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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
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It doesn't matter who they were set up for Communist China who admits they are setting up for war in all directions is the one who will be taking advantage of them. the law you quoted is outdated there is a new one in my links.


Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
Good business is when you can call debts. We have been in debt for far to long. If they call on their debt fully, most people will be in trouble, we have no base on the numbers.

Peace, NRE.


We do not owe the debt the federal government does and it is bogus they have no right to give China sovereign states soil to pay their bad gambling debts. I am telling you if people ignore this like they do everything else we are screwed for sure!

Good luck Hawkiye - you're going to need it. These people can't see what is staring them in the face! And that's exactly how it works. China has been trying to get it's hands on foreign land for years they have a huge population problem (hence the one child policy - which will come to US) I'm afraid the citizens of the US have been lulled into a false sense of security for toooo long - they are walking right into their hands. God Bless America!
The people around the world know what's coming there, they're outside looking in but I'm afraid those inside can't see the wood for the trees.




posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
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China is taking control of what they perceive is theirs. China has millions of unemployed young males, guess who they will be sending to work in these FTZ's?



Can you show any proof that China will be allowed to bring over their own citizens to work in FTZs???

Any proof that China will be allowed to ignore immigration laws to bring over their own workforce?


I have been reading through the law and so far I cannot see anywhere that prohibits it. And we also have the example of the long Beach Port being run and manned by Chinese nationals. I'd say that is pretty good evidence.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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solute scariest and most important thread I have ever read on here, and almost all of the internet if this is true!



wow!


This better make front page folks,, start flagging!



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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I have been reading through the law and so far I cannot see anywhere that prohibits it.



The law doesn't have to specifically prohibit it...since it is already covered in other laws.

It would have to specifically allow it...please show me that proof.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
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I have been reading through the law and so far I cannot see anywhere that prohibits it.



The law doesn't have to specifically prohibit it...since it is already covered in other laws.

It would have to specifically allow it...please show me that proof.


Well I agree that "should" be the maxim of how the law is applied however the last 50 years of jurisprudence has not worked that way and the laws have been ignored. You know like the patriot act would not be used against American citizens etc.The proof is they are doing it already in Long beach so there is no reason to expect anything less anywhere else they get a foothold.

As I said no matter how benign this may look on the surface it is insane to allow this kind of infiltration in light of China's stated objectives of war and general dislike of American government. Why will you guys not address this aspect?

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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why do so many people think that "american corporations" give a damn about who works at their plants. they don't!!!...it's all about the money! why do you think "AMERICAN" corporations have moved over 5 million jobs overseas?...it's all about the money!...here we are bashing republicans and democrats, and nobody is calling for a revolution against the corporations. the growth of massive capitialistic control over america is what is lowering our standard of living, not the petty social constructs continually argued over in the main stream media. we democrats and republicans basically want the same thing, to be able to make a decent living, live in a civilized society, with as little government interference as possible. and if you don't think so, you haven't been asking the right questions.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. Both of the plants mentioned are some of the few decent jobs that we have in our area that are independent of the fossil fuel industry. So if they are FTZ then I'm def not buying that these are Chinese socialist implants, of the trojan horse nature, lol. As scary as it sounds in the post, both of these facilities are very heplful to the people of West Virginia and if thats what a FTZ is then I'm all for them.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by MindSpin
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I have been reading through the law and so far I cannot see anywhere that prohibits it.



The law doesn't have to specifically prohibit it...since it is already covered in other laws.

It would have to specifically allow it...please show me that proof.


Well I agree that "should" be the maxim of how the law is applied however the last 50 years of jurisprudence has not worked that way and the laws have been ignored. The proof is they are doing it already in Long beach so there is no reason to expect anything less anywhere else they get a foothold.

As I said no matter how benign this may look on the surface it is insane to allow this kind of infiltration in light of China's stated objectives of war and general dislike of American government. Why will you guys not address this aspect?
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Yes, finally China has a convenient way of bringing in spies...right? Because before that it was such a hassle...

