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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:58 AM
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Hydrogen Peroxide has alot of different uses and benefits available in various percentages and have personally experimented with 35% food grade type in water purification (mostly) with great results though fairly expensive and will always remember to never take an "oxygen" bath in the evening if your wanting to sleep that night (skin is the largest organ ya know) as well as being dangerous if not used or diluted properly even fatal including the common 3% kind



Treating & Healing Cancer With Oxygen, Ozone & Hydrogen Peroxide

Through the action of the flashes of lightning, and the photochemical reaction of the UV light of the sun on atmospheric oxygen, nature produces ozone for the purpose of purifying the air, and to destroy all organic decay upon which disease germs and bacteria thrive.

Oxygen is the most vital element required for human life and it is the key to good health. We can survive without water for a week and go without food for a month, but we can only live a few minutes without oxygen.

The link between insufficient oxygen and disease has been firmly established. Insufficient oxygen can result in anything from mild fatigue to life-threatening disease. Dr. Otto Warburg was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1931 and again in 1944 for discovering the cause of cancer. He said, "Cancer has only one prime cause. The prime cause of cancer is the replacement of normal oxygen respiration of body cells by an anaerobic (oxygen-less) cell respiration." Once the level of oxygen available to a cell drops below 60% of normal, the cell is forced to switch to an inferior method of energy production -- fermentation.

Hydrogen peroxide, the partner to ozone, is more properly called oxygen water, since it is water with an extra oxygen molecule. It is found in rain and snow; the water at Lourdes; in fresh fruit and vegetables; and in clostrum, the first milk that a mother produces, where it provides a defense against infection until the baby's own immune system develops and is able to produce its own hydrogen peroxide. In the body's immune defense, hydrogen peroxide is released by T-cells to destroy invading bacteria, viruses and fungi.

www.healingcancernaturally.com...



When honey is applied to a wound, it is diluted with fluids from the damaged tissue and combines with an enzyme added by the bee to form hydrogen peroxide, the same disinfectant found in pharmacies. The naturally occurring hydrogen peroxide promotes healing and reduces scarring as it is slowly released into the wound. Honey helps to fight off infection in this manner and also reduces the incidences of scarring. www.urbansprout.co.za...



Because H2O2 is an anti-bacterial, anti-viral and anti-fungal solution that stimulates the immune system due to improved oxygenation of the cells, it is able to treat a broad spectrum of diseases and conditions, as this list indicates.

So what's the catch?

Following the H2O2 therapy protocol, with its dos and don'ts, calls for individual discipline that may be too onerous for some. The process of measuring drops and gradually increasing the dosage (and then decreasing it) is certainly not as convenient as popping a few pills!

But considering that conventional medicine does not generally cure ailments but merely masks symptoms, often with disastrous side-effects, it's gratifying that you can restore health and vitality to your body, with a little bit of care and effort, and not break the bank in doing so.

So, use hydrogen peroxide with an awareness and respect of its power, and it will serve you very very well.

www.awesomeorgonite.com...

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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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I disagree with how that excerpt spoke about the work of Otto Warburg. He did not find the cause of cancer - there are many different reasons for cancerous cells to proliferate. Also, he won one nobel prize, not two. The one that he did win (in 1931) was the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his "discovery of the nature and mode of action of the respiratory enzyme". He was nominated for a second one in 1944 relating to work relating to fermentation and the discovery of flavine - but he didn't win it. Secondly, his cancer hypothesis (called the Warburg effect) is not actually accepted as being an underlying cause for all cancers. It certainly accepted that the switch to non-oxidative energy production in cancer cells occurs in a lot of cases, but it is not the cause for the cancer itself. What is known is that cancer arises from mutations in what are called oncogenes, although a fundamental cause for all cancer is yet unknown, if it even exists.

Are you seriously suggesting people consume H2O2 to prevent cancer? Yes, 3% H2O2 is used to clean minor wounds and in dentistry as it stops slow bleeding. However, there is recent evidence to suggest that is actually quite damaging since it prevents scarless healing by virtue of the fact that it destroys newly formed skin cells. H2O2 is a very strong oxidiser. If you were to ingest it and somehow managed to avoid vomiting it all back up, it would form reactive oxygen species, which can damage your DNA, destroy membrane integrity of your cell membranes (can cause cell death in that way), oxidise amino acids in the proteins in your body (this could have any number of affects) and play around with various enzyme catalysed reactions. It is not at all recommended or in any way condoned by medical professionals or institutes such as the American Cancer Society to use this as some form of therapy. It is not safe. Also, it is not more 'proper' to call H2O2 'oxygen water'. That is a layman term and is not the chemically correct name for it. It's IUPAC name is dihydrogen dioxide.

