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US mom kills her teens, reportedly for 'talking back'

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spy66
 


Exactly, just like a car owner could some day run over people waiting for the bus.
You know just one day flip out and mow em down.


I didn't know you could drive a gun to work?!

Must be neat..




posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by badw0lf

Oh yeah! But wait, we've not yet got the "she was MKULTRA GONE BAD" crowd here yet, with their she was a patsy and flipped out paranoia... So shhhhh, no need to gloat yet.



as if you're pure... coh...


Too late. They're already HERE.

Oh yeah! But wait, can we just pick and choose what to ignore, and still come up with a correct answer? Can we?



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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How do you know? Curious.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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There's more HERE for any who have any interest in the reasons why this "mother" would cold-bloodedly kill her children.

Julie Powers Schenecker: Russian Linguist, Previously Associated with U.S. Army Intelligence, and Wife of U.S. Army Intelligence Colonel, Who’s ‘Mainly Responsible for the National Security Agency’s Support to Military Operations,’ Shot and Killed Their Two Children in Florida

Apart from the (obviously edited) "Perp Walk" video, there is more information on her involvement with the military and foreign affairs:
Quoted from above link here:



Update: 2009 Forum Post Indicates Julie Schenecker (Née Powers) Was Army MOS 97E: Human Intelligence Collector 97E: Human Intelligence Collector:

Major Duties: The Human Intelligence Collector (HUMINT Collector) supervises and conducts tactical HUMINT collection operations that include, but are not limited to, debriefings, interrogations and elicitations in English and foreign languages for positive intelligence and force protection information; screens Human Intelligence (HUMINT) sources and documents to establish priorities for exploitation; under CI supervision, plans and participates in counterintelligence and Force Protection Operations (CFSO). Translates and exploits captured enemy documents, foreign language and open source publications. Prepares and edits appropriate intelligence and administrative reports; utilizes CI/HUMINT reporting and communications equipment; uses interpreters and manages interpreter/translator operations; conducts liaison and coordination in foreign language with host nation agencies; conducts analysis and performs briefings as required.
This 97E MOS now appears to be called Human Intelligence Collector (35M).




More: Was Julie Powers Schenecker a First Sergeant?

Via: 18th Military Intelligence Battalion Forum:

Re: What do you not miss the most about the military?

Postby Julie Powers Schenecker » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:30 pm 1SG McMillin’s white glove inspections of our barracks rooms. He once told me that I couldn’t have my pink cannondale parked in my living room to which 1SG Mack replied, “that bike is worth more than your CAR, 1SG!”(the bike was allowed to remain inside)

(More at link)



According to the St. Petersburg Times article below:

Parker Schenecker met Julie Powers in Munich, Germany, where they were both stationed in the late ’80s and early ’90s.

She worked as a Russian linguist for the Army, collecting intelligence for European agencies by interviewing refugees coming from the Eastern Bloc, said Tim Fredrikson, who served with her.

Was Julie Schenecker a CIA or NSA officer who was attached to the Army Intelligence unit? Or, if she was in the Army, what was her rank?


Finally:



With their blood on her clothing, the 50-year-old mother remained at the Tampa Palms house all night. Police didn’t arrive until the next morning, after Schenecker’s mother called them from Texas, worried because she couldn’t reach her daughter, whom she believed was depressed. Schenecker admitted killing her children, Calyx Schenecker, 16, and Powers Beau Schenecker, 13, police said.

She showed no remorse.


Anything seem familiar here?
There's more at the link, I urge everyone to have a quick read of it HERE.
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Very sad.
I personally feel new parents, just like taking their marriage vows and making those promises - they should sign an agreement they will not physically harm their child.

Make a promise to the immediate society you inhabit, where you work, live and shop, the society this child is going to venture out into one day and affect either positively or negatively (which largely depends on the parent),...promise you as a parent will refrain from corporeal punishment.

Promise you will not cement an acceptance and even worse a deep seeded NEED for violence into the psyche of the child.

I know parents can refrain from corporeal punishment and still exact many forms of mental torture on their child. I think this should be frowned upon as well but it is vital to first stop with the physical harm.

And it goes without saying you should not kill your children.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Look, people...

This woman did not "murder" her children!

She just carried out two retroactively-induced abortions via intracranial lead injection.

She has the right to choose, you know.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Yes, we should all write that down and tape it to the refrigerator.

While I totally agree with your thoughts, and your need to express your personal anguish at the current state of parenting, I think you skipped a step:

Parenting should be "Job 1". It was obviously not, in this situation. Prior affiliations with military and alphabet agencies preempted her person and personality, in my own opinion.

As I said, the MK crowd is already on this.

From the 'comments' section at my above posted link:



cgroove69 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

Friends can’t reconcile images of mom accused of killing kids.
“I’m sure a lot of things will eventually come to the surface as to why this tragedy happened,” he said.

“All I can tell you is the person I saw on the news (Friday) being arrested is not the same person I knew.”