1 word: PARANOIA

Easily visible by you calling it a communist conspiracy when in reality it's CAPITALIST trade



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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I am pretty sure these are done to stimulate trade. Look at BMW within FTZ in Spartanburg, SC.. 10000 jobs



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by auswally
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Each and every one of our state governors has approved and allocated a certain amount of acres of their U.S. state land to be inhabited by Chinese communists --communists straight from China! They are to set up little towns and live here,


I love this bit, giving the Chinese ACRES to set up little towns
what will they bring the doll house to live in,

Sorry mate don't believe the scare mongering, after all the Chinese could buy all the land they wanted too with the trillions of US dollars they already have


Relax

Wal


Sorry friend but I don't think you read the whole thing or if you did you do not understand the magnitude of this. China is being given thier own enclaves of Chinese territory on American soil to live and work free of American law, taxes etc. So no I won't be relaxing, this is treason and espionage by American officials and nothing less! Don't come on this tread and try to dismiss this unless you have some facts. I posted links to the laws state and federal and other news reports of it. Why anyone would say don't about it is just amazing!
Well they won't come take me away!!!!!



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by shift44
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Thanks for the clarification. Both of the plants mentioned are some of the few decent jobs that we have in our area that are independent of the fossil fuel industry. So if they are FTZ then I'm def not buying that these are Chinese socialist implants, of the trojan horse nature, lol. As scary as it sounds in the post, both of these facilities are very heplful to the people of West Virginia and if thats what a FTZ is then I'm all for them.


Yeah well OK lets just put he final nails in the coffin of our manufacturing since it provides a few jobs...Sigh. Yeah nothing to see here folks just move along.

Some of my fellow Americans are can't see the forest for the trees. Lets say this is benign just for the sake of argument here. OK fine they exported our jobs and manufacturing because they could do it for slave labor and avoid government stifling regulation. Now they bring the slave labor manufacturing here instead of levelling the playing field to re-start our own manufacturing and give them all kinds of passes on tax and regulation etc. calling it a Foreign trade Zone.

So why don't they just make them compete here like everyone else.? Because they can't unless they can use slave labor and not be subject to all the regulation etc. Why not just give Americans the same deregulation and pass on taxes in every state and county in America to restart the economy? Hmmmm??? Because they have sold us out to a foreign country pure and simple. Your representatives are traitors they care nothing for you. So you get a couple jobs out of the deal wonderful that is great while your country burns and every vestige of freedom and hard work and ingenuity passes into the annals of history of a once free nation.

Bottom line is China would not be interested unless they could operate with slave labor and tax free. But politicians will not even consider giving you the American people the same freedom to re-start our dying economy! Traitors every one of them that supports this!
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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Yes, finally China has a convenient way of bringing in spies...right? Because before that it was such a hassle...

1 word: PARANOIA

Easily visible by you calling it a communist conspiracy when in reality it's CAPITALIST trade


Ah not spies friend TROOPS now...

1 word: DENIAL

Ah sorry it is not capitalism to favor a foreign nation with deregulated commerce and not your own people. That is called fascism!



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
America while you slept you have been sold to China!

The Chinese are being allowed to set up communist Foreign Trade Zones (FTZ's) in all 50 states! This is extremely disturbing. I live near the Boise area where this is getting some traction and have been hearing of this in the news etc. This folks is a trojan horse scenario if I ever saw one. This is happening in all 50 states folks not Just Idaho.

Here is a message sent to a group I am involved with called Idahoans for Liberty:

And it seems our governor is welcoming them. This is not just Walmart selling Chinese junk this is China setting up sovereign non taxable territory on sovereign Idaho soil not subject to our laws and not employing Americans not adding to the tax base etc. So what bribe did the governor get to allow this and where pray tell does he get the authority to allow it?

