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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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www.iscariots.com...

Forbidding the organization to exist proved to be efficient on short-term because many social, political and cultural personalities joined the order. Actually, members of the Masonic cult started to worry because many of their people decided to join the Illuminati, increasing their prestige and power. It appears that Goethe and Herder were members of the Illuminati. Feared and forbidden to exist in 1785, the Illuminati found refuge in the United States where it saw a new beginning. Today, the order is present everywhere around the world and won the sympathies of passionate researchers of conspiracies. Even so, nobody was able to draw a concrete line between legend and truth when it comes to the secret organization called Illuminati, which has a lot of copies all around the world.




posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Your source doesn't seem to cite its sources, or offer anything more than speculation. We have quite enough of that here already.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by LUXUS
“I have been convinced that we, as an Order, have come under the power of some very evil occult Order, profoundly versed in science, both occult and otherwise, though not infallible, their methods being black magic, that is to say, electromagnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Order is being controlled by some Sun Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that Order itself. .....…we must from this moment dissolve the whole Order”
Duke of Brunswick, Grand Master of German Freemasonry, 1794


On Republicanism and Dictatorship.


Since the Duke of Brunswick was, to state the obvious, an aristocrat, one must bear in mind that he is writing in 1794, and that the French Revolution had just occurred a few years prior in 1789, where much of the aristocracy were sent to the guillotine. Further, the American Revolutionary war of 1775-1783 had just taken place against the British dictatorship (monarchy) of King George III.

Apart from the French and the American Republics, the general system of government in that era was that of the dictatorship of the aristocracy. The European aristocracy were terrified of the Jacobins (French Republicans) and feared their loss of their power, and for the loss of their lives, should Republican revolutions sweep through Europe.

Thus when a landed aristocrat in 1794 speaks of the "evil" within Masonry, he is no doubt speaking about the "evil Republicans" who had, in that era, allegedly partly infiltrated Masonry.

In the 21st century, the Christian conspiracy theorists are reviving this view, since the political ideology of Christianity is that of theocratic (God government) monarchy (i.e., the global dictatorship of a genocidal "king of kings," who causes a global apocalyptic war and exterminates all non believers), and thus their vile religion necessitates an evangelical Anti-Republicanism and the return to the primitive barbarism of theocratic dictatorship.

It would be almost impossible for any foreign power to "invade" America, but the conditions appear to be unfolding for the internal destruction of the American Republic and the vile abomination of Christianity appears to be part of this "Trojan Horse."

With regards to "Evil Republicans" infiltrating Freemasonry; Masonry in the UK is an institution of old monied aristocrats, bankers, mercenaries and Capitalists who seem to be mostly monarchists, and who would be more likely to fight to the death for their tyrant to stop Britain ever ecoming a Republic; in fact officers in the Queen's army, the police, the judiciary, the Queen's pariliament and in numerous other government roles are required to swear oaths of allegiance to our current tyrant; further Masonry "is" anyway a Messianic cult in itself, and thus part of the problem.

With regards to the American Freemasons, I think that it is safe to say that a person who joins a cult whose "overt" puppet cult leader is the Duke of Kent (H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth's cousin), who is 28th in succession to the throne of England (i.e., if the other 27 people are killed, he would be king), has already betrayed the American Republic and can mostly be assumed to be loyal to their overt monarchist cult leader and their covert Messianic King, and to be defenders of the economic and military aristocracy to a certain extent.

Further consider my essay "In Defence of Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati (www.abovetopsecret.com... )," where I argue that the Masonic infiltration of the radical politics of the 18th century Illuminists has been a total failure, and further consider also the fact that many Freemasons appear to agree with this analysis.

Anyway, since the introduction of the Patriot Act, which is the American equivalent of the Nazi's "Enabling Act" and the Reichstag Fire Decree," which grants a US dictator virtually the same powers as Hilter, all it would take is some national emergency, war, the inevitable retaliation by militant Muslims, or some US military false flag to turn America into a military dictatorship under martial law. I suspect that just as in Nazi Germany there will be US Nationalists who will be willing to fight for such a dictatorship, and that there will be those who will militantly oppose it, but many are likely to succumb to propaganda which entwines patriotism and nationalism with military dictatorship .

