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Who's telling the truth: Clint Hill or the Zapruder film?

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 03:56 PM
As a new member of ATS, I wanted my first post to be special. As some of you may be aware, I organized a research group in 1992 of the most highly-qualified experts to ever study the case, including a world authority on the human brain, who was also an expert on wound ballistics; a Ph.D. in physics who was also an M.D. and board qualified in radiation oncology; another M.D. who was present in Trauma Room #1 when JFK was brought in for care and, two days later, was responsible for the treatment of his alleged assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, in Trauma Room #2; a legendary photo-analyst, who testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and later advised Oliver Stone on the production of "JFK": and another Ph.D. in physics, this time with a specialization in electromagnetism, which includes the properties of light and of optics and of the images of moving objects.

We discovered that the autopsy X-rays had been altered to conceal a massive blow-out at the back of the head; that another person's brain shown in diagrams and photographs at the National Archives had been substituted for that of JFK; and that the most famous footage in history, the Zapruder film, had been recreated by the removal of some frames and by the introduction of others, using the sophisticated techniques of optical printing and special effects applied to original footage to create a new film. I organized and moderated the first symposium on the authenticity of the film in Dallas in 1996 and would subsequently organize and moderate a conference on this subject in Duluth in 2003. Then, later that year I would publish my third collection of studies by experts on different aspects of the case, THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX (2003), one of the greatest scams in history.

The study of the film has been inhibited by the control that has been exercised over it by a private company and now by The 6th Floor Museum. A brief I commissioned by Mike Pincher, J.D., an attorney from California, was published in as "The Zapruder Film: “No” to Copyright Protection". He contends--with complete justification, in my opinion--that the film was never entitled to copyright from the start. It appears obvious to me that this abuse of copyright has been deliberate to inhibit the serious study of the film, which has become an expensive proposition. More importantly, in that respect, therefore, is a new version of the film not covered by copright protection has been produced by John P. Costella, Ph.D., and made available to the public at no charge on This new version has been enhanced by replacement of missing frames and by the removal of pin-cushion and of aspect ratio distortion.

The individual frames are archived at and a stabilized version of the film at from which they may both be downloaded. You may notice a feature you have probably not seen in earlier versions, which are the "ghost panels" that surround the sprocket holes These are double-exposures due to the design of the camera that was used by Zapruder to film the original, which link one frame to another and cannot be duplicated. When those who were recreating the film had made the content changes they desired, then had to reshoot the film to recreate the ghost panels, in the absence of which the deception involved in its re-editing would have been immediately apparent. It is for this reason that the film as a whole had to be recreated, which makes the film as a whole a "fabrication". That does not mean that none of it is real, but only that it takes a great deal of investigation and study to separate the authentic from the fake parts.

The reason the article I am offering as my first new thread is so important, therefore, is that we now have new proof of its alteration from an unexpected source. Clint Hill, a Secret Service agent on the Kennedy detail, is, along with Jack and Jackie, the most conspicuous figure in the Zapruder film, where he is the only agent who responded in an attempt to protect Jackie. What Clint tells us about his actions at the time--which he has maintained for 47 years!--contradicts what we see in the film. Another agent on the opposite side of the limousine, John Ready, also started to respond when the first shots were fired, but was called back by Emory Roberts, who was the assistant to Roy Kellerman, who was in charged of the presidential protection detail. This makes Roberts one of the principal suspects in setting JFK up for the hit, where we have discovered more than 15 indications that that was the case. The other key player in the plaza, of course, was the driver, William Greer, who, unbelievable as it may sound, actually pulled the limo the left and to a complete halt to make sure that JFK would be killed.

Among those in the JFK research community who have been the most outspoken in opposition to Zapruder film fakery are Robert Groden and Josiah Thompson. Robert Groden has a vast collection of JFK memorabilia, including what appears to be an early copy of the film. Josiah Thompson published his book SIX SECONDS IN DALLAS (1967), based upon the study of the film to which he had access through a special arrangement with LIFE magazine. In my opinion, they both have serious conflicts of interest in being objective about the proof we have adduced, since the value of Groden's collection and the significance of Thompson's book would be seriously compromised were the fabrication of the film to be come widely accepted by the public. The arguments that they have given for its authenticity, moreover, have not withstood critical scrutiny. Josiah, for example, has argued that it would have been impossible to fake the film because of an unbroken chain of custody from Dallas to LIFE magazine and beyond, a claim that was recently demolished by the work of the Assassination Records Review Board.

Its former senior analyst for military affairs, Douglas Horne, has now published INSIDE THE ARRB (2009), in which he traces the discoveries that occurred during its years of operation in declassifying more than six million documents and records that had been withheld from the public by the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service and other government agencies. Among those discoveries was that one version of the Zapruder film was brought to the National Photographic Interpretation Center (NPIC) in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, 23 November 1963, and another on Sunday, 24 November 1963. The first was an 8mm film that had been developed in Dallas. The second was a 16mm film that had been developed in Rochester. There were five physical properties of the strips of celluloid which distinguished them, as I have explained in "US Government Official: JFK Cover-Up, Film Fabrication", at So the chain of custody argument has no merit.