Back to the Warburg effect, which these claims seem to rely upon. It is possible that the switch from mitochondrial respiration to cytosolic (inside the cell, outside the nucleus and other organelles) glycolysis in response to low oxygen environs, I do not think it is likely. Tumours have an amazing propensity to sustain the formation of blood vessels surrounding them - in fact, it's essential - , giving them a pretty good supply of nutrients and that other important thing that blood has in it (it's called oxygen). More probable is that cancer cells shut down production in the mitochondria, which forces the cell to produce energy anaerobically. The reason they might do this is because mitochondria play a key role in cell induced death (apoptosis) - shut the mitochondria down, you stop the cell from killing itself in response to damage or other metabolic shifts. When I was doing my undergraduate I had to present a poster on a tumour suppressor protein, p53, which has the responsibility of inducing formation of one of the proteins that plays a key role in mitochondrial energy production chain (the protein is called COX4). What they found is that cells that had a mutation in the gene switched to "Warburg metabolism" and almost always resulted in cancer formation. What I am trying to say is that somehow feeding yourself more oxygen isn't going to help.

Now I am curious to know, what do you mean by 'personally experimented with 35% food grade type in water purification (mostly) with great results'? What are your results? You get whiter skin and things start to hurt more?



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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agree that lacking proper balance and nutrition is more than likely one of the main reasons for disease but certainly there is more than just mere specualtion in regards to various harmful chemicals (including the vapors) used in popular cleaners, water purification and disinfectants etc. as a cause as well and the point is not about Otto history but hopefully to spur others to investigate themselves what many realize from use/experience in that H202 is at a minimum good for more than just douching, minor cuts or rocket fuel and yes as previously mentioned must be respectfully feared like fire- improper use or proportions can be fatal especially when it comes to ingestion, found this interesting

He won a Nobel Prize and was awarded a second. He was unable to except this second Nobel Prize because because he was a Jew during the Hitler regime. Basically Otto Warburg won 2 Nobel Prizes in cancer.

This causes the body to have many anaerobic (low or no oxygen areas within the body) that allows cancer to develop. But than, if the your body is towards an alkaline state then the cancer cannot continue to survive because your body is basically more oxygenated.

Cancer basically needs and low oxygen environment to survive. Over the years I have heard about a lot of vegetarians getting cancer. And I'm guessing here, but if the saliva pH test is done I'm sure they will be extremely alkaline. Meaning that acidic or alkaline extremes unnatural to the body are causing a steady low oxygen environment which cancer needs to survive.
www.stopcancer.com...



Dr. Edward C. Rosenow, author of 450 published medical papers and associate at the Mayo Clinic for over 60 years proved [more than] 70 years ago (1914) that bacteria could be found consistently in the lymph nodes that drain joints (J.A.M.A., April 11, 1914).

He was probably the first scientist to postulate that H2O2 would help arthritis because of its ability to supply oxygen to oxygen-hating organisms causing arthritis (Streptococcus Viridans)."

Throw out your harmful toxic disinfectants, cleaners, bleaches and insecticides!
Hydrogen peroxide is the only germicidal agent composed only of water and oxygen. Like ozone, it kills disease organisms by oxidation! Hydrogen peroxide is considered the worlds safest all natural effective sanitizer. It kills microorganisms by oxidizing them, which can be best described as a controlled burning process. When hydrogen peroxide reacts with organic material it breaks down into oxygen and water.

Alternate Bath: Add 1/2 cup 35% hydrogen peroxide, 1/2 cup sea salt (prefer Himalayan), 1/2 cup baking soda or Epson salts to water and soak.

Foot soak: Add 1 and 1/2 ounces 35% hydrogen peroxide to 1 gallon water and soak.
www.alternative-health-group.org...


mostly used along with a few other things as an alternative to purifiing pool and whole house water


Chlorinated water contains chemical compounds called Trihalomethanes which are carcinogens resulting from the combination of chlorine with organic compounds in water. These chemicals, also known as organochlorides, do not degrade very well and are generally stored in the fatty tissues of the body (breast, other fatty areas, mothers' milk, blood and semen). Organochlorides can cause mutations by altering DNA, suppress immune system function and interfere with the natural controls of cell growth.
Chlorine has been documented to aggravate asthma, especially in those children who make frequent use of chlorinated swimming pools. Several studies also link chlorine and chlorinated by-products to a greater incidence of bladder, breast and bowel cancer as well as malignant melanoma. One study even links the use of chlorinated tap water to congenital cardiac anomalies.

Anything you can do to filter tap and shower water that eliminates or even minimizes chlorine would certainly be helpful and possibly curative for some immune system problems. The use of at source water filtration devices is increasingly popular and affordable. Discuss their use with your health care practitioner.
betterwater.typepad.com...


