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Twenty-Five Arrested, Thousands Converge on Koch Brothers Billionaire's Caucus in the California De

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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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Twenty-Five Arrested, Thousands Converge on Koch Brothers Billionaire's Caucus in the California Desert


www.alternet.org

Twenty-five protesters were arrested in Rancho Mirage, California on Sunday, at a protest in front of the Rancho Las Palmas resort, site of the “Billionaire’s Caucus,” an annual meeting put on by the Koch Brothers and other corporate entities and conservative movement operators.

The Koch Brothers, billionaires who have generously funded conservative and libertarian causes for over a generation – including the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, and tea party groups...
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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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The Koch brothers are, arguably, the leaders of the corporate alliance running the US. They meet regularly with their mega-wealthy allies. The Rancho Mirage get-together this past weekend was about strategizing to win the 2012 elections.

Common Cause organized the protest as an "Uncloaking the Kochs" event. From Rawstory:



For the last 30 years, the Koch brothers, who inherited their wealth from their father's oil interests, have funded a large portion of the conservative movement on issues that promote business over the environmental, labor, and public health concerns.

Recently, David and Charles Koch through their network of foundations and nonprofits outspent ExxonMobile on astroturf campaigns to misinform the American public about climate change legislation.



Anyone disappointed that the US is not keeping up with people on the street in other nations can take comfort in knowing that dissenters are being arrested here too.

Questioning the corporate status quo is definitely a punishable offence - in any nation.





www.alternet.org
(visit the link for the full news article)
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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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Well, for starters this has already been posted.

Second, you wanna take another crack at why the people were arrested?

It was not for dissent..

The legal term your looking for is called TResspassing.

Rule of thumg - dont protest on Private property and you wont be arrested and removed.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Searched for it, didn't find it.

FYI - NOBODY is ever arrested for "dissent" per se - "trespassing" and "congregating without a permit" for example are legal code for questioning the status quo, AKA protesting, dissenting and etc.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow
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Searched for it, didn't find it.

FYI - NOBODY is ever arrested for "dissent" per se - "trespassing" and "congregating without a permit" for example are legal code for questioning the status quo, AKA protesting, dissenting and etc.



Try again... Legal Code is quite clear when it comes to private property. Your Constitutional / Civil rights do not extend onto private property. If you and 15 people go into a Dennysd and protest, you can be forced to leave, cited and or arrested for tresspassing.

The place this meeting occured is on private property. While I respect their right to protest, I dont respect their right to interfere with other peoples plans and business. Protest all you want, just do it in a Public area that is not on private property.

Congregating without a permit falls into the category of a large group of people wanting to protest and in the process, will need more room that just a public sidewalk - aka a street.

Streets are a public right of way, and as such cannot be blocked by protesters. Why? ITs not to deny them their right to protest, its done to protect the rights of those who are not protesting who need to use the street.

Common sense. Not everything is a conspiracy.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Sorry for some reason I thought I added the link in my first post. Here it is.

ATS thread



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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Yup thats - socialists for you - only their billionaires are allowed to inluence politics!

The Kochs vs. Soros: Free markets vs. state coercion

Read more at the Washington Examiner: washingtonexaminer.com...



Billionaires poisoning our politics was the central theme of the protests. But nothing is quite as it seems in modern politics: The protest's organizer, the nonprofit Common Cause, is funded by billionaire George Soros. Common Cause has received $2 million from Soros's Open Society Institute in the past eight years, according to grant data provided by Capital Research Center.

Two panelists at Common Cause's rival conference nearby -- President Obama's former green jobs czar, Van Jones, and blogger Lee Fang -- work at the Center for American Progress, which was started and funded by Soros but, as a 501(c)4 nonprofit "think tank," legally conceals the names of its donors.

In other words, money from billionaire George Soros and anonymous, well-heeled liberals was funding a protest against rich people's influence on politics. Read more at the Washington Examiner: washingtonexaminer.com...



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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Good for the protesters. If I lived in that area I would probably be protesting too, though I agree they should have kept it outside private property. It's not just the Tea Party that is fed up with the state of American politics and government. It's time for the liberals to make their voices heard as well. Ciivil debate on the issues is not grabbing the public's attention and it shouldn't be just the loudmouths who get the attention of the public.

Yes, there are rich liberals too. But they are not the ones pushing for more tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%, including themselves, or other legislation geared only to the interests of the rich. There are actually some very prosperous people who do care about the average citizen and the shrinking middle class. As a rule the Koch brothers do not interest them.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Imagine that, billionares fighting it out and using the common person as their pawn. Then they get their propaganda teams to step in and put up their version of events.

Soros has said he has a messiah complex and believes he could rule the world. He also has a history of inflating nation's currencys and then shorting them. He is not a very nice fellow.

The Koch family is equally evil. They stole millions of dollars of oil and resources off of Native American reservations. The father also bragged to congress that he didn't vote. He basicly said that he doesn't need to vote, he buys the politicians he needs.

Everybody needs to read Chomsky's essays on the role of intellectuals in a society and his work in Manufacturing Consent. Realize that even the so called "alternate media" is a tool of those with an agenda. They will attempt to control what is acceptable belief and conversation through manipulating what is and isn't seen. Then they will use language to further manipulate people's view of the world.
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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Streets are a public right of way, and as such cannot be blocked by protesters. Why? ITs not to deny them their right to protest, its done to protect the rights of those who are not protesting who need to use the street.


Yet if a G-20 meeting comes to your city, count on the most vital portion of the city being shut down and made off limits.

Those same public roads in one case tht must never be blocked from the citizens are not only blocked from the citizens but for the most part stand as empty as the shops that line them, waiting for the occassional motorcade or movement.

