Weekend of protests across the UK

Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by TedHodgson

 

Nobody should vote for either of them in the next General election. Now that would screw up the democratic so called system.

Labour, Conservativs and the Liberals are as bad as each other. None of these parties can be trusted anymore. Hell no politician can be trusted anymore. They all should resign at the next election. And let us the elector get rid of them once and for all.

And its about high time, us citizzens came out and stuck it to them. These protests are only going to become bigger and more violent as they go along.

Thank you so much for knowing the truth about your power as a citizen.

But please tell the kids who get out of hand to remain peaceful.

This will allow you to eventually convince the police forces of the truth.

By using violence they get Defensive and it makes it very painful to win.
But through diplomacy and friendship we can change things together.

reply to post by Catch_a_Fire


Ah so i was right then

I have woken up You however seem to live in a world of poverty and Poorness from the way you talk.

Theres plenty of Good Jobs out there, If you try youll get one, And Earn some money Or you can spend it all on beer :

Or maybe if its hard times do some Voluntary work With CSV uk, Apparently Even the voluntary work pays better than your brothers apprenticeship, Im with them at the moment earning £75 a week with all housing and out of pocket expenses paid for, And before anyone starts moaning about how they are Poor Anyone can Join Csv Full time and earn the same

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by MMPI2

 

Off the top of my head:

1) The government has a monopoly on the use of force to enforce their claim to the natural resources of the state, over the objections or wellbeing of thee people who actually live there.

2) If through financial or legislative means, the "government" removes the ability to compete with its corporate benefactors, the people will no longer have the means to "earn" their education, their "health insurance" or even their food and shelter. The people cannot address this through force, as the government alone "owns" this right (see 1 above). Therefore -- what would you recommend they do to address the inequality?

Abolish the government.
Declare sovereignty as citizens.

Put the thieves on the run.
Transition to a new Government that favors no one alone, but favors all citizens alike.

Make sure to never allow "elites" or "special interests" to gain control of the Legislative Process. Always keep it in the hands of the people.

This is what I want in my own nation, the USA. And I believe it is what the common folk in all nations globally want.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I merely stated that i can infact save £1500 for a package education when i have worked full time for a year, Which i can,

Infact most people can

And if you had a full time job you would be able to too

Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by Catch_a_Fire

 

Ah so i was right then

Far from it.

I have woken up You however seem to live in a world of poverty and Poorness from the way you talk.

I actually run my own small business but have been at that end of the scale.....what of it?

Theres plenty of Good Jobs out there, If you try youll get one, And Earn some money Or you can spend it all on beer

I actually dont drink except at christmas.......are you going to keep making silly assumptions?

A lot of people on here have just seen you for what you are......pathetic.

Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

I merely stated that i can infact save £1500 for a package education when i have worked full time for a year, Which i can,

Infact most people can

And if you had a full time job you would be able to too

edit on 29/1/11 by TedHodgson because: (no reason given)

Do you think a well educated populace is good for a country? Is it worth investing in?

Originally posted by MMPI2

is this whole thing just a bunch of entitled brats finally having the silver government spoon yanked out of their mouth?

The few % who own 90% of the wealth of the world seem extremely entitled.

Did they scrub toilets better? No? They just owned a lot of slaves basically? Ok...

I love it when the poor class of society is labeled "entitled brats" while the elite wealthy classes are called the deserving. It makes sure that society overall is restless and conflicted. Don't ya love that. Political and economic instability for the win ?

Because the attitude of some in this thread stinks, and it's very relevant to this thread, but I haven't time to type it all out again ... here's something I said in an earlier thread a few weeks ago:

Originally posted by Dagar

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK


The world owes you nothing, YOU have to take RESPONSIBILITY and get on with it.....

Ok and fine ... but

Stop taxing the crap out of people, on the pretext you are going to provide free education... then carry on taxing the crap out of people whilst asking them to pay for their education.

Not the people's fault you decided to waste our taxes on bailing out a load of bankers, and now expect the people to pay that debt as well.

I agree with the principle of you pay your own way... The trouble is people have... FOR GENERATIONS!!... Those kids' parents (and this country) paid more tax (directly and indirectly) than pretty much any other country in Europe except possible some of the Scandinavian countries.

We pay taxes on our fuel that would have our American cousins screaming blue murder and reaching for their guns

We pay so much tax on our alcohol and cigarettes that people take daytrips over to France to stock up and still spend a fraction of what they would over here.