National Health Care spending chart GDP
en.wikipedia.org...:International_Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%25_GDP.png


North America leads the world in the rate of cancers diagnosed in adults, followed closely by Western Europe and Australia and New Zealand, according to a recent estimate of worldwide cancer rates.www.annieappleseedproject.org...



For taking Detoxifying Bath Use 250 ml (1 cup) of 35% food grade H2O2 to a tub. H2O2 is healthy, environmentally friendly substitute to chlorine in your hot tub. Go for hydrogen peroxide to take clean bath and oxygen enriched. After bathing, you can also spray 3% H2O2 on body to replace the acid mantle on your skin.

H2o2 is utilizing at the rate of 5 ppm to manage fungal growth on fish. 1 oz. of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide mixes with 20 gallons of water for the fish Farming intention.

Many farmers feel that use of food grade H202 have great impact on farm. It increased butterfat in milk, higher egg production, heavier chickens and healthier fruit and fish.
Use 8 ozs. of 35% food grade H202 per 1000 gallons of water or 30 ppm for the Farm Animals’s Drinking Water.
One can use mix 1/4 oz. to up to 1 oz. of 35% H202 per gallon of colostrum milk to maintain it from wastage until it is all fed to the newborn calf. www.sweetadditions.net...



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Rustami
agree that lacking proper balance and nutrition is more than likely one of the main reasons for disease but certainly there is more than just mere specualtion in regards to various harmful chemicals (including the vapors) used in popular cleaners, water purification and disinfectants etc. as a cause as well and the point is not about Otto history but hopefully to spur others to investigate themselves what many realize from use/experience in that H202 is at a minimum good for more than just douching, minor cuts or rocket fuel and yes as previously mentioned must be respectfully feared like fire- improper use or proportions can be fatal especially when it comes to ingestion, found this interesting


Where did I ever say proper balance and nutrition is the main cause of disease? It's certainly can contribute to a number diseases, but it is by no means a main cause for all disease. Cancer arises from and accumulation of mutations that affect certain genes (mainly the ones implicated in controlling cell cycle) in the DNA of somatic cells. About 1% of these are inherited traits and the remaining 99% are sporadic. The conversion to cancerous cell types takes multiple steps, an important contributor of which is inherent genetic instability in the precursor cell population. This 'instability' manifests itself in the appearance of mutations and results in a 'mixed' (genetically heterogeneous) cell population. In these types of populations, a cell that has higher propensity towards proliferating has a marked advantages over the others and will thus contribute a large proportion of its descendants to the future populations - in other words, cells that have an intrinsically 'better' ability to grow and divide will expand its population at the expense of its neighbours. Tumour cells, as I have mentioned, will more often than not show altered expression or inactivation in one or more type of oncogene or proto-oncogene. They survive in the types of populations I mentioned before because they confer an proliferative advantage - they are essentially 'immortal' cells. The mutations leading to these phenotypes can be the result of a host of different factors - radiation and chemical agents being two of the major causes. Surprise, surprise, H2O2 happens to be one of those 'chemical agents' implicated in one of the types of DNA damage that can lead to cancer formation. Here is an excerpt from the abstract of a paper I found (abstract available online at erc.endocrinology-journals.org...):


DNA double-strand breaks (DSBs) are considered as one of the primary causes of cancer but their induction by hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is still controversial. In this work, we studied whether the high levels of H2O2 produced in thyroid to oxidize iodide could induce DNA modifications. Scores of DNA damage, in terms of strand breaks, were obtained by comet assay (alkaline condition for single-strand breaks (SSBs) and neutral condition for DSBs).



Moreover, we showed that DNA breaks induced by H2O2 were more slowly repaired than those induced by irradiation. In conclusion, H2O2 causes SSBs and DSBs in thyroid cells. DSBs are produced in amounts comparable to those observed after irradiation but with a slower repair. These data support the hypothesis that generation of H2O2 in thyroid could also play a role in mutagenesis particularly in case of antioxidant defense deficiency.





Originally posted by Rustami

He won a Nobel Prize and was awarded a second. He was unable to except this second Nobel Prize because because he was a Jew during the Hitler regime. Basically Otto Warburg won 2 Nobel Prizes in cancer.

This causes the body to have many anaerobic (low or no oxygen areas within the body) that allows cancer to develop. But than, if the your body is towards an alkaline state then the cancer cannot continue to survive because your body is basically more oxygenated.

Cancer basically needs and low oxygen environment to survive. Over the years I have heard about a lot of vegetarians getting cancer. And I'm guessing here, but if the saliva pH test is done I'm sure they will be extremely alkaline. Meaning that acidic or alkaline extremes unnatural to the body are causing a steady low oxygen environment which cancer needs to survive.
www.stopcancer.com...