If the Christian "conspiracy theory" that Masonry has been infiltrated by radical politics of the Illuminist Republicans were true, it would be a good thing, but unfortunately it does not seem to be the case; and if the Christians are complaining about the possibility of the destruction of the American Republic, I don't understand why they are complaining; surely absolute tyranny is what they want? It just goes to establish that a religionist can be comfortable with holding two contradictory views at the same time, and that confusion is considered a virtue to them.

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state............. As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also." Thomas Jefferson

Unfortunately the American Republicans (and I do not refer to the US political party by the same name, but to a political ideology) are likely to have a fight on their hands, since the armies of tyranny (i.e., the Christians, Freemasons, the US military, etc) are many, and have long been preparing for the imposition of such tyranny; fortunately there are more guns in the US than there are people.

The allegedly diabolical covert Illuminists who allegedly infiltrated Masonry in the 18th century are long dead, but their memory is not forgotten and they have given birth to the armies of the myriads of opponents of economic tyranny around the world, the socialists, the Anarchists, the Neomarxists and assorted Republicans. It may be convenient for the acolytes of the enemy of humankind (i.e., God) to believe that Masonry is a cult of Republicans, anti-monarchists and socialists, but the evidence does not seem to suggest this at all; on the contrary

Lux
"Advocatus diaboli Horriblus"




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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by Lucifer777
Since the Duke of Brunswick was, to state the obvious, an aristocrat, one must bear in mind that he is writing in 1794, and that the French Revolution had just occurred a few years prior in 1789, where much of the aristocracy were sent to the guillotine. Further, the American Revolutionary war of 1775-1783 had just taken place against the British dictatorship (monarchy) of King George III.


The quote is a hoax originally perpeptrated by Nesta Hestor, a British Nazi sympathizer, and furthered by Michael Tsarion.


Apart from the French and the American Republics, the general system of government in that era was that of the dictatorship of the aristocracy. The European aristocracy were terrified of the Jacobins (French Republicans) and feared their loss of their power, and for the loss of their lives, should Republican revolutions sweep through Europe.

Thus when a landed aristocrat in 1794 speaks of the "evil" within Masonry, he is no doubt speaking about the "evil Republicans" who had, in that era, allegedly partly infiltrated Masonry.


As the remainder of your premise is based on that quote it can only be supposition that these were the sentiments of the Duke of Brunswick. I would allow that the ruling aristocracy would be hostile or suspicious of any intitution that threatened their hold on power.


It would be almost impossible for any foreign power to "invade" America, but the conditions appear to be unfolding for the internal destruction of the American Republic and the vile abomination of Christianity appears to be part of this "Trojan Horse."


Examples?


With regards to the American Freemasons, I think that it is safe to say that a person who joins a cult whose "overt" puppet cult leader is the Duke of Kent (H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth's cousin), who is 28th in succession to the throne of England (i.e., if the other 27 people are killed, he would be king), has already betrayed the American Republic and can mostly be assumed to be loyal to their overt monarchist cult leader and their covert Messianic King, and to be defenders of the economic and military aristocracy to a certain extent.


That is an odd statement since I could care less if the Queen fell down a well. I think it is comical that the citizens of the United Kingdom still dote over the inbred mess that is the Royal Family.


Anyway, since the introduction of the Patriot Act, which is the American equivalent of the Nazi's "Enabling Act" and the Reichstag Fire Decree," which grants a US dictator virtually the same powers as Hilter, all it would take is some national emergency, war, the inevitable retaliation by militant Muslims, or some US military false flag to turn America into a military dictatorship under martial law. I suspect that just as in Nazi Germany there will be US Nationalists who will be willing to fight for such a dictatorship, and that there will be those who will militantly oppose it, but many are likely to succumb to propaganda which entwines patriotism and nationalism with military dictatorship .


I think you overstate the reach of the Patroit Act. This line of thnking is eerily similar to those who feel FEMA will one day take over the country and place everyone in an interment/death camp.


Unfortunately the American Republicans (and I do not refer to the US political party by the same name, but to a political ideology) are likely to have a fight on their hands, since the armies of tyranny (i.e., the Christians, Freemasons, the US military, etc) are many, and have long been preparing for the imposition of such tyranny; fortunately there are more guns in the US than there are people.


