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Cops dealing with people, understanding your rights...by a dude

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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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I have read these posts here back and forth for weeks regarding police officers quoting information from law, and other people quoting information from law. I think people are disillusioned into thinking that we are a free country, we are in a sense. However there are laws that are put into place including amendments because some laws are not only outdated but are useless. Our constitution is flexable and think of it as the framework for all laws in the USA.

When the need arises the laws are amended and changed based off alot of different factors. These laws go through a legislative process and eventually become legal. Police officers dont put these laws in place but police officers will have represenitives that will lobby for certain laws because of the way crime changes, law enforcement must change.

I have been involved with law enforcement for almost 12 years. I started in the casino industry specializing in casino investigations, went into the military, then joined a state police organization. I am now working fraud in the private sector. The men and women in law enforcement have a tough job that,\ people on here that complain about them couldnt do. It does take a special person to run toward an active shooter while everyone else is running away. That police officer has a father, mother, probably married with children. There is the real possibility that he may not see his family again, because he may be trying to protect someone elses family from someone who committed a crime.

I do have to say I disagree with a LEO on here about writing tickets. Using discretion to write on certain laws is not helping. By doing this it can hurt LEOs and it happened to a friend of mine. A friend of mine and I have been keeping track of when he stops people that are let go by police officers, that not only talk there way out but are beligerent to LEOs. What we have found is alot of these people are now so used to getting away with something and when that one LEO puts their foot down and writes them a ticket, a fight breaks out. When interviewed they all say the same thing, this is enabling bad behavior.

I am not saying be a ticket writing monster, I am saying find a happy medium. People for some reason think when they get stopped, they know everyone, there is this attitude they have. I have always ignored it but if someone has an attitude, they are probably getting a ticket. Forget about getting a break from going 100mph hour, your going to jail. It works here and this state is notorious for it. You know what though our fatalities have gone done. This all probably sounds like I have an attitude but I dont and I am not very strict either. I dont believe in rewarding bad behavior that is intentional. If someone is truly remorseful then these factor in.




posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
TO THE MODS:
I would respectfully request that the tolerence of off topic post exist here as existed in my thread about the people getting along with cop and understanding their rights. Fair is fair. These freeman derailed that thread and nothing was done.
Seeashrink


Im not a freeman.....im just not going to accept what a cop tells me...as they dont know the law


EDIT: If cops knew the law they would be judges or barristers....and be getting paid a hell of a lot more money for their knowledge
Cops know little bits of law....no cop can say they know the law without lying
edit on 30-1-2011 by loves a conspiricy because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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ignorance or denial does not void a contract. a judge will look at you as if you had three heads and then throw you out of his court ive seen this done.

thats like saying i didnt know that i had to pay for this car. there was no contract.
or i thought the speed limit signs were for information only
or when a light changes colors its testing me for color blindness
or that i didnt understand my credit card bill because it has to much information.

if you want a license follow the rules, if you dont, relinquish it and ddont drive and dont complain



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
reply to post by goose97
 


Common law doesnt exist?? I somehow think you are mistaken


To clarify, I did not say it doesn't exist. I wrote it does not apply to us. We have all been placed under or born into the jurisdiction of commerce law, or so the "conspiracy theory" goes.

It is clear to everyone that a truck driver who delivers goods is subject to commerce law and must be so licensed and abide by all commerce regulations regarding transport on the roads.

But so are ordinary car drivers. All streets where cars drive on are classified as shipping lanes and subject to commercial regulations. So everyone driving on those streets are also subject to commerce law. Recall in the 50's California passed a law reclassifying all streets and avenues as "highways". Why would they do that? Because all highways are shipping lanes under commerce law.