Those are speculations. He was nominated for a second but as to whether the regime of his time prevented him from getting it is actually unknown. So, no, he didn't win two Nobel prizes. He won one and was nominated for another. And they weren't 'in cancer'.

The idea that it is the fact that cancer cells usually produce energy anaerobically doesn't mean that it is because of this that cancer cells develop. As I mentioned in my post previously, the switch to anaerobic metabolism is more likely the result of the cell shutting down energy production in the mitochondria, which in turn allows the cell to avoid apoptosis. This phenomena has been found in many cases to be due to mutations in tumour suppressor/oncogenes. Feeding a cell more oxygen will not help these cells because they simply do not have the equipment to use it. Even if we ignore that and we ignore the fact that tumours have readily available oxygen stocks, how do you suppose feeding a cancer cell(s) oxygen will 'reverse' the process? It won't. How will it stop the uncontrolled cell mitotic events? It won't.



Dr. Edward C. Rosenow, author of 450 published medical papers and associate at the Mayo Clinic for over 60 years proved [more than] 70 years ago (1914) that bacteria could be found consistently in the lymph nodes that drain joints (J.A.M.A., April 11, 1914).

He was probably the first scientist to postulate that H2O2 would help arthritis because of its ability to supply oxygen to oxygen-hating organisms causing arthritis (Streptococcus Viridans)."

Throw out your harmful toxic disinfectants, cleaners, bleaches and insecticides!
Hydrogen peroxide is the only germicidal agent composed only of water and oxygen. Like ozone, it kills disease organisms by oxidation! Hydrogen peroxide is considered the worlds safest all natural effective sanitizer. It kills microorganisms by oxidizing them, which can be best described as a controlled burning process. When hydrogen peroxide reacts with organic material it breaks down into oxygen and water.

Alternate Bath: Add 1/2 cup 35% hydrogen peroxide, 1/2 cup sea salt (prefer Himalayan), 1/2 cup baking soda or Epson salts to water and soak.

Foot soak: Add 1 and 1/2 ounces 35% hydrogen peroxide to 1 gallon water and soak.
www.alternative-health-group.org...


mostly used along with a few other things as an alternative to purifiing pool and whole house water


That's great, but it still won't help get rid of cancer. H2O2 can kill cells by oxidative stress, this is true, but what's stopping it from killing healthy cells? Nothing. Also, see above for why giving cancer oxygen won't do anything.


Originally posted by Rustami


Organochlorides can cause mutations by altering DNA, suppress immune system function and interfere with the natural controls of cell growth.


So can peroxide.

I think I covered the rest of your excerpts in this post, so I won't bother rehashing it.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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very sorry! my bad... must have been thinking on key words like proteins, flavins, amino acids, ingest etc.-so I thought food, noteably @ lunch time as well and certainly did'nt help not copying your quote over (sometimes I begin then get distracted and come back to finish), you should hear the one about the guy on ebay- she wizz I "screwed the pooch" on that one.. suppose other things like multi-bean soup I had read about years ago along with some other nutritional info I've recently been discussing with a close relative that chemo has not corrected and has now entered the lymph glands contributed also as these are fresh on the brain.. here's a few we talked about


HEMP SEED: THE MOST NUTRITIONALLY
COMPLETE FOOD SOURCE IN THE WORLD
There are eight amino acids human body cannot synthesize and two more the body cannot synthesize in sufficient quantity, that are essential to life. A diet missing any one of them will eventually cause disease and death. These essential amino acids, along with eleven others the body can make from them, are chained together in accordance to genetic guidelines, via DNA blueprints, into structural proteins that give life to the body, and into enzymes (globular proteins) that carry out the mechanics of living.

Hemp is not unique in having all the essential amino acids. Flax seeds also contain all the essential amino acids as do many other seeds in the plant kingdom. What is unique about hemp seed protein is that 65% of it is globulin edistin. That is the highest in the plant kingdom.
medicinejournal.co.tv...



Researchers believe cancers erupt when immune system response is weakened. Pioneers in the fields of biochemistry and human nutrition now believe CVD and most cancers are really diseases of fatty degeneration caused by the continued over-consumption of saturated fats and refined vegetable oils that turn essential fatty acids into carcinogenic killers.. Sadly it is ignorance of human nutritional needs that will cause this overwhelming majority of Americans to die slowly from these afflictions -- the greatest killers in affluent nations.

The number of possible amino acid peptide combinations is infinite.

Peptide chains can bend, twist and unite with other peptide chains by forming weak hydrogen bonds between nitrogen and oxygen atoms along the chain. Amino acids can also form bonds through side chain linkages. All three types of amino acid bonding methods contribute to the infinite possibility of protein shapes and reactivity potentials. Though each species builds proteins unique to itself, life can tailor new ones if challenged by the pressures of existence.