Friends can't reconcile images of mom accused of killing kids

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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"In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year USA" VS
The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people. = about 43000 that includes -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns. So odds are your more likely to die at the hands of your local Hospital.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Maybe that's the end to her then:



Authorities say Julie Powers Schenecker was hospitalized shortly after midnight Saturday to be treated for a medical condition that existed before she was taken to jail. Sheriff's deputies — who oversee jail inmates — said they could not reveal Schenecker's medical condition, citing health care privacy laws. A jail spokesman said late Saturday that Schenecker was still at the hospital and that her first court appearance was pending.


From: USATODAY/DelawareOnline Link



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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What a shame. When will society learn to stop neglecting the needs of our children. For far to long society has been to busy in the pursuit of self interests or raising to many children at once to give the proper attention, care and patience.Instead it seems that we rely on daycare, school teachers and television to teach and raise our children. I am sure that the mother was neglected or abused as a child herself. Everyone in that situation was a victim in my opinion .



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

And today's poster child for birth control, psychiatric help, and one of the few times I am FOR extended background checks on a gun (which extends into the above psychiatric protocol) is this gal.

Man there are some seriously deranged people in this world. I have seen quite a few mouthy teens, but hey, this is part of life, and part of being a parent. There are plenty of ways to deal with kids, even defiant ones, that don't require violence.

But this just took things to a whole new level of sickness. This individual:

A) Had no business being a parent to these children. She should have given them up to an agency, or a family member if she was going to do something anywhere NEAR as horrific as this.

and

B) This person should have NEVER had access to a gun to begin with. Guns don't murder people-deranged, sick people do. I'm sure I will take some heat for my latter statement, but this is primarily the truth.

Absolutely horrible.

www.rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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That's right, go blaming guns again here we go.. Do you realize 99% of the time when a mother kills her kids, its by knife, blunt trauma, drowning? Shall we ban water now? People will kill regardless of how.


Deebo



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Do I Care that someone I don't know killed their unruly children? NO! not in the least.

Would I EVER Harm my Children? NO! Nor have I ever considered it.

I think that this may have something to do with BOTH parents having Military backgrounds where you are indoctrinated to not question authority,and to do as your told or suffer the consequences.

I'd also be willing to bet that the Father was the disciplinarian of the family and with him being over seas that the children rebeled and the mother didn't have the coping mechanisms in place to deal with the children in the correct manner.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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I can hear her say: "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out"

Bet ya the kids thought she was just BS'n



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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This is wrong but this is a complex issue that should not be discussed by those who live by simple ideas. I cannot condone murder or maiming of kids. No one gives you a damn manual when you have a kid if they did then the manual would be out of date within a few years and you would need to by another one.

I love my kids but they know I will never be their friend. They know I will always be their father. this distinction speaks volumnes. It is also significant that she is a military wife which has its own issues perhaps.
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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What are you looking for shock reaction? This is the second post like this of yours. For a person who loves kids so much you are stating things that are not reflecting that value very much. Is it because they are teenagers and not pre-adolescent? Is there a magical age that the Dude no longer considers a child a child, but a potentially wicked person? What age would that be exactly?


Under 12.
I now have 85 kids in this facility,and the things they tell me,and the things they have done, lets me know that ,some parents were very lucky to send there kids away,you just dont understand how close some parents are to getting killed.

I had one child come in last year,he was nothing but 14,he had drugs on him and one of the kids told the staff,when we searched his possesions,he had a detailed plan on how he was going to kill his parents,he had a date, feb17,his parents sent him away on the 29th of january.

Theres an old saying.
'I birthed you in this world ,and ill take you out'
I just feel ,if a mother wants to do that,its her choice ,its her kids....period,its in the animal instinct,life isnt fair,but we are animals,regardless of the name.

Its but so much the brain can take,i never seen my grandmother,she died when my mother was 7,she gatheed all 6 of her kids ,and put them in a circle,she blew her brains out right in front of them.What ever was wrong with her mentally, she took it out on her self,i am not saying she was right for what she did,i just dont rush to judgment because some guy writes a thread that says,US mom kills her teens, reportedly for 'talking back'...WITH OUT THE WHOLE STORY FOR THE VEIWERS,but then again i dont have close to 20,000 flags,talk to you later unc.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Am I in the twilight zone or something here?


no DD, you are living in the midst of the death knell of our so called "civilization", and the continuing degeneration of the people in it.

to give you an example re maternity:
once upon a time a woman would just "know" she was pregnant upon conception or shortly after. we all know about "the fat girl next door that didn't know she was preggers until baby decided he/she wanted to come out into the world". of course most of these cases are more a case of denial, as evidenced by an increased alcohol/drug consumption within the previous months.

kids planning to kill their parents,mothers killing their kids cause they messed with their farmville time?

WTF?!!?!?

it's gonna get worse, I'm afraid , and no need to invoke end times either,
this pattern is repeated throughout known history.
and unknown history too. [Slayers 'Atlantis and Lemuria' threads just came to mind,not a brainfart, I'm still waiting for P.3]

just do your best and pass on some kind of Human values by example.

oh and the being framed/set up by TPTB, well, that happens and has happened before, but i don't think it's the case here. what threat did this "reasonable facsimile" represent that they needed to destroy her in such a fashion?