In addition, we have discovered a great many changes in the content of the extant version of the film from what it should have shown, based upon studies of the medical evidence, the physical evidence, and the reports of a large number of eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza, none of whom, interestingly, reported observing the dramatic, back-and-to-the-left motion of JFK's body that is so striking in the film. Clint also describes peering into a hole in the back of JFK's head, a gaping, fist-sized blow-out, which by itself contradicts the official X-rays, some of the autopsy photographs and diagrams, and early frames of the Zapruder film, where, as a new group of Hollywood experts has found, it was (crudely) painted over in black. Some years ago, on the hunch that the conspirators who were redoing the film might have spent so much time concentrating on those early frames, especially 313-316, that they could have overlooked the wound in later frames, I made a search and found that it is clearly visible in frame 374, as I emphasized in HOAX. So the simplest proof that the film has been altered is that the wound is visible in some frames but has been concealed in others.

Here is how you can prove for yourself that what I am telling you is true. Go to the article here:

(1) Scroll down to frame 374, where you can see the blow out in his head;

(2) Compare that with the HSCA photo and diagram, the next image in line;

(3) Do you see that the blow out is not present in the HSCA photo/diagram?

(4) Scroll down to the witnesses reporting the location of the blow-out;

(5) Do you see that it corresponds with the blow out seen in frame 374?

(6) Scroll down to the X-ray on the left and "Area P" defined on the right.

(7) Do you see where "Area P" closely resembles the blow-out in frame 374?

(8) Do you see that "Area P" is not distinctive in the X-ray on the right?

(9) Scroll down to the diagrams of the head wound by Charles Crenshaw, M.D.

(10) Do you see how his diagram agrees with frame 374 and X-ray "Area P"?

Since the blow out is visible in frame 374 but not in earlier frames, such as 313-316, what does that tell you? Hollywood experts have determined it (the blow out) was painted over in black in those early frames, which means that the film has been altered. The limo stop was also taken out, where we have around 60 witnesses who reported seeing it dramatically slow or come to a complete stop. But it had to dramatically slow AS IT CAME TO A COMPLETE STOP. Notice in the section entitled, "The Limo Stop", I quote witnesses--Toni Foster, Billy Lovelady, Roy Truly, and Mrs. Earle Cabell--who report seeing the limo stop with their own eyes. Is there anything you question about what they are reporting? But if the limo came to a stop--and all four of the motorcycle patrolmen said the same thing--since the stop is not in the film, what happened to it? Did it simply disappear? Or did it have to be removed when the film was reworked, because it was an obvious indication of Secret Service complicity in setting JFK up for the hit? Which, of course, is why the Zapruder film had to be faked.

Who's telling the truth: Clint Hill or the Zapruder film?
Agent’s reports contradict JFK film, autopsy X-rays and other crucial photographs

Jim Fetzer

“In the midst of the mayhem the agents were calm, but ready to react in a
millisecond if anything got out of hand.”—Jerry Blaine, THE KENNEDY DETAIL

According to Jerry Blaine, the author of THE KENNEDY DETAIL (2010), his purpose in writing this book was “to set history straight, to leave a book for [his] grandchildren that they could read and know the truth beyond any measure of doubt.” What Blaine has actually done, however, moves us further toward the truth by revealing that the words of Clint Hill, the only agent to respond during the assassination, contradict his actions as shown in the Zapruder film, in which his efforts to protect Jackie Kennedy are among its most indelible features. They also impeach autopsy X-rays and other photographs. We therefore have in Clint Hill’s own words stunning new proof that the extant film has been faked. The book—and presentations to promote it—thus contributes to “setting history straight”, but not in the sense its author intended.

Clint Hill was not the only agent to attempt to respond after shots rang out. Secret Service agent John Ready, who was on the right running board whereas Clint was on the left, began to respond but was called back by Emory Roberts, Agent in Charge of the Presidential Protection Detail. This is stunning in itself, but is only one of more than fifteen indications that the Secret Service set up JFK for the hit, which include that two agents were left behind at Love Field, that the vehicles were in the wrong order, that the 112th Military Intelligence Unit was ordered to “stand down” rather than provide protection throughout the city, and that the motorcycle escort was reduced to four, who were instructed not to ride forward the rear wheels. Open windows were not covered and the crowd was allowed to spill out into the street.