Eating hemp seeds gives the body all the essential amino acids required to maintain health, and provides the necessary kinds and amounts of amino acids the body needs to make human serum albumin and serum globulins like the immune enhancing gamma globulins. Eating hemp seeds could aid, if not heal, people suffering from immune deficiency diseases.
www.ratical.com...



Amagdylin is found with the highest concentration and necessary enzymes in apricot seed kernels. A primitive tribe, the Hunzas, were known to consume large amounts of apricot seed kernels. The hard pit had to be broken to get into the soft kernels. There was no incidence of cancer with them at all, ever. And they had long, healthy life spans. Laetrile was created by simply extracting amagdylin from the soft apricot kernels, purifying it and putting it into a concentrated form.
Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...


is kinda wild how so many things "out there" claim to fight or cure cancer, but after LOCAL(a must) honey cured my allergies along with no sicknesses thus far while also experiementing with different essential oils and going on @4 years in a row now along with mutliple family members at the same time (not the cancer diagnosed one).. I definately have become more holistic in my health care.. funny to how some of these things happen to be in the scriptures






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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rustami
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very sorry! my bad... must have been thinking on key words like proteins, flavins, amino acids, ingest etc.-so I thought food, noteably @ lunch time as well and certainly did'nt help not copying your quote over (sometimes I begin then get distracted and come back to finish), you should hear the one about the guy on ebay- she wizz I "screwed the pooch" on that one.. suppose other things like multi-bean soup I had read about years ago along with some other nutritional info I've recently been discussing with a close relative that chemo has not corrected and has now entered the lymph glands contributed also as these are fresh on the brain.. here's a few we talked about


I do the same thing a lot in other forums too, don't worry
Chemo isn't a guaranteed cure-all for cancer. Every cancer is different and so it is hard to design a marketable drug that can 'fix' all of them.


Originally posted by Rustami

HEMP SEED: THE MOST NUTRITIONALLY
COMPLETE FOOD SOURCE IN THE WORLD
There are eight amino acids human body cannot synthesize and two more the body cannot synthesize in sufficient quantity, that are essential to life. A diet missing any one of them will eventually cause disease and death. These essential amino acids, along with eleven others the body can make from them, are chained together in accordance to genetic guidelines, via DNA blueprints, into structural proteins that give life to the body, and into enzymes (globular proteins) that carry out the mechanics of living.

Hemp is not unique in having all the essential amino acids. Flax seeds also contain all the essential amino acids as do many other seeds in the plant kingdom. What is unique about hemp seed protein is that 65% of it is globulin edistin. That is the highest in the plant kingdom.
medicinejournal.co.tv...


I'm not sure what relevance this has to the topic?


Originally posted by Rustami

Researchers believe cancers erupt when immune system response is weakened. Pioneers in the fields of biochemistry and human nutrition now believe CVD and most cancers are really diseases of fatty degeneration caused by the continued over-consumption of saturated fats and refined vegetable oils that turn essential fatty acids into carcinogenic killers.. Sadly it is ignorance of human nutritional needs that will cause this overwhelming majority of Americans to die slowly from these afflictions -- the greatest killers in affluent nations.


Not true.


Originally posted by Rustami

The number of possible amino acid peptide combinations is infinite.

Peptide chains can bend, twist and unite with other peptide chains by forming weak hydrogen bonds between nitrogen and oxygen atoms along the chain. Amino acids can also form bonds through side chain linkages. All three types of amino acid bonding methods contribute to the infinite possibility of protein shapes and reactivity potentials. Though each species builds proteins unique to itself, life can tailor new ones if challenged by the pressures of existence.


That is not what a hydrogen bond is. Close, but not correct. Also, there are not many amino acids that bond through their side chains in proteins.


Originally posted by Rustami

Eating hemp seeds gives the body all the essential amino acids required to maintain health, and provides the necessary kinds and amounts of amino acids the body needs to make human serum albumin and serum globulins like the immune enhancing gamma globulins. Eating hemp seeds could aid, if not heal, people suffering from immune deficiency diseases.
www.ratical.com...


That would only help if the immunodeficiency were an acquired disorder as a result of malnutrition. Unfortunately, that is not the case for all people with such diseases.


Originally posted by Rustami

Amagdylin is found with the highest concentration and necessary enzymes in apricot seed kernels. A primitive tribe, the Hunzas, were known to consume large amounts of apricot seed kernels. The hard pit had to be broken to get into the soft kernels. There was no incidence of cancer with them at all, ever. And they had long, healthy life spans. Laetrile was created by simply extracting amagdylin from the soft apricot kernels, purifying it and putting it into a concentrated form.
Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...