Also note that all traffic laws classify other people in your as "passengers" and not guests. The legal definition of a passenger is one carried for hire as opposed to a guest who is one carried gratuitously i.e. without expected financial return. Why are all other people in the car then classified as passengers and not guests? You guessed it, because you are operating the vehicle under commerce law.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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believe it or not cops do know enough of the law to perform their job functions.
your right cops are not judges or lawyers.
cops are people who are sworn to uphold the constitution, and serve in a public capacity and enforce the laws of which they are sworn to uphold.

that is exactly why you have lawyers a prosecutor and a judge and or a jury to decide if someone is innocent or guilty. we may not be experts but we know when someone violates a law



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by surfnow2
reply to post by loves a conspiricy
 


believe it or not cops do know enough of the law to perform their job functions.
your right cops are not judges or lawyers.
cops are people who are sworn to uphold the constitution, and serve in a public capacity and enforce the laws of which they are sworn to uphold.

that is exactly why you have lawyers a prosecutor and a judge and or a jury to decide if someone is innocent or guilty. we may not be experts but we know when someone violates a law


I agree to a degree on what you have said.
Clearly things are different here in the UK



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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this is all irrelevant, the federal goverment doesnt govern state drivers licenses. the states are given the power by the 10th amendment to make and change laws as that are appropriate to their state.




federal doesnt always supercede state law and vise versa. this is why we dont have a dictatorship.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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wow, a cop who understands law.hhhhmmmmm



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by surfnow2
I have read these posts here back and forth for weeks regarding police officers quoting information from law, and other people quoting information from law. I think people are disillusioned into thinking that we are a free country, we are in a sense. However there are laws that are put into place including amendments because some laws are not only outdated but are useless. Our constitution is flexable and think of it as the framework for all laws in the USA.


Whoa! You're a cop??? And you think the Constitution is flexible? Folks, I think we have just identified one of the major flaws of our system... Cops think our founding document is flexible!


Surfnow2, if the Constitution was so "Flexible" why does it require a full 2/3 majority of both houses to Ammend it??? The Constitution is NOT the "Framework for all laws" it IS the ultimate law. There is none higher and NO LAW can violate ANY part of the Constitution.

Thanks for your input. I thas certainly clarified a great deal for me on why this country is falling apart - ou law enforcement have no idea what the Constitution is or how it works!



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by surfnow2
I have read these posts here back and forth for weeks regarding police officers quoting information from law, and other people quoting information from law. I think people are disillusioned into thinking that we are a free country, we are in a sense. However there are laws that are put into place including amendments because some laws are not only outdated but are useless. Our constitution is flexable and think of it as the framework for all laws in the USA.


Whoa! You're a cop??? And you think the Constitution is flexible? Folks, I think we have just identified one of the major flaws of our system... Cops think our founding document is flexible!


Surfnow2, if the Constitution was so "Flexible" why does it require a full 2/3 majority of both houses to Ammend it??? The Constitution is NOT the "Framework for all laws" it IS the ultimate law. There is none higher and NO LAW can violate ANY part of the Constitution.

Thanks for your input. I thas certainly clarified a great deal for me on why this country is falling apart - ou law enforcement have no idea what the Constitution is or how it works!


If i could give you 2 stars and a flag i would...but i cant so just the one star will have to surfice


Its like over here and the Magna Carta....nothing can alter or supersede it as its the law of the land...written by law men, not politicains



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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You misunderstand my intention when I spoke of the loud music. You are absolutely right when you state that you have the right to listen to whatever you want to in your car. I don’t care if you listen and repeat the Hitler speeches. As long as it does not infringe upon the rights granted to me to not be subject to it against my wishes. If your windows are completely up and you feel the need to blast your music at such a level that it escapes your vehicle and disrupts mine and society’s peace then yes I will stop you. Yes I’m counting bass in with that. If you drive by with your rattling trunk booming bass then yes I will cite you for it. You have rights but so do I and the citizens of this town. As far as the cruelties you have witnessed then I feel somewhat sorry for you. I say somewhat because did you take any action against this? Did you record it and report them? If not then I personally find you as guilty as the corrupt officers that performed these dastardly deeds. Do not complain of offenses and corruption if you have no plan or intention of stopping them. I gladly give you permission to report me of any wrong doings you find with me and I promise no repercussions for doing so.

Again I’m sorry for the off topic post. To the OP I would like to thank you for the well written and brilliantly visualized speech. At least you did your homework. However it just isn’t possible. By your standards we should not have stop light/signs? No law governing which lane im supposed to drive in? What if I want to drive in the opposite lane? The law says I can’t but your argument says I can because it infringes upon my freedom of travel on any state road in any way I see fit. See where I’m going here? There must be some law otherwise you have chaos. I understand where you are coming from. I really do. Every day I fight my upper echelon because I refuse to follow rules “just because”. Give me a reason. I think you are headed in the right direction and are thinking correctly. However you have just latched onto the wrong cause.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by loves a conspiricyHe was not arrested for contempt of court...he did a lot of stuff that would normally mean you would be led away to a cell.