You over generalize again. I am a patroit first and a Mason much farther down the list of things that I would call myself.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Lucifer777

You idolize a terrorist and yet you have the balls to criticize us?!


God I hate seeing Che as some stupid adolescent's heroic figure. He was a Stalinist (Stalin having murdered over 20-million of his own people) and a brutal fanatic. He choreographed the death of Batista's officials without trial or evidence of guilt (other than guilty by association). He opposed many freedoms commonly seen in today's world. Just look at the blood trail thoughout S America and Africa.


"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

Some hero.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Lucifer777
Since the Duke of Brunswick was, to state the obvious, an aristocrat, one must bear in mind that he is writing in 1794, and that the French Revolution had just occurred a few years prior in 1789, where much of the aristocracy were sent to the guillotine. Further, the American Revolutionary war of 1775-1783 had just taken place against the British dictatorship (monarchy) of King George III.


The quote is a hoax originally perpeptrated by Nesta Hestor, a British Nazi sympathizer, and furthered by Michael Tsarion.


Yes I was just reading www.book-of-thoth.com...
The quote is allegedly in Hestor's book but he does not attribute it to Brunswick; so the attribution to it Brunswick is clearly made up.

However the general thesis of Robison's book is quite similar; I think that Tsarion could just have quoted similar passages from Robison and made the same point without using the passage above




Apart from the French and the American Republics, the general system of government in that era was that of the dictatorship of the aristocracy. The European aristocracy were terrified of the Jacobins (French Republicans) and feared their loss of their power, and for the loss of their lives, should Republican revolutions sweep through Europe.

Thus when a landed aristocrat in 1794 speaks of the "evil" within Masonry, he is no doubt speaking about the "evil Republicans" who had, in that era, allegedly partly infiltrated Masonry.


As the remainder of your premise is based on that quote it can only be supposition that these were the sentiments of the Duke of Brunswick. I would allow that the ruling aristocracy would be hostile or suspicious of any intitution that threatened their hold on power.


Yes I concede the point on Brunswick, but there certainly seem to have been many Jacobins (French Republicans) who were also Freemasons, just as there were Masonic aristocrats, so I think that Robinson's thesis is probably correct that the Jacobins and Illuminists were a radical influnce in 18th century Masonry and that the pro-aristocracy Masons were probably threatened by that.

This influence of Republican and Socialist politics seems to be no longer part of British Masonry; they are generally rather Right Wing monarchists.



It would be almost impossible for any foreign power to "invade" America, but the conditions appear to be unfolding for the internal destruction of the American Republic and the vile abomination of Christianity appears to be part of this "Trojan Horse."


Examples?


Well, to restate (I seem to be continually making this point), 40% of US Christians are allegedly waiting for a global theocratic dictator to appear and to kill off all the unbeleivers. Christ of course is a "King (a dictator)" and Biblical law has nothing to do with Republicanism or modern ideas about democracy. A Christian is by default a monarchist. Christianity is just a form of Neofascism and the US Christian Right equate socialism with Satanism; they are not a progressive force at all. By "Trojan horse," I mean that you have a wonderful Republican constitution and yet you have millions of religious fanatics who believe in absolute tyranny, and there is no bigger tyrant or enemy of humankind than God.



With regards to the American Freemasons, I think that it is safe to say that a person who joins a cult whose "overt" puppet cult leader is the Duke of Kent (H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth's cousin), who is 28th in succession to the throne of England (i.e., if the other 27 people are killed, he would be king), has already betrayed the American Republic and can mostly be assumed to be loyal to their overt monarchist cult leader and their covert Messianic King, and to be defenders of the economic and military aristocracy to a certain extent.


That is an odd statement since I could care less if the Queen fell down a well. I think it is comical that the citizens of the United Kingdom still dote over the inbred mess that is the Royal Family.


Well I am just kind of testing the water with the American Masons; most of you probably get all teary eyed when you think of the blood your ancestors shed in the War of Independence and many of you probably revere the US constitution; the US constitution is a landmark in the history of politics; but unfortunately the Patriot Act, if it is ever introduced would negate your constitution. However since you are a Capitalist gang, I doubt that it would make much difference to most of you whether you live in a Capitalist Fascist dictatorship or a constitutional republic.