I disagree with this website profusely and you cannot honestly try and claim the articles peddled by conspiracy websites or sites such as Natural News as being in any way factual or correct. The claim that amygdalin or Laetrile (the latter of which found in more than just apricot seeds) is a 'cure' for cancer has been disproven. I refer you to the following (published in Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, 2009. Cochrane article):


In the 1980s two clinical trials were spon- sored by the NCI with the approval of the FDA. Their results did not show the efficacy of Laetrile. Many case reports of the effectiveness, either as an anti-cancer agent or as a palliative treatment, have been published. Such anecdotal data are not appropriate for demonstrating efficacy.


Not only was it found not to work, it was found to be toxic. The web site claims that the nitrile (cyanide) functionality on amygdalin is harmless because it is part of a larger molecule. This is true, however when amygdalin is metabolised the cyanide moiety is released and the subject then gets severe cyanide poisoning and dies. It then claims that Beta-glucosidase (the enzyme that metabolises amygdalin to release cyanide) is unique only to cancer cells. That statement is impossible and completely false. Cancer cells have altered metabolic states, yes, but it is impossible for a cancer cell to be the only type of cell with any protein. DNA codes for every protein in our body and every cell in our body has the same DNA sequence, so therefore all of our cells have the potential to produce all of the exact same proteins. That's not to say that they do all produce the same proteins levels of each protein (they don't), but they have the potential too. Secondly, it makes absolutely no sense for us to have a gene that encodes for a protein that only a cancer cell can produce. In fact, the bacterial cells in our small intestines that assist in digestion have quite a bit of these enzymes.

As another note, amygdilan and Laetrile are not the same thing. Laetrile is actually more similar to prunasin (one of the products of metabolising amygdilan) with the exception of the COOH functionality at the C6 of the glucose moiety.

I got this from the discussion section of the same article I quoted above. I think it's appropriate:


Cancer patients as well as oncologists are ill-informed about Laetrile and they both are overwhelmed with information from lay press and websites, which often report the anti-cancer effect of Laetrile. Some cancer patients argue that they are denied the free- dom to choose Laetrile therapy and they feel betrayed by health institutions. They should consider the high risk of developing se- rious adverse effects from cyanide (HCN) poisoning after Laetrile intake. This risk could increase with concomitant intake of fruit seeds (apricot, bitter almond, peach) (Schmidt 1978), megadoses of vitamin C (Calabrese 1979a), and in people with a genetic pre- disposition to diminished capacity to detoxify cyanide (Calabrese 1979b). Practitioners together with patients should also be aware that cyanide poisoning could be related to overdosing and to the quality of the products available on the market. Processing con- ditions are the main factors affecting the quality of some Rosaceae seeds (Hwang 2002; Hu 2002), and often Laetrile and amygdalin
preparations come from questionable sources with no standards of quality or purity. Those preparations could be mutagenic (Fenselau 1977) or could contain bacteria (Davignon 1978) and other con- taminants and impurities (Dorr 1978). Some other preparations may contain only mandelonitrile glucuronide or various concen- trations of amygdalin and isoamygdalin, or may contain no glu- curonide at al (Fenselau 1977).




Originally posted by Rustami
is kinda wild how so many things "out there" claim to fight or cure cancer, but after LOCAL(a must) honey cured my allergies along with no sicknesses thus far while also experiementing with different essential oils and going on @4 years in a row now along with mutliple family members at the same time (not the cancer diagnosed one).. I definately have become more holistic in my health care.. funny to how some of these things happen to be in the scriptures



The honey you are taking has some sort of immunotherapy component to it. It hasn't 'cured' anything, it's only managing the symptoms.


Locally produced honey, which supposedly contains local plant pollens to which a person would be allergic, is the preferred type of honey for allergies. It makes sense that consuming honey that contains pollen to which a person is allergic would improve allergies, much like how sublingual immunotherapy works. And, the fact that many people have experienced anaphylaxis from eating honey means that there may be enough pollen to stimulate the immune system.


Again though, there has only been one study investigating the immunotheraputic benefits of honey and it found no difference between groups that had regular intake of honey and those on a placebo.

Mentioned in the scriptures? Using herbal remedies has been around for a lot longer than religious scriptures. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
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posted on Feb, 1 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by hypervalentiodine

Originally posted by Rustami
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I'm not sure what relevance this has to the topic?


well not only was the original first testimony in first article in link about cancer cured in association with H202 but we had (mostly by me) ventured into the nutritious side of cancer and hemp has much to do with ancient medicinal uses as well as being rated "top dog" or at least one of the most nutritional seeds by quite a few I read


Originally posted by Rustami

Amagdylin is found with the highest concentration and necessary enzymes in apricot seed kernels. A primitive tribe, the Hunzas, were known to consume large amounts of apricot seed kernels. The hard pit had to be broken to get into the soft kernels. There was no incidence of cancer with them at all, ever. And they had long, healthy life spans. Laetrile was created by simply extracting amagdylin from the soft apricot kernels, purifying it and putting it into a concentrated form.
Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...