Ok, so the judge was more tolerant than some others - this proves nothing. Contempt of court is not an absolute it is a subjective charge.


Originally posted by loves a conspiricy Im pretty sure there was an update to this?? I will have a look around and see if i can find the conclusion to this court case


I've yet to find it...besides if this freeman thing held any water what so ever lawyers would be jumping all over themselves to "advise" people how to do it for money.

That and people; especially those who regularly violate the "statutes" would be more than willing to pay since in the end I would save them a lot of time and grief if they simply new the magic words to get out of jail free.

Certainly lawyers would use this argument to their advantage in any personal dealings with the court or judges for that matter. I wonder if they call in their knowledge of the law to get out of paying taxes or say getting a traffic ticket.

I don't see any evidence of lawyers or judges using these interpretations to their advantage. Certainly these bottom feeders would use this knowledge for personal gain... However, American media loves to expose a corrupt official - especially if that official is a republican. I opine that this would have been common knowledge by now it if it actually worked.

I have found no credible and irrefutable evidence of this working - there are some videos I've seen from Canada that seem to show a guy getting out of having a cardboard license on his car but that's not here. Never seen anything from the US.

When this hits the main stream with the headline - The Government is a Corporation and their Laws no longer bind you! I am afraid this would create anarchy the likes of which would rival Somalia or the Sudan we'd have AK-47 wielding gangs of people who no longer bound by any statutes would be burning their tax forms within 24 hours. I'll believe it when I see that... Until then I think I'll go ahead and renew my license.

I certainly bet you'd be wondering where the Policemen and Soldiers are then?

The answer will be when they found out they are cooperate entities no longer bound to their oaths to an unconstitutional government and realized they won't get paid because taxes are unconstitutional and that a standing Army is also unconstitutional - they went home.

You will be all on your own - the only true common law then will be that the person or group of persons who come out on top of the chaos (likely the ones with the most guns) will make that law at gunpoint as they see fit.

I assure you it will probably be a lot more like feudalism and/or a police state than what you think we have now.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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I just want to say a few things real quick. It doesn't matter if you are a dickhead to the cop, in fact it could help in some cases(by making their job harder than it needs to be) either way their job is to keep the peace and protect civilians and u can legally say # you to a cop on the street for no reason , I remember this one time a cop pulled up next to me with no probable cause while I was parked and flashed me in the face with his sidelight, I gave him some hardcore attitude and he just left and said "later dude!"..... Second thing I want to say is how dirty cops are, for one example I was at the local 7 11 the other day and the cop walks in, grabs a coffee, and walks right out without paying for it, is that not breaking the law? I also had an ex cop directly tell me exactly how they get around the illegality of having a "quota" for a certain amount of tickets per month, they don't literally tell the cops they have a quota, they say something like, if you want those new bmw motorbikes next month, then go out and give tickets.... Basically I'm just saying, alot of cops act like they are upholding the law, when in fact alot of those cops are actually abusing their positions and breaking the law. I'm always a dickhead to cops, just because I know I can be legally, and they for the most part deserve it, they act like they put their lives on the line for you, but we all know they are pussies that take 20 minutes to get to a robbery and only arrive 10 minutes after the gunman has long gone....but when a kid gets his bike stolen they come in less than 5 minutes right away hmmm..... LA riots baby, I'm a korean and my parents owned liquor stores that got shot up, so I damn well know what I'm talking about. Go protecting the white neighborhoods and leave us to make some civil arrests holding a shotgun on the roof hahhaha....
edit on 30-1-2011 by intj123 because: added details



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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It is obvious from your post that you are unfamiliar with the movement. One must FIRST gain administrative rights over their strawman and then extricate themselves lawfully from the contracts by which they are bound. Once done, the defense is perfected. The reasons most lawyers do not do this is that they make money by having people trapped in the system. They are masters of Uniform Commercial Code manipulation and recognize that Common Law does not require the services of an attorney.