Anyway, since the introduction of the Patriot Act, which is the American equivalent of the Nazi's "Enabling Act" and the Reichstag Fire Decree," which grants a US dictator virtually the same powers as Hilter, all it would take is some national emergency, war, the inevitable retaliation by militant Muslims, or some US military false flag to turn America into a military dictatorship under martial law. I suspect that just as in Nazi Germany there will be US Nationalists who will be willing to fight for such a dictatorship, and that there will be those who will militantly oppose it, but many are likely to succumb to propaganda which entwines patriotism and nationalism with military dictatorship .


I think you overstate the reach of the Patroit Act.


In what way?


This line of thnking is eerily similar to those who feel FEMA will one day take over the country and place everyone in an interment/death camp.


Well it is disturbing. All those empty prison camps. And there is no point just repeating US government propaganda on what they are for; the US government has no crediblity when it comes to telling the truth. They have spent 100's of millions on these camps; they are obviously for a purpose.




Unfortunately the American Republicans (and I do not refer to the US political party by the same name, but to a political ideology) are likely to have a fight on their hands, since the armies of tyranny (i.e., the Christians, Freemasons, the US military, etc) are many, and have long been preparing for the imposition of such tyranny; fortunately there are more guns in the US than there are people.


You over generalize again. I am a patroit first and a Mason much farther down the list of things that I would call myself.


Well I am very pleased to hear that. However there are patriots and patriots. The Geman Communists and Nazis both considered themselves to be patriots. There are US patriots who would probably accept a dictatorship and still consider themselves a patriot.


Lux

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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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In a world where USA believes war is peace and starvation is freedom .
You find out that who you thought were allies were enemies and vice versa .

North America has forever meddled and tried to control South America .
I d rather have Bolivarian style government than the crap we have in the so called "democratic" western world .

Oh and Simon Bolivar was a master mason .




posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Lucifer777
Yes I was just reading www.book-of-thoth.com...
The quote is allegedly in Hestor's book but he does not attribute it to Brunswick; so the attribution to it Brunswick is clearly made up.


Agreed, and for what it is worth Webstor is a she.


However the general thesis of Robison's book is quite similar; I think that Tsarion could just have quoted similar passages from Robison and made the same point without using the passage above


It could have been possible although the misuse of quotes always leads me to be suspicious of anyones thesis.


Yes I concede the point on Brunswick, but there certainly seem to have been many Jacobins (French Republicans) who were also Freemasons, just as there were Masonic aristocrats, so I think that Robinson's thesis is probably correct that the Jacobins and Illuminists were a radical influnce in 18th century Masonry and that the pro-aristocracy Masons were probably threatened by that.


I concur. Anything (action, movement, philosophy, etc.) that upsets the status quo or seems 'radical' will always engender fear, anger or agression to those who are not open to the new ideals.


This influence of Republican and Socialist politics seems to be no longer part of British Masonry; they are generally rather Right Wing monarchists.


As I do not know any British Masons I can not comment one way or the other. I do however find anyone who adheres to a monarchist sentimentality to be rather backwards in their thought process as the whole system is stiffiling to human liberties.


Well, to restate (I seem to be continually making this point), 40% of US Christians are allegedly waiting for a global theocratic dictator to appear and to kill off all the unbeleivers. Christ of course is a "King (a dictator)" and Biblical law has nothing to do with Republicanism or modern ideas about democracy. A Christian is by default a monarchist. Christianity is just a form of Neofascism and the US Christian Right equate socialism with Satanism; they are not a progressive force at all. By "Trojan horse," I mean that you have a wonderful Republican constitution and yet you have millions of religious fanatics who believe in absolute tyranny, and there is no bigger tyrant or enemy of humankind than God.


But they are offset by the growing number of non-practicing or non-religious persons who diametrically oppose their view. The two sides in practice seem to cancel each other out leaving the middle, or politically moderately stanced persons, to dictate the direction of the country. I am not a fan of the hard right or left. Both in large doses are very dangerous.


Well I am just kind of testing the water with the American Masons; most of you probably get all teary eyed when you think of the blood your ancestors shed in the War of Independence and many of you probably revere the US constitution; the US constitution is a landmark in the history of politics; but unfortunately the Patriot Act, if it is ever introduced would negate your constitution. However since you are a Capitalist gang, I doubt that it would make much difference to most of you whether you live in a Capitalist Fascist dictatorship or a constitutional republic.