I disagree with this website profusely and you cannot honestly try and claim the articles peddled by conspiracy websites or sites such as Natural News as being in any way factual or correct. The claim that amygdalin or Laetrile (the latter of which found in more than just apricot seeds) is a 'cure' for cancer has been disproven. I refer you to the following (published in Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, 2009. Cochrane article):


ok, interesting thanks for the info and no I don't claim but had discussed with you know who, who had seen this mentioned on the local news and seems I to remember seeing some kind of documentary type thing as well years ago


The honey you are taking has some sort of immunotherapy component to it. It hasn't 'cured' anything, it's only managing the symptoms.


when I say "cure" in parenthesis its kind of slang for- as long as I keep it up there won't be any problemos and there has'nt been.. I do like to promote what I know has "fixed" the problem and not just for me- if you only knew the hell I experienced going through all the different popular medicines on all sorts of levels


Locally produced honey, which supposedly contains local plant pollens to which a person would be allergic, is the preferred type of honey for allergies. It makes sense that consuming honey that contains pollen to which a person is allergic would improve allergies, much like how sublingual immunotherapy works. And, the fact that many people have experienced anaphylaxis from eating honey means that there may be enough pollen to stimulate the immune system.



Mentioned in the scriptures? Using herbal remedies has been around for a lot longer than religious scriptures. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.


well they are based on ancient history, spurred me on to alot of good information including the word "religious" and I do have more than a few relative experiences though not so sure you want to go there it usually starts with telling my testimony of what happened when I first believed or just putting up some scriptural info then getting personally attacked but here is what I was referring to in that comment and is somewhat related directly to some content in thread

My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste:

Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it.

It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.

He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain

Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them. (did you notice how lightning was mentioned in beginning of thread?)

a land flowing with milk and honey



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posted on Feb, 1 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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well not only was the original first testimony in first article in link about cancer cured in association with H202 but we had (mostly by me) ventured into the nutritious side of cancer and hemp has much to do with ancient medicinal uses as well as being rated "top dog" or at least one of the most nutritional seeds by quite a few I read


Hemp oil is pretty complete in terms of the vitamins and amino acids it has in it, that's completely true. Again though, it doesn't have much relevance to cancer. Eating certain foods does help to prevent cancer (pink grapefruit and tomatoes are two fruit I've heard of that can do this), but they by no means eradicate cancer.


Originally posted by Rustami
ok, interesting thanks for the info and no I don't claim but had discussed with you know who, who had seen this mentioned on the local news and seems I to remember seeing some kind of documentary type thing as well years ago


There are all manner of claims regarding the theraputic benefits of Laetrile and amygdilan, however most of them are like the web site you linked me - they misquote and misinform to give people incorrect and unsafe advice.



Originally posted by Rustami

when I say "cure" in parenthesis its kind of slang for- as long as I keep it up there won't be any problemos and there has'nt been.. I do like to promote what I know has "fixed" the problem and not just for me- if you only knew the hell I experienced going through all the different popular medicines on all sorts of levels


I understand that you used it as slang. I myself disagree with misusing the term, however. There is a difference between curing somebody and preventing symptoms. The former refers to a reversal and repairing of the underlying cause of the problem, where as the latter is exactly as I have written it - a tool for managing the symptoms but not treating the cause. Anyway, each to their own. Also, parentheses (a.k.a. brackets) and inverted commas, which is what you used, are different. But that is neither here nor there.





well they are based on ancient history, spurred me on to alot of good information including the word "religious" and I do have more than a few relative experiences though not so sure you want to go there it usually starts with telling my testimony of what happened when I first believed or just putting up some scriptural info then getting personally attacked but here is what I was referring to in that comment and is somewhat related directly to some content in thread

My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste:

Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it.

It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.