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 
What are you looking for shock reaction? This is the second post like this of yours. For a person who loves kids so much you are stating things that are not reflecting that value very much. Is it because they are teenagers and not pre-adolescent? Is there a magical age that the Dude no longer considers a child a child, but a potentially wicked person? What age would that be exactly?


Under 12.
I now have 85 kids in this facility,and the things they tell me,and the things they have done, lets me know that ,some parents were very lucky to send there kids away,you just dont understand how close some parents are to getting killed.

I had one child come in last year,he was nothing but 14,he had drugs on him and one of the kids told the staff,when we searched his possesions,he had a detailed plan on how he was going to kill his parents,he had a date, feb17,his parents sent him away on the 29th of january.

Theres an old saying.
'I birthed you in this world ,and ill take you out'
I just feel ,if a mother wants to do that,its her choice ,its her kids....period,its in the animal instinct,life isnt fair,but we are animals,regardless of the name.

Its but so much the brain can take,i never seen my grandmother,she died when my mother was 7,she gatheed all 6 of her kids ,and put them in a circle,she blew her brains out right in front of them.What ever was wrong with her mentally, she took it out on her self,i am not saying she was right for what she did,i just dont rush to judgment because some guy writes a thread that says,US mom kills her teens, reportedly for 'talking back'...WITH OUT THE WHOLE STORY FOR THE VEIWERS,but then again i dont have close to 20,000 flags,talk to you later unc.






You're in the industry that handles cases that involve youth who are at risk to fail, so I can't speak from a professional perspective like you can, but victims are victims and perpetrators are perpetrators, and that's the way I look at it. Not from a skewed-up statutory perspective, but from a general moral one understanding victims are sometimes the perpetrators. Such as in many-many domestic cases where a violent female is written up as the victim in a cop's report who has been mandated by femi-nazi inspired legislation to put the male in jail regardless of the circumstances, and to coddle the female who has, if I many give a typical scenario here, just finished with tearing a home apart, and beating the male with weapons. Many times being the case where the only thing the male did was hold the female down securing the real perpetrator until the authorities could arrive. Of course those types of up side down legal situations are now becoming less due to the femi-nazi being pushed back in state houses and governor offices across the country. However there were about 20 years or more of absolute persecution of males by a radical woman's rights advocacy political terrorist cell, an activist gang, who where, still are, orchestrated mainly out of Harvard yard, but also other extreme liberal academic institutions as well that I fully understand and are now publicly known to have turned right and wrong morals up side down through lobbying extreme "man hate" legislation. This so that women could basically victimized men without repercussion from the law.

So I do acknowledge your position. We do not know all the circumstance. However as you must be well aware of already, given your profession, the law is quite clear in all U.S. jurisdictions that in order to use any type of deadly force the other person/s have to be posing an immediate life threatening danger to you or others for it to be legally used.
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2
Look, people...

This woman did not "murder" her children!

She just carried out two retroactively-induced abortions via intracranial lead injection.

She has the right to choose, you know.



While inside the womans body a fetus is not everyones "community property." That's just the way it is.

Is it easier to abandon a child that has already been born? Social programs to assist mothers and children are considered welfare and socialism. Funding is stripped by the same folks who march against abortion rights. Everyone runs in the opposite direction from the finished product. Nobody wants the child then.

What you should be defending is birth control.
Once this is readily available and not stigmatized then you might attempt to ride some sort of moral high ground since the necessity of termination will be greatly lessened but...
mean-while then as now..."For Life" is a euphemism permitting the state or government to come between a woman and her doctor.

Nobody is considering her "LIFE." They are mandating their own personal religious beliefs.

"For Life" is a tricky way of saying the opposite where the actual "American citizen" is concerned.
Contrarily people want to allow the state or government rights to decide personal medical matters.
If you move on this, the next step will be to charge women who have a miscarriage with a crime. Make them prove they didn't engage in any reckless carelessness that resulted in fetal death.

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by Adamanteus
Do I Care that someone I don't know killed their unruly children? NO! not in the least.


I think under and over concern abounds. I wonder what amount of concern for people we do not know is" just right?"

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Hiya remember the big sexism debate? I nearly “friended” you then.

I really have to disagree with you on this one

Firstly of course killing you kids cannot be condoned.

I cannot leave physical chastisement out of the good parent’s tool bag. I know I did it in the past (years ago)and then recently sat down with my kids and formally apologised to them for taking a strap to them when they crossed the line. I always sat down and calmed down BEFORE reaching for the belt because I never did so in a temper. But nonetheless I did apologise.

There will be times when kids need a smack. I hate what I see bad kids doing. Talk and reason is not enough. I have to disagree. I not only brought up mine I also worked with kids in youth centres in the inner city. Many of those kids had two parents and were going to be bad - not naughty. And then when they were bad you could hear the mantra “I blame the parents” unfortunately the state tied the parents hands.


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