Since I am first generation on my mothers side and second on my fathers I can not claim my ancestors fought in the War of Independence. As someone who does study history I do however appreciate the great fortitiude that the persons involved in the struggle made. I often wonder if future generations would be so willing to sacrifice in the same manner. I personally would be willing to fight to keep this a constitutional republic.


In what way?


That it does not affect United States citizens as much as non-citizens. It is far less intrusive then people give it credit for.


Well it is disturbing. All those empty prison camps. And there is no point just repeating US government propaganda on what they are for; the US government has no crediblity when it comes to telling the truth. They have spent 100's of millions on these camps; they are obviously for a purpose.


I hope you are being fascetious. You did not strike me as someone who buys into the internet hysteria over this nonesense.


Well I am very pleased to hear that. However there are patriots and patriots...There are US patriots who would probably accept a dictatorship and still consider themselves a patriot.


I am sure there are but then they are not my type of patriot. Whether they wish to have a theocratic or autocratic dictatorship.



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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason

Originally posted by Lucifer777

You idolize a terrorist and yet you have the balls to criticize us?!



In war, one has to terrorise one's enemies; the US state terrorists / narco-terrorists know that very well; they have been terrorising Latin America since the end of WW2 with numerous Neo-fascist CIA backed coups, and their endless international Imperialistic wars.



God I hate seeing Che as some stupid adolescent's heroic figure.


Abuse is common and unworthy of response.


He was a Stalinist (Stalin having murdered over 20-million of his own people) and a brutal fanatic.


Stalin was a lunatic. However the Cubans were not genocidal to the same degree. Cuba was run by gangs of armed thugs which ran casinos, brothels and banks; you cannot wave a peace flag at a gangster; you have to shoot them.


He choreographed the death of Batista's officials without trial or evidence of guilt (other than guilty by association).


"A revolution is not a Tea Party;" it is a military campaign. However consider the treatment of US prisioners in Iraq; it is just one big torture party; similarly with many CIA backed revolutions in Latin America; you have remember of course that the Cuban Communists had previously been victims of Batista's torturers. The firing squad is a perfectly humane method of execution.


He opposed many freedoms commonly seen in today's world.


Ah the freedom to not have socialised medicine; the freedom to live in America's crime infested ghettos; the freedom to get rich in an inpoverished world.


Just look at the blood trail thoughout S America and Africa.


This is why there is often no point in debating with an evangelical Capitalist. If I spoke of the death toll of America's post WW2 military excursions and their trail of blood throughout Latin America or the 200 million people who are always on the brink of starvation, it would not make any difference to you; bloodshed to advance Capitalist revolution is always justifiable and bloodshed resisting Capitalism or in socialist revolutions is always unjustifiable; this is why Communism has to be a militant ideology; because the Capitalists are militant; "revolution from the barrel of a gun..by all means necessary" is just as much a Communist mantra as a Capitalist mantra.

And with regards to "Africa" you probably mean the war between Cuban backed Angola and the Apartheid regime of South Africa; again I am sure you would justify all the bloodshed by the South Africans and I would take a contrary position; there is an ideological divide which cannot be resolved by citing death statistics; since Capitalism is a militant and genocidal ideology, future wars and revolutions with be the only solution.


"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara


I love that quote; I use it all the time. War is a revolution; war is war. The point is to defeat one's enemies with even greater militancy. What do you think they teach the US army grunts? How to love their enemies. No they teach them how to kill them.



Operating guidance issued to CIA operatives in Chile on 16 October 1970 explicitly stated US aims:

It is firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup. It would be much preferable to have this transpire prior to 24 October but efforts in this regard will continue vigorously beyond this date.




In the 1973 Chilean coup, Pinochet arrested 30,000 Leftists many of whom were raped and tortured horribly and 10,000 dissapeared, but it would not matter to you if it were 100,000, since there is no amount of blood that an ideological anti-Communist will bother about if it promotes militant Capitalism



Some hero.



Yes the Left have different heroes to the Freemasons. You have the Duke of Kent and we have heroes who are the anti-thesis of such aristocrats.


Lux

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Originally posted by Doomzilla
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In a world where USA believes war is peace and starvation is freedom .
You find out that who you thought were allies were enemies and vice versa .

