you know this, the kingdom of God is within you.
Originally posted by Soke33
In that instance, you believe Christ was following lex taliones ~ eye for an eye? Really?
Ye have heard that it hath been said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:’
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. -Matthew 5.38-39
That has to cause one to take pause, don’t you think?
Originally posted by Soke33
He did eventually turn the other cheek, and they crucified Him. He did come to save that which was lost.
In that instance, He was clearly teaching that there are two different bloodlines among men on earth.
Originally posted by Soke33
And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come,
He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, ‘Lo, here!’ or, ‘lo there!’
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
And He said unto the disciples, “The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. -Luke 17.20-22
The word within (21) = in the midst of, or, among: as in already there in the Person of the King (whose presence marks a kingdom). It is the Greek word entos and has the same meaning as the Greek word en’ with the plural rendered among 115 times in the New Testament. This is the case every time that verse is stated in Scripture, which was only when He was actually here on earth…among men.
Originally posted by Soke33
Once He ascended, His Holy Spirit descended. ’Tis His Holy Spirit in our hearts that gives us the Kingdom of God in us. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the Holy Trinity taught in Scriptures.
Originally posted by Soke33
Philip saith unto Him, “Lord, we know not wither Thou goest; and how can we know the way?”
Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.”
Originally posted by Soke33
If you are following the teachings of Jesus, Yehoshua, YHVH’S Saviour, without believing He is God, you are committing idol worship. He clearly taught that He was sharing His Own commandments.
Originally posted by Soke33
You deny too much of His Word to be doing His work, whether it be in ignorance or deception. That is my educated opinion, and I do offer it with all the love I can muster.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Soke33
In that instance, you believe Christ was following lex taliones ~ eye for an eye? Really?
Ye have heard that it hath been said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:’
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. -Matthew 5.38-39
That has to cause one to take pause, don’t you think?
No my friend, that is not what I said. He returned their own judgement to them. Judge Not lest ye be judged yourself! He was simply and truly saying, "I know you are but what am I" Peewee Herman got it.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
There are two different blood lines. One which is of God and sees all mankind as the same bloodline. The other is of the serpent and has been deceived into thinking they are separate for one reason or another. Now which bloodline are you of?
My friend, do you think by complicating your explanation you have changed the meaning of the word? Did Christ speak in deceptions and illusions or did he tell his truth so simply a child could understand it.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
The Kingdom of God is Within you! Where else do you think that you get the life that is inside you? Where else do you think thoughts come from when they are not filtered through the deceptions of the serpent? Were you "Christian" when you were in the womb? Did God not dwell within you there?
How do you have knowledge of the Holy Spirit? Have you seen it, have you felt it, does it speak to you?
Have you been thrust down to your knees in Awe at this creation? Have you come face to face with all the Sins you have committed in this life? Have you felt every little ounce of pain that you have caused another for even the slightest injury? Have you begged for forgiveness through an ocean of tears and felt the splendor of the love of God envelope you? Have felt his overwhelming joy fill you up and renew you and make you whole again? Have been so awe struck by his mercy and love that you have forsaken everything in life to be an image of that mercy to all Mankind? Have you seen the Holy Spirit?
Do not talk of things which are Holy if you have not experienced them.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Soke33
If you are following the teachings of Jesus, Yehoshua, YHVH’S Saviour, without believing He is God, you are committing idol worship. He clearly taught that He was sharing His Own commandments.
If you are claiming a word, a creation of Man is capable of containing all the love and wisdom of that divine Spirit that moves all things. You fail to understand the meaning of YHWH, and do not know who I AM.
Originally posted by spy66
What does it mean to fallow Christ?
Some say that to be able to love God you have to first love Christ "Jesus".
The question now becomes: How do we show that we love Jesus?
We dont love Jesus by worshiping him, the cross or the church. We show that we love Jesus by loving each other.
If we love each other we also love Jesus. And we also love God.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
reply to post by Soke33
I apologise for any offence I may have caused with this discussion and the opening thread my sister. The purpose was not to cause offence to anyone, but rather to be a way of sharing the truths spoken by Christ. In our exchanges I was not trying to denigrate your view, but was merely trying to show that I saw them differently. I did not mean to cause you any harm in the process, but regrettably, I did so. I am sorry and will refrain from using Christ's words to explain my own truths again.
With Love,
Your Brother
You started a thread to insult with a smile because of a belief that you are equal to a Perfect Man. How obvious that you are mistaken.
Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by Soke33
You started a thread to insult with a smile because of a belief that you are equal to a Perfect Man. How obvious that you are mistaken.
We all, all of us are equal to a perfect man. We all, all of us are sons and daughters of God.
It is only blindness and sleep that convince us that we are separate from the One, and if we are not separate from the One then we have the seed of God within us and are therefore perfect ourselves. Sin=sleep. Sin=disbelief in our own perfection.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Jesus isn't saying that only the born again Christians have power. He is saying that he opened an energetic door for us to be as him, that he trod the path first to show us the way, to show our genes as humanity the way back to our own perfection. "Believeth on me" is a way of saying, believing that we have this power within us.
We, all of us, are gods, but there is only one God, one creator, with three aspects.
The Christian trinity is only one of a number of examples of the esoteric trinity concept.
Take Taoism for example. Long before Christianity the Taoist trinity was:
Yuanshi Tianzun-The Heavenly one of Primeval Origins (God the Creator),
Lingbao Tianzun-The Heavenly One of the spiritual treasure who mediates between heaven and earth (Holy Spirit in Christianity) and
Daode Tianzun-Heavenly one who brings the Dao into manifest effect in the world (like Jesus)
Even Taoism identifies the trinity as being headed by "the heavenly one of primeval origins."
So while none of us is God as considered that way, we are all gods asleep to our own power.
edit on 4-2-2011 by coyotepoet because: spelling
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I am a Christian, and proud to be one. because some perverted the term doesn't mean I reject the term. The term "Christians" was created by those who hated us originally as a term to mock us. They called us "Christians" because they said we wanted to imitate Christ.
Which I do.
What does it mean to be a follower of Christ?