Is this the federal government making good on their bad debts to China and handing over state land to China as the collateral on that debt? How far will Americans go and allow this sell out of America? is this one more thing we sit back and do nothing about? Perhaps our esteemed legislators can add this into the nullification bill also? It seems a showdown with the feds over who runs our state is inevitable. While the governor talks the talk he sides with the feds every time in the end. It is time to put a stop to this my friends.

Here is an email I got from the Second amendment Commission


This is an urgent message! Read this and spread the word! Subject: Foreign Trade Zones. This is unbelievable at first, but you will soon realize that there are several motives for the global communists to physically weave our United States territory together with communist China. Read On! Here's what is going on!

Each and every one of our state governors has approved and allocated a certain amount of acres of their U.S. state land to be inhabited by Chinese communists --communists straight from China! They are to set up little towns and live here, supposedly for the purpose of producing Chinese products for sale in the U.S.A. The land the states are giving them for their little towns will be considered "foreign territory"!!! We are told that the laws of the state (in which these Chinese communists dwell) will apply to the communist Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ). Comment: If so, why are they allowed in here!??! Isn't the whole set up unlawful??? There are 257 of these little communist towns to be built all over the United States. Go to this website and see the list of the states, and how many FTZ's are to be erected in each and every state! Our nation is being peppered all over with these communist closed towns called "zones"! This insane brainstorm by Washington, D.C. officials was just recently discovered by alert citizens in the State of Idaho, where an FTZ is being built there, just south of Boise, Idaho, possibly 30,000 acres of Idaho is going to be used for that FTZ. Check this site quickly before it is

ia.ita.doc.gov...

When you get to this website, be prepared by having enough paper to print 40 pages, listing all the FTZ's to be built over the whole United States! 257 of these FTZ's! It is absolute insanity!! How gullible are we??? The excuse given for creating communist towns all over our nation is that these Chinese people will produce products for sale in the United States, and the FTZ will eliminate overseas shipping costs of the products they create! A bizarre excuse!!! Can't we manufacture our own products anymore with American workers? How foolish are we to allow this??? Remember the hard-learned lesson taught to gullible people back in ancient times, when the Trojan Horse was built and they pulled it past their protective gates??? Do we Americans look THAT STUPID to the Chinese and to our Washington,D.C. leaders???

It will not mean jobs for Americans. All the help will be Chinese! Besides, it is to be classed as "foreign territory", remember! You won't know what is really going on inside the enclave. Is there any danger for Americans to allow this? What do you think?!!!

It is a known fact that China has been preparing for war against the United States! Many guns are pointed at us. Why should these FTZ's be allowed??? What is the real reason?? Is it that Washington, D.C. needs foreign help to disarm American citizens (who have privately-owned firearms) so that the federal administration can comply with Public Law 87-297, signed into law by J.F. Kennedy for "general and complete disarmament of the United States"? It is a law continually financed by Washington, D.C. That's the law that calls for us to have no more army, no more navy, and no more air force, all of which is to be transferred over on a permanent basis to the communist-dominated United Nations! That law also prohibits all firearms from being owned by American citizens!

Without firearms, there will be no more liberty, freedom, or justice in government. Guns are the main core of the check and balance system. Our nation's founders realized that firearms in the possession of the people are the indispensible safeguard upon which all of the other rights in the "Bill of Rights" depend! That's why the Second Amendment was meant to be honored, treasured, and preserved!

Some people are wondering if the American land in these FTZ's is being given as collateral for the huge debt we owe to China? Some people are asking: "Does China own us and is our land collateral in case we don't pay the debt?" China is allowing American businesses to get established in China as FTZ's. Americans must build the structures in China, and they must employ all Chinese people to do the work in what is built there. After a short amount of years, the Americans must vacate, leave the buildings and let the Chinese keep the technology and the active operation as on-going. What this amounts to is transferring American technology and management to communist China.