North America has forever meddled and tried to control South America .
I d rather have Bolivarian style government than the crap we have in the so called "democratic" western world .

Oh and Simon Bolivar was a master mason .



Well life is quite good in the Western world; our supermarkets are all full of imported products from some of the the poorest nations on earth. Probably more than half the population of the First World is obese, while the hundreds of millions of people starve. It will probably always be this way if food is just a Capitalist commodity.

You can talk statistics with an anti-Communist all day long; it does not matter how much blood the Americans and their puppet governments shed in Latin America, or how much suffering they cause; as long as they can continue to be obese.




Venezuela coup linked to Bush teamSpecialists in the 'dirty wars' of the Eighties encouraged the plotters who tried to topple President Chavez

The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, The Observer has established. They have long histories in the 'dirty wars' of the 1980s, and links to death squads working in Central America at that time. Washington's involvement in the turbulent events that briefly removed left-wing leader Hugo Chavez from power last weekend resurrects fears about US ambitions in the hemisphere.

It also also deepens doubts about policy in the region being made by appointees to the Bush administration, all of whom owe their careers to serving in the dirty wars under President Reagan.
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'The most reactionary sectors in the United States were also implicated in the conspiracy,' he said.

www.guardian.co.uk...



Essentially the ideological Capitalists do not believe in democracy; they believe in Capitalism, and if a Socialist like Chavez is elected in a state whose oil they control, they will just try to remove them.

This is essentially also the ideology of Freemasonry; it is Fascism purely and simply; it is a devotion to the God of Capitalism; it is Capitalist Revolution by all means necessary; thus if the US was a Fascist Capitalist dictatorship it would no make any differnece to them, just as it has made no dfference to them in Latin America; they are not democrats, they are not republicans; they are just Fascists; and I mean this in the ideological sense, not just a derogatory remark. Allende was a socialist and democratically elected and the CIA wanted to get rid of him, and replace him with a fascist dictatorship with genocidal consequences; similarly the Americans wanted to get rid of Chaves who was elected as a Socialist and replace him with a dictatorship; this is just the strategy of Fascists.

Lux

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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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" In war, one has to terrorise one's enemies; the US state terrorists / narco-terrorists know that very well; they have been terrorising Latin America since the end of WW2 with numerous Neo-fascist CIA backed coups, and their endless international Imperialistic wars."



I couldn't agree more .
Being half Spanish myself , I have researched this topic and have been disgusted with what I found .
The leaders of Latin America know first hand what life is like under a US backed dictatorship .
They risked their lives standing side by side on the battlefields with their fellow soldiers to remove these brutal regimes .
When they achieved this thet decided to put THEIR countries first not Imperial Usa 's needs and this is why the elite hate the Latin American leaders so much .



"The devil was here yesterday and it still smells like sulphur ".
Hugo Chavez speaking about George Bush .



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
The quote is a hoax originally perpeptrated by Nesta Hestor, a British Nazi sympathizer, and furthered by Michael Tsarion.
Do you mean Nesta Webster?



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Yes, that is who I meant.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
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Yes, that is who I meant.

Us southern Masons know our Nestea... (That's the latin plural of Nesta, right?)
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Us southern Masons know our Nestea... (That's the latin plural of Nesta, right?)


You have my sympathy Brother.

In New Jersey you need to be 21 years old to become a member, hopefully your arive in a nice bottle like my friend Mr. Balvenie.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

This influence of Republican and Socialist politics seems to be no longer part of British Masonry; they are generally rather Right Wing monarchists.


As I do not know any British Masons I can not comment one way or the other. I do however find anyone who adheres to a monarchist sentimentality to be rather backwards in their thought process as the whole system is stiffiling to human liberties.


Well monarchy etymologically speaking is a mono Archon. One tyrant. Any kind of dictatorship with one rule ressentially. We still have 12 monarchies in Europe; however a dictator still needs to have a government and a legislature. In modern Europe the legislatures are elected, and traidtionally since most people have been rather poor, and the economic elites have been the minority, this has allowed the election of the socialist left and brought numerous reforms.

There is very little difference between living in a republic like France, Germany or Italy and monarchies such as Spain Britain and Holland. We have come a long way since the aristocratic tyrannies of the 18th century and what has occurred is essentially evolutionary socialism within Capitalist dictatorships, rather than revolutionary socialism and State Capitalism.