Funny how there are two classes of citizens now in the nation, one that can never break any law no matter how noble or wise it's purpose, and one who can break any law in the furtherance of their crimes and perpetuating the institutions that carry them out.

So what makes the average citizen less empowered than the bankers, undustrialists, and polticians?

What makes them so privleged, and the answer is pretty simple, they use the laws to shield them when it favors them through select enforcement and they rely on anal retentive people making silly excuses for them, while they themselves avoid the difficult questions because they know some peon looking to be a psuedo intellectual expert will rush to their defense to validate their own presumption of intelligence and probity.

A Shadow Government does exist that not only has way to large a hand in making the laws that enable their enterprise, but bending local, state, and national governments to suspend the laws when it favors them too.

Ultimately you are going to have to decide which is wiser, breaking some laws and inconveinencing some people in the pursuit of busting up the Shadow Government and their corprorate monopoly appendages, or living under an increasing police state where you must follow every last little code and edict and declaration, that a very small handful of people get to make for their own benefit, and suspend the enforcement of as it pertains to them when it's in their benefit.

There is such a thing as being too clever for one's own good.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Did they actually apply for a permit to block a street or throughway? then get denied? No, probably not.

I'm sure they would have been considered if they did.

Thank God both sides have Billionaires to contradict each other.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by reverandrandy
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Did they actually apply for a permit to block a street or throughway? then get denied? No, probably not.

I'm sure they would have been considered if they did.

Thank God both sides have Billionaires to contradict each other.


FIrst: What permit do you imagine the G-20 applies for that shuts down the entire most vital area of downtown metropolitan cities making it illegal for citizens to enter these zones while they are there?

Which portion of the codes do you imgine they are using to deny cititizens the roads that the citizens pay for, and the right to use them and assemble?

What makes it alright for the G-20 to take over a city to 'conspire' together on how to rig the system, while held at bay by armed henchmen employed to do just that, anyone assembles to protest this collusion and the lack of accountability and disclosure such groups operate under as powers unto themselves are for their troubles in questioning it, blugeoned with drudgeons, douesed with water hoses, bombarded with sound cannons, shot at with tear gas, rubber bullets and bean bags, and infilitrated by henchmen acting as agent provocatuers.

What permit do you think they get for that?

Further what permit do you imaine you need to have, and who is it that gives you permission to take back a land and a government corrupted by fraudelent and criminal elements bent on expanding and perpetuating their power through violence, fraud, theft, force of arms, conspiracy, extortion and every vile form of behavior that is the anti-thesis to good democratic government?

I get that most people don't care, they just want to figure out how to get some food on the table and maintain a roof over their . for another day.

But the truth is the truth, and if you are relying on or waiting on a 'permit' to get 'permission' to do the honest things for the people and the common good that these vile despots won't, then you my friend are going to be waiting a long, long time.

You are in fact not permitted to protest or ask questions or they do shoot rubber bullets, bean bags, and tear gas at you, they will hose you down with a water cannon, they will attempt to break your eardrums with a sound cannon, and they will beat you like a dog with their sticks and fists and feet, and they will tell you that's a good thing and you should be happy they are doing it.

Shame on anyone so naive, ignorant or fearful that they actually parrot that nonsense.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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You are in fact not permitted to protest or ask questions or they do shoot rubber bullets, bean bags, and tear gas at you, they will hose you down with a water cannon, they will attempt to break your eardrums with a sound cannon, and they will beat you like a dog with their sticks and fists and feet, and they will tell you that's a good thing and you should be happy they are doing it.

Shame on anyone so naive, ignorant or fearful that they actually parrot that nonsense.



Some very nice writing and posts PT.


Thanks.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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my 2c

Sounds like 25 protesters stepped onto the resort property, thereby becoming vulnerable to arrest. Whether done intentionally or not is not clear. Although it may not have been this way, there have been instances in larger protests where protesters who are inadvertently shoved off a sidewalk are arrested.

Police helicopters over.. Like the helicopters over the .s of protesters in Egypt. Same here; cause fear. Show who's "in control".

In both Rancho Mirage and Egypt, the reason for the protest is the same. They both are against economic reform done by corrupted leaders to benefit the already wealthy.

haha must laugh....these people have been meeting for years prior in order to ....



“This conference brings together some of our nation's most successful business leaders, job creators and those who make it a priority to support their communities and our country in significant ways,” Nancy Pfotenhauer, a spokeswoman for Koch, said in an e-mail. “The purpose of this conference is to discuss solutions to our most pressing issues and strategies to promote policies that will help grow our economy, foster free enterprise and create American jobs. We respect all Americans' rights to free speech and to peaceably assemble.

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apparently these business leaders and job creators sure have failed in the past years!! Heck of a job, Brownie!

Who're missing at the protest in RM are the hundreds of millions of Americans who have suffered lower wages, unemployment, their wealth looted, their retirement investments dwindled, and all those who can't deny corruption American style, political leaders who need corporate donors more than they need their constituents.

Americans, like Egyptians, have been left out of their nation's economic reforms and know the effect of corruption.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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The next time you want to hold a protest the size of the G-20, get the permit, like the organizers of the G-20 do, and protest it. If you dont want the permit, then use the public sidewalks.

There is a balance between being able to protest, and security for the event.

How do I know protest is alive and well in the US? Because on more than one occasion President Obama has given speeches, and people outside the event were protesting carrying loaded weapons. The Police were notified, and checked on them, and took no action as they stated carrying a loaded weapon in compliance with open carry laws are not illegal.


Also, the G-20 summits take place indoors, which again is private property.

As I said before I have no issues with people protesting. All I ask is to extend the same respect they want to be treated with to others.



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