posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 01:47 AM
Im really not sure where to stand in such a thread.
I find it bad form of those that are calling those that are not seeking or have not had 'spiritual experiences' things like 'sheeple, zombies, or
telling them they have golf ball size anything'.
Inner growth...does not lead you to hold yourself above another...ever.
Know between growth of ego and growth of soul.
Look out for 'being full of yourself'.
Even though I side with those in that spiritual experience do exists...their purpose is a complex issue on many levels. Some spiritual experiences are
simply a unconsciousness trying to 'work things out' with the conscious mind. When this occurs, the 'images' that are used to 'communicate'
between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind are 'preconceived' images or ideas that have already been placed in the mind from what a persons
surroundings has already placed there to be of use for 'messages' from the unconsciousness to the conscious mind. Sometimes...a lack of love growing
up...will cause a person to be very attracted to certain ideas...like experiencing what some call a 'family of light' that loves them. But we must
ask...why then dont we all experience such a family of light...if its truth. My mother during her NDE experienced Jesus touching her face and calling
her 'daughter'...but then why dont all NDE include such a experience of Jesus in them?
Experiences...are deeply personal. Often...they have a underlying 'message' that the unconscious mind is trying to work through to the conscious
mind. Often, the message is not seen at all because the person will be so caught up in what is called the 'saintly' level...because the
'fulfillment of self' is so fulfilling as a being...that the true message is not seen or sought.
Often, things like 'ascension' are 'attractive' to people...the 'ego' is filled with the idea that one may be worthy of something another is
not...and then words get used like 'sheeple' which is a belittling action that a spiritual person would not partake of.
Inner growth....is not necessarily...a spiritual experience...but it is, a conscious experience. It also is not void of ego...because to claim you
'know' something...is the personal self of you talking...it is your 'ego' that claims to 'know ' anything at all.
I see those that see great things happening to mankind on a level that seems 'great'....but yet they still dont think its obviously great
enough...for they still wait some magical transformation that makes no sense what so ever in this world we observe. They await to have a world that
what ever they ask for or need is just given to them...and this makes no sense what so ever. There is no reason to assume such a existence 'is'.
Even those that I have witnessed having NDE...do not just wish or need something and it just be there.
To think any of us are ready for an existence where we just 'want' for something and we get that....is what I call 'being attracted' to blissful
thinking. Sure, its a nice thought...but what growth or worth would there be in such an existence? How can you enjoy such a bliss...knowing that all
others that are of this 'same spirit' that you all claim to know is of all things...are still struggling, are still not 'seeing', and who still
need strong souls to 'lead the way'. Can you all be like the Buddha who you keep quoting...and refuse heaven without all the other 'parts of
spirit/you' who have not 'gotten it yet'?
If all is Spirit....and you knowing you are Spirit...do you really think the choice of 'the life of Spirit' is going to go enjoy a 'bliss for
self' while so many others in Spirit are still 'lost'? Are you really in 'be-ing' of service to Spirit....or are you in service to 'self' and
just denying this?
There is work here to be done. What is your hurry for the 'happiness of self' to move on, to ascend, to leave those that need you the most'?
Do you really think those like Jesus or Buddha went on to have 'bliss' while the others of Spirit are still here? Wasnt it Jesus who said there was
no glory to be found, if it was only 'self glory' that he would gain? Wasnt he out to find glory for the all...which would be one in spirit?
A few have came on this thread to point out to some of you...you are caught in the saintly phase. Eastern mystics say that this is the level most
westerners get stuck in, because having experiences is 'fulfilling of self'. Often, those that are seeking things of Spiritual nature...have a past
of lacking loved in their life, having depression, having huge fears, having a 'void' in their life..and often, their experiences will show them
this and teach them about their 'self desires, self attractions, self fears'...and can help them understand and distinguish between what is the
'self' (the illusion) and what is the Spirit (our true self).
There is a great opening of the human mind going on...and dont ever think that every religion, every lie, every single event in human history...does
not have its place in the big picture of things. Many want to talk about the elite hiding things or lying to people. All things have their place and
nothing is by mistake or should not of been.
Each religion has its place for that time, culture, and people. Just because it may be loosing its place in our present time, does not mean it did not
or does not still, have its place. Everything gives us something to weigh and measure.
We are seeing a 'age' where man is moving out of religion and moving out of the box. Yes, this is a great thing to witness and be a part of. But are
you going to be disappointed if that is all it is? If certain dates pass by without some great parting or door opening to a new 'world' are you
going to be able to handle that?
As I learned between the 'wants of self' and nature of spirit...I saw the reasons I was attracted to ideas like a date of 2012 and ascension. I can
only say, as I learned more about the nature of spirit and nature of 'self'....in spirit, it had no worry of dates of leaving this world. In
fact....in spirit, I was being prepared for this world more and more. The self sought home somewhere else, somewhere that filled my attractions of the
self, my desires that resonated so much with fancy words and nice thoughts of bliss. In Spirit....home was within me, within all beings that are
here...it was not a place or dimension...but was a state of 'being'. The kingdom was within.
There are truths that spiritual people and mature logical people can agree on.
Those things are not 'unseen'. They are noticing that we all effect eachother. When someone is selfish...it effects another. When someone 'gives'
where its needed...there is worth in 'being'. When someone offers understanding to those that 'know not what they do' and forgives them offering
them their own personal space to grow in their own time and way...be it spiritual or not...there is worth.
