Judge strikes down healthcare reform law

Judge strikes down healthcare reform law

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(Reuters) - A federal judge in Florida struck down President Barack Obama's landmark healthcare overhaul as unconstitutional on Monday, in the biggest legal challenge yet to federal authority to enact the law.

U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson, appointed to the bench by Republican President Ronald Reagan, ruled that the reform law's so-called individual mandate went too far in requiring that Americans start buying health insurance in 2014 or pay a penalty.

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This, I'm sure, will continue to be the subject of heated debate and division, both amongst "leaders" as well as the general populace at large.

My own personal take on this was this was a FORCED servitude being imposed upon the masses, courtesy of the medical INSURANCE giants, making them literally like overlords of americans to HAVE to pay exorbitant monthly fees to them, or risk penalty and or / jail.

But I know there are many who would disagree with myself, and this decision.

Violation of constitutional law and freedom? Yes? Or No?

Either way, this second strike down of this is HUGE imho.

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Late to the party with this one...


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Definitely a violation of the Constitution. How could there be any doubt?

Critics just can't make up their minds. Initially, McCarthiests (fueled by pharma-folk, I'm sure) were crying about the possibility of making insurance a state-owned operation as it should be. People thought it was "socialist" so then it was changed to keep privatization but now it's "unconstitutional".

Why are we the only nation who thinks encouraging insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to drag out and prolong illnesses/treatments is a great idea?! Healthcare should never have been privatized. We have socialized mail, school, libraries, road work, civil services, etc, etc... people don't realize that we ARE socialist. And it's not a bad thing. Why do the uneducated believe that medicine is the one area that is keeping us from being labeled "socialist"? Personally, I don't like the fact that somebody makes a profit from me not getting better which is how profit-driven medicine works.

Originally posted by Cuervo
\Why are we the only nation who thinks encouraging insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to drag out and prolong illnesses/treatments is a great idea?! Healthcare should never have been privatized.

We have socialized mail,

Which cannot support itself and is constantly losing money. Private companies have sprung up that do a much better job.

school,

Which are failing our children in droves and bankrupting the localities they serve.

road work,

I am sorry, have you driven on our roads lately? The only people who truly love our roads are mechanics.

civil services, etc, etc...

in almost every instance you could name, government bureaucracy ruins the services you tout as evidence of the superiority of socialism.

people don't realize that we ARE socialist. And it's not a bad thing.

I disagree. It is an awful thing.

Why do the uneducated believe that medicine is the one area that is keeping us from being labeled "socialist"?

Most people don't believe that. Most of the people I know see the inefficiency and corruption prevalent in the other areas you mention and recoil in horror at the thought of government controlling their health care.

Personally, I don't like the fact that somebody makes a profit from me not getting better which is how profit-driven medicine works.

I agree with you here. Somehow medicine became a business. I blame the insurance companies. Before health insurance, which came about due to wage and price controls instituted by FDR, doctors cared. They made housecalls and really got to know their patients. Look at what we have now and know that government interference in the freemarket caused it.

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Well since "insurance" is what all this boils down to, I'll consider my lot thrown in with yours. The only alternatives to having privatized insurance would be either state-owned health care or simply make it a pay-for service like a mechanic. You seem to prefer the latter of the two. The thing is that in both of those scenarios, your taxes will help subsidize the care costs for those who cannot afford it. In my opinion, getting rid of insurance should be the number one priority. If you do that with socialism or private subsidized billing, it all comes out the same to me. The Insurance/pharma relationship is one of the greatest evils to grace capitalism.

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ATS allows the same topic to be posted both in Breaking Alternative News and another section. I'm not sure when people are going to get this through their heads and stop acting like moderators.

Anyway, this judge's efforts will be in vain. The powers that be get what the powers that be want. No matter what has to be done, and no matter how long it takes, if they want it to happen, it will happen.

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I prefer a pay for service with no government subsidy for anybody.

I just wonder where they plan on getting all the money from, in order to give an entire nation cheap medical ins? We've probably aready spent billions just talking about it. I have a feeling this will all be for nada in the end.