Of course in the UK candiates such as the Sinn Fein (Irish Republicans) cannot enter parliament as they refuse to swear an oath to the monarch; so Republicans are essentially disempowered and the Queen as the head of the state and the army, is above the law, which as I understand it, effectively makes any form of British military imperialism legal.

Essentially although we have had socialist reforms; a centrial issue, which is the nationalisation of banking has yet to occur and I think that this is what the Capitalists would resist most and fear most, just as the old aristocracy feared the Republicans.

To get back to the subject of the thread "Freemasonry infiltrated by the illuminati at the highest level."
Certainly many Americans have idealistic Republican views, and I would expect some US Masons to have also, but ultimately the Capitlist elites, many of whom, especially in the UK, are Freemasons, are ultimately Fascists; they do not care about socialism, republicanism or whatever, since they firstly and foremostly are Capitalists. US foreign policy since the end of WW2 reflects this also; all they care about is having a puppet fascist dictator who is motivated by Capital.




Well, to restate (I seem to be continually making this point), 40% of US Christians are allegedly waiting for a global theocratic dictator to appear and to kill off all the unbeleivers. Christ of course is a "King (a dictator)" and Biblical law has nothing to do with Republicanism or modern ideas about democracy. A Christian is by default a monarchist. Christianity is just a form of Neofascism and the US Christian Right equate socialism with Satanism; they are not a progressive force at all. By "Trojan horse," I mean that you have a wonderful Republican constitution and yet you have millions of religious fanatics who believe in absolute tyranny, and there is no bigger tyrant or enemy of humankind than God.


But they are offset by the growing number of non-practicing or non-religious persons who diametrically oppose their view. The two sides in practice seem to cancel each other out leaving the middle, or politically moderately stanced persons, to dictate the direction of the country. I am not a fan of the hard right or left. Both in large doses are very dangerous.


I don't see any hope for socialist revolution in America in the short term; to restate, socialism is equated with Satanism to the Christian Right, and the Christian Right are essentially anti-Communists and fascists. They are often the kind of people who will support any form of US imperialism, no matter the price in blood and human suffering, to impose Capitalism.



Well it is disturbing. All those empty prison camps. And there is no point just repeating US government propaganda on what they are for; the US government has no crediblity when it comes to telling the truth. They have spent 100's of millions on these camps; they are obviously for a purpose.


I hope you are being fascetious. You did not strike me as someone who buys into the internet hysteria over this nonesense.


There is political paranoia and there is political gullibility. The politically gullible just passively believe US government state terrorist propaganda. Paranoia is a false fear. I don't think that the "Alex Jones" genre of US Republicans are being paranoid; their fear is not a false fear; they are just not gullible and they know that the US state terrorists have a long history of lying, propagandising, military coups, false flag and various black military operations, assassinations, war, etc. The history of US Imperialism offers evidence beyound all reasonable doubt that the military and economic elites are fascists who could not care elss about Republicanism or the constitution.

I would refer you to the ATS site owner, Skeptic Overlord's post on this on: www.abovetopsecret.com...



There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I have no idea if the 600 figure is correct, but there are certainly many of them. The world's major terrorist state (the USA), with a long and genocidal history of state terrorism has 100's of empty prision camps and the legal framework in place for martial law and absolute dictatorship; anyone who is not worried about that is either unware of it, politically gullible, or treasonably culpable; however since I essentially judge the Masons as primarily Capitalists and Neofascists, I would say that those of them who are on the Internet, informed and yet are in denial about the matter would have to be treasonably culpable, and this just further establishes my postion that they Masons are essentially Neofascists and US state terrorist / narco-terrrorist collabroators; and thus, in my judgement, moally subhuman and unworthy of life

Lux


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posted on Mar, 6 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Yes, Illuminati and Freemasonry came into power relatively publicly at the end of last year.



posted on Mar, 7 2011 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by NinjaSwill
Yes, Illuminati and Freemasonry came into power relatively publicly at the end of last year.

In what way did this occur? Can you please provide something that shows this? I mean, you can't just throw a one liner in and leave it at that. First you must establish a base, connect the dots, and draw a conclusion. You cannot do that with one sentence.



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