He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain

Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them. (did you notice how lightning was mentioned in beginning of thread?)

a land flowing with milk and honey


It is not my business to persecute others based on their beliefs. I am an atheist, you are clearly not and those our opinions on the world, nothing more. I think all that these references indicate though is that they have an historical use. It's not too surprising, really. Now that science is the way it is, we are ever searching for why some of these substances work and what compound(s) contribute tot heir activity. There a lot of drugs available that are based off of natural products. Aspirin, cyclosporin and taxol are three I am always quipping in these forums ^^



posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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regarding hemp again outside of known strict medicinal use in ancient tribal or biblical as well as American history, it has to do with a powerful nutrition assisting in the strengthening of the immune system in defense beforehand though there are quite a few people claiming to have cured various kinds cancer and as to your "cure" stickler... hey I just cured my hunger pains
- sorry could'nt resist, heres one popular story



did you mention what you do or are studying for? don't recall you saying and feel as if I'm talking to a bio-chemist of some sort or medical student- a compliment, even if I personally believe alot of stuff is bologne and soley money motivated

no problem and at least your an open minded one and can accept the historical importance which reminds me of a neighbor, of whom there was lotsa hours of cool calm debates with very little vain popping heat, usually at a BBQ, shooting pool or just over a beer talking cars, the guy was British, claimed athiesm I think it was though could've been agnostic (I always got that wrong-a real pisser for him whichever one it was) and even ended up accepting one of my most cherished roll royce leather bound gold trimmed KJV bibles (Chain Reference)
which I really think knowing some of the historical aspects had helped


The King James Version:
Its Influence on English and American History
The King James version of the Bible is only a book. What can a book do in history? Well, whatever the reason, books have played a large part in the movements of men, specially of modern men.

They have markedly influenced the opinion of men about the past.
www.bible-researcher.com...


had meant to add this one earlier, known as one of the greatest water purifiers not to mention all the other popularly known recommendations

Drink no longer (just) water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.-1Timothy5
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posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Rustami
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regarding hemp again outside of known strict medicinal use in ancient tribal or biblical as well as American history, it has to do with a powerful nutrition assisting in the strengthening of the immune system in defense beforehand though there are quite a few people claiming to have cured various kinds cancer and as to your "cure" stickler... hey I just cured my hunger pains
- sorry could'nt resist, heres one popular story


Jokes on you, because that is a correct usage of the word


The unfortunate thing is that because of the nature of the substance, finding proper scientific studies that prove or disprove these claims is hard to come by. I actually couldn't find anything by doing a Google scholar search. When the university library site starts working, I'll do a proper search to se what I can find. I am curious, to say the least.


did you mention what you do or are studying for? don't recall you saying and feel as if I'm talking to a bio-chemist of some sort or medical student- a compliment, even if I personally believe alot of stuff is bologne and soley money motivated


Close. I am an organic chemist by trade, medicinal chemist by choice. I am interested to know what exactly to find to be so 'bologne' about it all?



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Rustami
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Jokes on you, because that is a correct usage of the word


dangit, ok how about I just cured my antihistamineal hungers?


The unfortunate thing is that because of the nature of the substance, finding proper scientific studies that prove or disprove these claims is hard to come by. I actually couldn't find anything by doing a Google scholar search. When the university library site starts working, I'll do a proper search to se what I can find. I am curious, to say the least.


this is kind of my point on the honey thing, there were many contradicting reports and hearsays but absolutely works for me, I take an average of @ 3 tablespoons a week of alternate local kinds consistently, worth noting also is how this can contribute in supporting the whole bee thing


did you mention what you do or are studying for? don't recall you saying and feel as if I'm talking to a bio-chemist of some sort or medical student- a compliment, even if I personally believe alot of stuff is bologne and soley money motivated

Close. I am an organic chemist by trade, medicinal chemist by choice. I am interested to know what exactly to find to be so 'bologne' about it all?


no no not "it all" at all- just alot but this is a problem in many fields even amongst the "religious" ones yet the scriptures clearly point out in very specific details whats what, which is why I can understand and appreciate your sticklerness for technecalities including the desire to get the best info in search for the truth of the matter, example would be the pool chems (cheap harmful big "profit" makers) I was using and blame that for starting the allergy problem though not interested in proving it, how about the abortionist in Chicago(?) recently being arrested who was clearly not at all interested in anyones betterment except his own wallet and really offspring death in general with the clearly extreme harm it causes for $413 average, another would be the "preacher" who said I "probably heard the devil" before having to point out a few scriptures still did'nt stop him from not paying me correctly and then there's the guy and near every tree professional I had spoken with that had said hackberrys were worthless weed trees before I cut down a small forests worth only keeping about a cords worth which ended up burning just fine and there is not much better for cooking beef or bison with just to name a few
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posted on Feb, 5 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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tot heir


oopski what is a tot heir?


forgot to add that this same relative is now taking Manitou? hemp powder drinkmix that he had gotten at a local health food store so should get news of any positives though he did mention that there were considerable differences in seeds depending on type, brand, handling and process... personally I've picked up oil, butter (like green peanut butter) and flavored seeds from Central Market and Whole Foods and kinda liked getting a lil "spice" of a different flavor from the norm if for no other reason, anyway thought it was worth mentioning
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