FTZ's are also known as SEZ's (Special Economic Zones) Please relay this information to all your friends. Someone has to answer for this on state and federal levels! What a set-up for sabotage, espionage, and a study on how to take over the whole United States in a war! Because the newspapers and other media are controlled, they will not be reporting on this unless there is a great public outcry. Remember when being a communist was a punishable crime in the U.S.A. My, how we have changed! Complete reversal. Best to take this information to local public officials as well as all your contacts. Please do not delay spreading this information. Check with Idaho Eagle Forum also for updates www.eagleforum.org...


This is it folks if we allow this then we deserve everything we get. This is the perfect cover for bringing Chinese troops onto our soil and give them time to ready bases of operations etc. This is the complete and blatant sell out of America and allowing the enemy in the gate. I just can't believe this would be allowed under the guise of free trade. It just shows how depraved and corrupt our politicians are and how dumbed down the American populace really is.

Related links:
ia.ita.doc.gov...-c
www.whitehouse.gov...
www.project60.idaho.gov...

Yet China clearly tells us they are preparing for war in every direction:

China Prepares For War In All Directions

www.theage.com.au...

China is holding back selling their natural resources while buying up America’s ( maybe using their’s to build up their military? )

www.reuters.com...

republicbroadcasting.org...

Are we really this stupid as the email asks? This is complete insanity. Americans better decide soon if they are going to stand up or it is all but over!!! Gold help us to help ourselves!!!





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You could put your money in the Bank of America and probably by the end the Year, it will be gone.
Or you can put your Money in the Bank of China and it will be still there 10 years from Now.

You can keep your Money or you can be Patriotic?



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
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Yes, finally China has a convenient way of bringing in spies...right? Because before that it was such a hassle...

1 word: PARANOIA

Easily visible by you calling it a communist conspiracy when in reality it's CAPITALIST trade


Ah not spies friend TROOPS now...

1 word: DENIAL

Ah sorry it is not capitalism to favor a foreign nation with deregulated commerce and not your own people. That is called fascism!



So given that the US has similar FTZ in other countries, does that make the US a fascist empire too? Because according to your "logic" it does


I take it you've never studied economics?



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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The US had been putting bases in other countries as well with a different set of rules from the host country. As the world's most powerful nation now, it's now the turn of China to do the same. The head of the most powerful country is usually the most powerful man in the world. Hu is the most powerful man in the world now and he is from China.

If you do not want other countries to set up bases in your country, then do not set your bases in other countries. Follow the Golden Rule.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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So given that the US has similar FTZ in other countries, does that make the US a fascist empire too? Because according to your "logic" it does


Never said otherwise. Doesn't mean the American people should not rise up and take their government back and stop both.



I take it you've never studied economics?


Pot meet black kettle. Let me guess, you define the current socialism/fascism/corporatism as capitalism...
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by wavemaker
The US had been putting bases in other countries as well with a different set of rules from the host country. As the world's most powerful nation now, it's now the turn of China to do the same. The head of the most powerful country is usually the most powerful man in the world. Hu is the most powerful man in the world now and he is from China.

If you do not want other countries to set up bases in your country, then do not set your bases in other countries. Follow the Golden Rule.


So are you suggesting we allow the Chinese take over? Or would you rather the American people rise up and take back thier government and stop both?



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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It is capitalism...not free market (that doesn't exist anywhere in the world anyway), but capitalism nonetheless.

FYI, if it's a free trade zone, it doesn't mean only Chinese nationals get to work there. There's one of the largest FTZ in the world in Senegal (Dakar harbour), and the large majority of the people over there aren't from 1 single ethnic group, even if it was largely funded by the Chinese.