When I discovered that Jerry and Clint had made presentations at book signings, I sent out a notice to several of my closest collaborators, all of whom contributed to the three JFK books I edited, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE (1998), MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000), and THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX (2003). I had reported there that we had found multiple indications the film had been reconstructed, where rather important events, such as the driver, William Greer, bringing the limo to a halt, had been removed and the film redone. An expert on special effects, Roderick Ryan, had told Noel Twyman, BLOODY TREASON (1997), that the “blob” of brains exploding to the right/front had been painted in, while, as Doug Horne, INSIDE THE ARRB (2009), has explained, a new group of Hollywood experts has found that a massive defect to the back of JFK’s head had been concealed by being (crudely) painted over in black.
edit on 30-1-2011 by JimFetzer because: Removing and from the title.

edit on 30-1-2011 by JimFetzer because: correcting a few typos

posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:31 PM
Thankyou for the material and welcome to ats. Very interesting subject for sure! Flag for your hard work and time

posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by JimFetzer

Wow!!! Great job Mr. Fetzer. I have always doubted the official story. My brother bought a box of old mgazines and books at an estate auction a few years ago. In that at the bottom of the box was a Playboy. In there was an intersting account. One that you could truelly say I read that for the article. But what I have learned in the past week regarding Mr Kennedy's policies it is clear who, what, where, and how. I have been honestly thinking.he might have been our last true President. His policies were for the best yet there were those who wanted the profits for the MIC and to "grow strong" through a long continuous cold and hot woar. What can ever be done about it though in terms of justice? And welcome to ATS

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:25 PM
Wow, your thread is going to take some study on my part. I am mostly posting at this time to thank you for your contribution here but also to mark this thread so I can watch its discussions and to easily come back to it as I have time.

Thanks for your work on my favorite conspiracy topic that I have been covering every day since the dirty deed. S&F!

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:39 PM
reply to post by JimFetzer

Welcome to ATS!!!

You have presented some excellent research for your first thread and I highly commend you for that.

The Kennedy assassination was clearly a set up. The Warren Commission were nothing but a group of paid lackeys; not at all different than the 911 Commission.

These investigatory boards are in desperate need of civilian oversight.

It would be best to treat these investigations like an indictment on a grand jury.
The people chosen to sit on the jury would be able to subpoena whomever they wish.

The Zapruder film is a joke. Even though the film has been modified, it is clear that the shot that killed Kennedy came from the front.
And just as every single secret service protocol was broken the day of 911, the same can be said for the actions of Kennedy's secret service detail the day of his assassination.
After the first shot the limo slowed down to almost a stop, and the following police motorcycles moved AWAY from the car, as did his security detail.
This gave the killer an open shot at Kennedy.

His death was the beginning of the end in my opinion.

Kennedy was in on the jig when he was elected to office, but something changed his mind.
He obviously changed gears on the agenda when signed executive order 11110 (scroll down to see the info on the executive order), and this unfortunately sealed his fate.

I find it very interesting that every president who has been assassinated was both against a national bank and sought to have our nations money backed by either silver or gold.

Think the bankers are holding us hostage?

posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:49 PM
Thanks for this very warm welcome. It would be terrific if this article were to go viral. It brings together a great deal of important discoveries on some of the most controversial aspects of JFK research, including (1) proof that JFK had a fist-sized blow-out at the back of his head, (2) proof that autopsy photographs and diagrams were altered, (3) proof that the original autopsy X-rays were "patched" to conceal the blow out, and (4) proof that the Zapruder film has been edited and revised. His observation of the wound also demonstrates that the brain shown in diagrams and photographs held at the National Archives cannot possibly be of the brain of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. For those who may want more, check out "Dealey Plaza Revisited: What Happened to JFK?", which includes proof that he was set up as the patsy and cannot have participated as a shooter plus a reconstruction of the most probable shooting sequence, which included eight to ten shots fired from six different locations. The link to that study, which is a chapter of JOHN F. KENNEDY: HISTORY, MEMORY, LEGACY, based upon a national conference held at the University of North Dakota, is I have also posted 8-10 studies of 9/11 and another 10-12 studies of JFK here at ATS. Let me know if you have questions about them.

posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 11:45 PM
Maybe I missed something, but how exactly does Clint Hill dispute the Z film?

posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:13 AM
reply to post by JimFetzer

Sir....welcome to ATS and thank you for the info you have provided here. I have already started studying it, but will have to continue later as it is late. I am interested in any and all info (links, ect.) that will help to bring this all more to light.

Being in the 4th grade when the assassination occurred, this is an event that has been with me my entire life. I have always had questions and, myself believe, that this President was, indeed, the last true Constitutional President our Country had. Everything changed after this and has helped this Country to go to where we are today. I believe our Country would be ALOT different (and better) today had the President somehow had lived that fateful day in Dallas.....................