BTW, there is a major difference between a Lawyer and an Attorney. Interestingly enough, Attroneys accept the title of Esquire in violation of the law. This mere fact is not lost on those of us familiar with freeman movement. Accepting a title of nobility and membership in the BAR (British Accredidation Agency) should be enough to tell you who attorneys swear allegience to! Hint: It ISN'T the Constitution!



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by loves a conspiricy

Originally posted by seeashrink
TO THE MODS:
I would respectfully request that the tolerence of off topic post exist here as existed in my thread about the people getting along with cop and understanding their rights. Fair is fair. These freeman derailed that thread and nothing was done.
Seeashrink


Im not a freeman.....im just not going to accept what a cop tells me...as they dont know the law


EDIT: If cops knew the law they would be judges or barristers....and be getting paid a hell of a lot more money for their knowledge
Cops know little bits of law....no cop can say they know the law without lying
edit on 30-1-2011 by loves a conspiricy because: (no reason given)


You're right. But, let me ask you something. If you are hurt in an accident, broken bones, bleeding, etc. Would you rather have a surgeon show up or an EMT/Paramedic. If you don't know the answer it is the Paramedic. He actually knows more about what to do in that situation than the surgeon.
If you have someone break into your house you want a cop to show up, not a lawyer. The cop knows more than the lawyer in that situation. We all have our place.
Seeashrink



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by surfnow2
I have read these posts here back and forth for weeks regarding police officers quoting information from law, and other people quoting information from law. I think people are disillusioned into thinking that we are a free country, we are in a sense. However there are laws that are put into place including amendments because some laws are not only outdated but are useless. Our constitution is flexable and think of it as the framework for all laws in the USA.


Whoa! You're a cop??? And you think the Constitution is flexible? Folks, I think we have just identified one of the major flaws of our system... Cops think our founding document is flexible!


Surfnow2, if the Constitution was so "Flexible" why does it require a full 2/3 majority of both houses to Ammend it??? The Constitution is NOT the "Framework for all laws" it IS the ultimate law. There is none higher and NO LAW can violate ANY part of the Constitution.

Thanks for your input. I thas certainly clarified a great deal for me on why this country is falling apart - ou law enforcement have no idea what the Constitution is or how it works!


The Legal Latin Definition of Constitution is "Agreement to pay back another's debt" the Constitution is in fact article number 1 regarding evidence of a fraud and crime that predates the document by a good 150 years.

Written at the insistence of the Holy Roman Empires Prince, Prince Elector, and Arch-Treasurer, who retained the right to be the United States Prince Elector and Arch-Treasurer also known as King George it exists to gaurantee payement in perituity of the stock and bond investements of Europeans in the original corporation before the management change that introduced to us our founding fathers and all the legends and myths that surround and obscure their crimes.

The Constitution is in fact what insures, ensures, and protects the Shadow Government.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Your post just screams maturity and intelligent reasoning powers.
Seeashrink



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by AntiCitizenZone
The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.


Can provide a link to the complete ruling of this case?

After a fairly exhaustive search, I was unable to locate it. The only places it is even mentioned is on websites quoting the same passage as you and for the same purpose. Some cite it as being a "Supreme Court" ruling, however, neither the SCOTUS website nor findlaw.com contain any information on that case.

One source indicated it was a case in Virginia, however, I had no luck using that in the search terms, either.

I would use extreme caution in just trusting something you've been told about case law, without some independent verification.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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That is an interesting presentation. I would love to know more about this as my studies have focused almost exclusively on what has occurred long AFTER the founding of the United States. Can you point me to any additional information that explores this deeper? Thanks!



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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read War is a Racket by Smedley BUTLER. i read it after processing out, and discovered the evil I participated in. what en eye opener to have the veil removed. everything i stated i did and can prove it to those that matter.. my point is that by now every police officer must at least have a remote idead that what they do is not Kosher with the spirit of what our country was founded on..

i witnessed LAPD (while on bortac) snort lines on duty!! then ride around looking to bust others for the same thing!! i saw them pull over an off-duty cop for traffic infractions, flash and be let go.. then an hour later pull over some civ for speeding (at a lower rate) and be ticketed.. that sir proves that police today are part of the problem.. youtube "cops out of control".. dash cam evidence of wrong doing.. AND, every dept has crooked cops, yet the few good guys turn a blind eye.. that is pure despicable behavior.. every officer knows of at least one crooked judge..




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