Does the 13th amendment make forced Child support illegal?, page 10


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reply posted on 16-2-2011 @ 02:14 AM by galadofwarthethird
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Whatever. Because really no matter what is said you will try and turn untruths to truths and truths to untruths, so everything confirms to your narrowly biased worldview. You make as much rational sense as that feminist troll.

What exactly is so biased that you seem to be so emotional about, did you not say you do not even have kids. So why with all the hoopla about this subject. Like I said no piece of paper or any law or court is going to fix this if the people involved don't get there # together. Is that not what all those systems are for anyways? if # does not work, then a third entity will make it work somehow magically. And why do you compare me to the feminist lady, I really don't agree on much with them, and there as weird as you are.


Hate to break it to you but the wage gap is mostly caused by women not working as hard or taking time off(In Gen X), picking less profitable careers. In Gen Y there is a very real wage gap of Gen Y women earning almost 1.25$ more then Gen Y men because of gross gender discrimination in the educational system.

So what then? You want to start a some sort of maninst group, so as things become more fair in that department? Have you thought that it might have nothing much to do with all that, just that there are more middle men type jobs out there now a days, that would cater more to the less then physical domains, and that this whole civilization is changing.


Dude your still not getting it. All your "bash the male" style of justice will get you is the really scummy scum involved in a kind of hyper-gammy while smarter males stay away. Leading to de-evolution, propagation of mass poverty and a huge socio-economic mess. In short your guaranteeing a future that looks more like Idiocracy then Star Trek.

I am not bashing males, why would you think that. Though you could be right on the whole leading to de-evolution and a Idiocracy type of society, but then again one mistake you make is that. You assume we aren't in one already, but it can always get worse thats for sure. And I don't think this issue is as big as all that, that it would be capable of destroying civilization as you say. It's just mostly about bad relationships and kids, that it comes down to.

And really Star Trek is that your vision for a better future. "No offence to Star Trek nerds, you all are a touchy bunch" But you got to realize that Star Trek is as silly as Idiocracy in many ways, but whatever floats peoples boats I guess. And for some reason people want to go live in space, in a can, when they cant even live on a planet that offers all they would need, some how they think they will be capable of living in space, in a small cramped space ship, without killing each other, when they cant even do that on earth. But anyways.



It's like your eyes are closed, your ears refuse to listen and your mouth only speaks lies. Can't change the system because of the recession? I hate to break it to you but 80% of the job's lost where male job's. Female controlled sectors of the economy are still solid and expanding at an alarming rate(within another 20 years most lawyers, Doctors and other skilled professions will become female dominated professions). It is like your stuck in the 50's-60's.

Lol is that what your worrying about? Try the total wipe out of this paradigm in more then a couple of generations, and no, I do not believe there will be any favorites. And your worried about more females becoming doctors and lawyers, wtf. And as you can see its starting to begin to start, in that process, usually such things do not go smooth, but we will see.


reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 04:45 AM by korathin
Originally posted by Adamanteus
Section 1 of the Thirteenth Amendment:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

If one is ordered to pay child support and has no job then they WILL be incarcerated once the amount owed reaches a certain amount.

I have two children and DO Pay my child support (of my own free will) and would never dream of NOT paying it. I was just wondering if this could be interpreted to make forced Child support unconstitutional?


Yes and no. The only way Child Support is legal is if the payee is found guilty of abandonment or some kind of neglect type crime. As the 13th Amendment makes allowances for criminal's losing certain rights.

This would require proof and prevent the states from grabbing the money(our current concept of child support was created to refill state coffers from the cost of welfare for single mothers) easily. So right now they are using the civil court system(which doesn't have the authority to bi-pass the 13th Amendment, only a trial by Jury does).

Some could argue that the entire family court system, since it uses a Civil Court approach(and the Supreme Court has already ruled that Civil court is outside the Constitutional Protections) is an act of insurrection against the USA. Meaning every family court officer and Judge is guilty of a capital offense.

The law's that require a person to be arrested merely force Judges in Civil Court to hold a person in "contempt of Court" for falling behind. And contempt of court wasn't created to enforce court ruling per-se, but to enforce order in the Courts.

Child Support= Welfare paid by Men to predominantly White Women and is useful to get "uppity" black males thrown in prison. Hence who 95% of Anglo/Scott Irish Americans(especially Anglo guy's) will jump up and down in it's defense. because it enables them to "protect their women" and oppress African Americans.
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Child Support isn't for the children. That is why the Courts do everything they can to limit non-custodial fathers time, because the more time the Child spends with the mother the more money they get from the federal Government. It is a giant mafia like kick back scheme to finance women's "Independence" via the mass enslavement of males. So that one day soon the system can be declared "unconstitutional", and millions of women will be caught unaware/unprepared and willing to accept anything to survive. Thus enabling the chauvinistic woman hating(to deny women's inherent human rights is an act of hatred) White Knights to roll back the clock.


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