As for "pot meets kettle": Challenge me on any economic topic if you like, but just fyi, I got a masters in economics and real estate, and have been working on international projects (all over the US, Europe, Russia, Africa, and the Middle East) for years. It's one of the subjects I feel very comfortable talking about, compared to let's say "17th century art" of which I have no clue whatsoever. But give it a go if you feel like it


If you really wanna know what's happening to the economy in relation to Asia, I suggest you listen to Jim Rogers...he's brilliant and spot on in his analysis:






posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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This is one of those threads that makes me hesitant to sent ATS links to my cynic friends. The OP posts links and the information contained in those links contradict the very premise the OP is trying to paint. When pointed out to the OP he just ignores it and screams the Chinese are coming.

These zones are simply tariff free. They are NOT immune to US laws and there will not be millions of Chinese immigrants coming over.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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China has being buying up land around the world, taking advantage of the global recession, particularily in Greece. Whether this is good or bad, I'm undecided yet.
There were rumours in Ireland that they may be interested in buying the Irish banks, although they may be now too bad for anyone to buy.

Anyway, there was a big ambitious plan in Ireland to build a huge Chinese complex, with very little detail given, despite the leader of Ireland having met with the investors. I haven't read through the whole thread, but it may be similar to their American plans?




By Eoghan MacConnell, Treacy Hogan and Aine Kerr Tuesday June 22 2010 IT IS one of the most tantalising announcements in recent months -- promising to cut an entire region's dole queue. During an eyecatching PR exercise yesterday, Taoiseach Brian Cowen gave his blessing to a project designed to create 10,000 jobs on a 600-acre rural landbank. The plan is to build a hub dedicated to Chinese factories and other industries which would form a unique European HQ -- just outside Athlone, Co Westmeath. The so-called 'Chinese hub' would give Chinese industry doorstep-access to Europe for their products. Two thousand Chinese workers would also relocate here in the first phase, the backers claimed yesterday. Local developers paid €50m for the land at Creggan during the Celtic Tiger peak and, given the property crash, are keen to see the ambitious plan take off. But last night there were few specific details about the project. Employers If successful, the hub would be one of the biggest single private-sector employers in the country, even bigger than Intel or Hewlett Packard. However, similar ambitious projects that promised huge jobs dividends ended up being mothballed because they ran into planning, legal and financial difficulties. The Taoiseach confirmed he had met Chinese promoters and businessmen in a bid to hammer out a deal. "It's about exploring the potential of this idea and I have met with some of the promoters to see if we can proceed with it," Mr Cowen said. But he refused to speculate further on the creation of the proposed centre, claiming it is best to take a "step-by-step" approach. "The local authorities are making their constructive response to the ideas that are being put forward and what we have to do now is work with them and show that we are prepared to work with prospective investors to see what emerges," he said. Creation of the hub would require the rezoning of hundreds of acres of lands in the area of Creggan, on the Dublin side of Athlone. That process got under way yesterday at Westmeath County Council. Rezoning these lands would also provide for construction of a new school, railway station and hundreds of factory units and apartments. Junior Minister for local services Michael Finneran last night confirmed he had also met the project's promoters on a number of occasions. One such meeting took place in their Beijing office during his St Patrick's Day trip to China. Local Fianna Fail TD Mary O'Rourke also met with promoters from the UK, acting on behalf of the Chinese, as far back as 18 months ago. She said the "dramatic plans" were then shown to the local Chamber of Commerce and to Junior Minister Conor Lenihan. But the whole process went cold until recently, Ms O'Rourke said. It is understood project managers are keen to set up a trade base where clients can test and buy their products -- rather than having to take the long trip to China. However, one government source said things were still at a "very, very early preliminary stage of even talking" and that the Chinese investors were in talks with a number of other European cities. Mr Finneran last night stressed the project had yet to go through the formal planning processes and there were still a range of issues to be finalised. Efforts to contact the IDA and establish its level of involvement, if any, proved unsuccessful last night.


There has been very little about it since, and there was very little information given in the first place. One thing that struck me as odd though, the Irish construction sector has been hit very badly by the recession in Ireland, to the point where its been decimated with a huge number of people having lost their jobs in the sector, yet they want to fly in 2,000 Chinese workers to build it.





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