A common ground is important and a common ground that we can all stand on is as a world divided in pride or greed...we will fall.
We should not be here bickering about something that is unseen by some, and then claiming its truth. Have you ever tried to explain unconditional love
to someone that has never had it? Love is unseen....until you have experienced it.
There are mental illnesses that do cause delusions and the way these delusions occur is through the unconscious mind sending messages to the conscious
mind and images that are already in the unconscious mind are the avenues of these experiences/messages. The mind works in mysterious ways and be
careful to not get caught up in 'experiences' that can not be validated as truth by all people, even by those all that claim to be 'awake'.
Thousands of years ago...many had experiences of 'angels' coming to them. Angels, were a image, that was popularly conceived, and it became a image
in the unconscious mind of man. This image was used between the unconsciousness and consciousness to 'work things out' and often these workings were
about showing the 'self' what their personal attractions were. Today, with the popular notion of extraterrestrials...many are having experiences of
aliens. Has the messenger really changed? Did angels go extinct? Maybe...they really did go extinct, in the minds of man that is....replaced with the
new image that mankind has been attracted to...which is aliens.
In a world that nothing is 'as it seems'...I would never place absolute 'knowing' on anything. Its funny, as I learned about in mental patients
how the mind uses preconceived images to communicate things to the consciousness....and as I went back through all my personal experiences of visions
and messages...I found things that the Spirit was trying to show me about 'self'...things I needed to work on.
I understand...visions can seem very very real. But dont forget...mental patients do have very very real delusions and often the delusions are
connected to their personal attractions and fears. I have a good friend that is very schizophrenic and if he does not take medication he falls apart
quickly. He has 7 different 'beings' to him...of both genders even. He has one that he says is not a part of him, and is beyond the 7, and he says
its a alien that just wants to observe him. This is not uncommon for these people...for many many others say they have a 'higher outside'
being/spirit/angel/alien that is there to 'keep them in line'. Often, when the main personalities of these patients falls apart and there needs to
be a personality that can swoop in and take hold of what is going on, it is this higher spirit/angel/alien self that has the full capabilities to come
into them and 'fix' everything.
Im not trying to disregard experiences...for mine have changed many things in my life. But ultimately...what I found to be important from them...was
what kind of things they led me to live for, what kind of being they showed me I was, what was my personal desires and what was the nature of the
spirit within me...and what then was I going to live for.
Many spiritual people...focus on the things that all spiritual people can not agree on as a 'truth'. The Spirit of me does not lead me in anyway for
another dimension, for ascension, for any certain date of importance, for seeing myself as any 'more' then anything else of 'life'. So those that
call 2012 truth...ascension truth...ect....I, being a spiritual person...must disagree of such things. So are you going to say Im not awake...that I
have not seen....that Im just not paying attention enough?
Are you really going to say that its I that am not seeing...and only yourself that is?
My beliefs...and experiences...are only a truth to me. I would never, ever, call them a truth for another or tell another that if they are not
experiencing it or do not 'just know' it....that they are 'blind to truth'.
Focus on what we all can see...which is the worth of love, compassion, working together, and putting things we cant prove to one another...aside.
If you have had an experience that has made you a better person for this world we are in NOW....then great. The world needs this. If spiritual
experiences are going to lead people to being able to work together, see the worth of unity here and now....see the worth in acceptance of each-other
with unconditional love and no judgments or belittling of where one is at with their own being...then great...we need this in the world.
I believe in Spirit. But I also, believe in humanity. For right now..this is where the Spirit is showing me with my own two eyes...that Thee is. I
dont worry about any other dimension or world for I see too much work in Spirit to be done here. The ego is attracted to things for the
'self'....the 'soul' will be attracted to harmony, in all things of Spirit.
None of use saying we have had spiritual experiences...should be holding ourselves over another. There is no 'better' then another...for we all,
what ever path we are on...are serving a purpose for ONE. The IAM is manifested/emanating through the expression of us all...believers and non
believers...spiritual awareness and no spiritual awareness. The path that is not plays just as much of a part of it all then the path that is.
Be the things that matter here and now. We can all talk alot about things we can not prove to anyone....but we can be doing much more and that is
'being' of love, kindness, compassion, empathy, and acceptance.
Experiences are personal....and we should not claim them as a universal truth. Isnt this what the religions did? They took personal experiences and
then claimed them as a universal truth? They called those out that did not believe in it or was not also having similar experiences?
Live the nature that is of Spirit....which is a 'being' that is not concerned with many things of the self, like ascension or 'knowing' more then
another. Be-ing....with all others....is of Spirit.
People want to talk of things in the past like beings from the sky as if it is also some kind of fact. Personal experiences have alot to do with what
the conscious mind is already attracted to....because for the Spirit to come through the unconscious mind, it has to use something that is already
there, personally. If one is attracted to aliens, then this avenue will likely be used. If one is attracted to the idea of a 'army of god' or
'warriors angels'...then its likely this avenue will be used. Under all the 'images'...is a message. Something the Spirit is trying to show the
'self'....of its intellectual mind, of the personal personality of that persona and their personal attractions of wants and needs on a very personal
Dont get too caught up in the 'saintly level' that is very fulfilling to only, the 'self'.