Glad you have decided to join us here at ATS!!

posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:46 AM
reply to post by starviego

Clint Hill describes his actions from standing on the left-hand side running board, starting to run forward and being hit with brains and debris, stepping on the limousines back step while Jackie reaches across the trunk for a chunk of JFK's brains and skull, pushing her back into the seat and lying above her and JFK, while he looked down at a gaping, fist-sized wound in the back of his head, and giving a "thumbs down" sign to the detail behind him--all of which takes place BEFORE the limo reaches the Triple Underpass! But the Zapruder film does not show it.

The Zapruder film only shows him running forward and getting on the back step, reaching forward toward Jackie, but remaining on the back step all the way to the Triple Underpass. Plus it turns out he has been describing what he did the same way for the past 47 years! Go to the linked article and you will also have a link to a book signing in Boston where you can hear Clint say what he did himself. Apparently, in the process of editing out the limo stop, there wasn't enough time left for Clint to do all the things he did--so they simply left them out of the film.

posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:07 AM

Would it be possible for Clint to have completed the actions in the missing frames?

I have recently finished Bloody Treason, and did read that a few frames were removed, which were the frames showing that the car came to a stop or nearly to a stop!!

The mats behind the missing frames made it 100% clear that is was done!

posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:56 PM
reply to post by roblin

My best guess is that the stop lasted three or four seconds. Much more than a few frames were removed and other changes were made, including putting Mary Moorman and her friend Jean Hill back on the grass, after then had stepped into the street to get JFK's attention so Mary could take his picture. If you review the DellaRosa Report, which is Appendix (E) in HOAX (2003), you will see that Rich DellaRosa--who saw the film on THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS--said that it lasted three or four seconds. Interestingly, he also reported that the stop was abrupt and jostled the passengers. If you can take your eyes off of JFK and watch Nellie and John Connally and Greer and Kellerman in frames 314-316, they are jostled forward at the same time the limo is supposed to be accelerating! I think they kept that in because some of the witnesses might have remembered them being thrown forward, even though they should then have been pulled backward. There are many fascinating aspects of the film, once you become more familiar with it, some of which I discuss in "New Proof of JFK Film Fakery", "Zapruder JFK Film impeached by Moorman JFK Polaroid", and "The JFK 'Head Shot' Paradox".

posted on Feb, 1 2011 @ 02:14 PM
reply to post by JimFetzer

This is an exellent thread, sir. I am honored to be able to take part in this discussion with such a giant in this field. I started studying the JFK assassination in 1979 and read everything I could find. By the nineties I felt like I was seeing nothing new and kind of tapered off. I'm thankful that I stumbled across this thread today for all the great information you have provided. A great deal of it I knew, but there were some things that were new to me. Thanks for showing me that there's still stuff to learn out there.

posted on Feb, 1 2011 @ 11:55 PM
Welcome Professor Fetzer! It's not every day we have the opportunity to read excellent, up to date JFK research. Thanks for this presentation. Impeaching the Z-film is an excellent strategy. Even Dan Rather recalled seeing things in the z-film which WE cannot see, eg, Connolly's physical appearance of his suit jacket and his behaviour and most importantly, JFK's head, according to Rather, "his head could be seen to move violently forward". Dan Rather's job here seems to plant the earliest seeds of "3 shots" and "the car never stopped, it never paused". Dan Rather's account from November 25, 1963 :

I visited Dealy Plaza for the first time last year. And the museum... can't see through the shooter's window with that plexiglass cage in the way... the American public deserves the truth. Thank You for bringing us closer to it!

posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 12:12 AM
George Bush senior set up the hit to put Johnson in the drivers was all in house and the murder investigation was stopped forever as they quickly flew Kennedy away and killed Oswald and others.

Kennedy's head shooter shot from above in a building from the other side of the plaza, not the grassy knoll and not the train bridge either. the shot pushed his head down and to left as it exploded as the bullet exited from the right.


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posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 12:13 AM
Looks like a great read. Will be coming back tomorrow to read it all! Thanks for the contribution.

posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 04:28 PM
Bush appears to have been a player but LBJ was the key. See Phil Nelson, LBJ: THE MASTERMIND OF JFK'S ASSASSINATION. For the results of our studies on the medical, ballistic, physical, and witness evidence, see "Dealely Plaza Revisited: What Happened to JFK?",

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posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 05:07 PM
Wow, now THIS is why I came here, to see credible information about varying conspiracies.

Mr Fetzer, welcome to ATS and thank you for your posts so far, I'm sure a lot of other members will be surprised at the hard work you and others put into this investigation of the footage and X-ray.

posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 06:56 PM
Welcome to ATS and outstanding first thread

I can not comment too much at this time, I obviously have much to go over. I must admit though, this is the first I have ever heard suggested that the Zapruder Film could possibly be faked. On the surface that is a very interesting way to look at things. I am looking forward to researching the possibility, and again, nice work

posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 07:03 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

His account of what happened seemed very well scripted to me.

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