We pay taxes till we literally resemble a corpse after a pack of vampires has been at it.

We do this so our government provides healthcare, education, pensions, and everything else they use as an excuse to Tax us.

The reason people are getting so hacked off to the point of violence is because we bailed out a whole bunch of Hooray Henries who were 'too big to fail'. Now, those same Hooray Henries are telling our governments that we are spending too much money (go figure), and our government is either cutting services we paid for, or asking people to pay for them again.

We don't get 'free' education or healthcare, contrary to what most Americans think... We pay taxes to have them provided when we need them. We don't pay those taxes to have our government bail out all those 'too big to fail' establishments!!

Originally posted by Mike_A

People are very quick to condemn all politicians as crooks and liars

I think you made a great post.

But I want to say I think the individual people are Not the problem.

The problem is a unjust system.

If we can fix the system, we won't have to worry about individuals so much, because they wouldn't have the power to screw things up in the first place.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


To be honest Woodward these days People seem to get quite far Just going into full time employment after doing a few training courses

I certainly Dont need my qualification for the voluntary work im doing at the moment, But its definately going to help in the future

Originally posted by Catch_a_Fire
reply to post by TedHodgson

 

Fuzzy world?......

My brother in law was working a 48 hr week on an apprenticeship to earn £70 a week, now think of the living costs in this country right now and then guesstimate what he may have been left with. Then after 2 years in this apprenticeship the government wouldnt help with the cost of him earning his level 3 to become fully qualified, 2 years down the drain and nothing worthy to show for it.

edit on 29/1/2011 by Catch_a_Fire because: spelling

I like the way Chris Rock put it, "work two jobs just to come home broke".

We are the producers of wealth, and a vast % of that product is being hidden away by our "employers" who are deceiving us about the true amount of theft taking place here.

The top few % of the population are actually not working much at all, in terms of labor applied and product created. They are more like a leech, sucking the productivity away from the citizens.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr


Do you think a well educated populace is good for a country? Is it worth investing in?

In the 21st Century?

Nah!

Crazy some people don't know what your talking about isn't it??
Scary.

Personally I fully support the Students, and the principle that we need a nation of educated people..

But with themes like UKUncut running alongside the student protests, I expect this year we'll see a broader section of society protesting against the Gov.

reply to post by Catch_a_Fire


Nope, now i know your Deluded

I left school at 18 after doing A-Levels, Then Worked for a year To save up for An education, Could afford Uni so got a package course From the Open-University, Then did another year of work whilst completing the course-work. Now im Doing voluntary Social care.

Yet you seem to claim that its impossible i did So because of living costs.......

Ive never heard such a silly thing in my life

Originally posted by MMPI2
pardon my naivete, but please explain to me exactly what these people are protesting. I would appreciate it.

Its the weekend, the yobs are bored and being shown up by the egyptians.
The wellington has run out of chips
take your pick..

Some will attach real meaning to it...but ultimately, it came down to some d00dz seeing the protests in egypt going on, remembered the good ole days of the student protests in england, and said..oi, lets do that again, it was a good laugh, and its the weekend, why not.

1) Protest
2) attach meaning to protest
3) ???
4) Profit


Now for the conspiracy theory:
Perhaps "TPTB" is trying to create little revolts here and there to remove focus off of egypt so to stop the pressure off the egyptian government.

reply to post by TedHodgson


Nowhere have i said its impossible, i am simply stating that it is becoming more difficult through government cut backs.

Stop grasping at straws trying to win an argument.

reply to post by Catch_a_Fire


Of course its difficult, Everythings difficult, I was only getting irritated because you stated at the beggining of the thread that i could not have acheived what i have because i couldnt afford it.

LOL, it would take a school leaver a lot longer than a year to save that at the rates they get paid these days.

Yet i could and did

reply to post by TedHodgson


Re-read the thread, nowhere did i state anything like in your 2nd previous post and nor did i say anything directly about what you achieved.

If you cant debate without getting so worked up that you have to get offensive and presumptious then maybe ATS isnt the place for you.

reply to post by Catch_a_Fire


There would have been no need to Debate If you hadnt clearly stated a School leaver couldnt Save £1500 in a year.

If you cant back up your points then dont make presumtions based on A singular case of your brothers apprenticeship in the first place

Originally posted by Catch_a_Fire
reply to post by MMPI2

 

I wouldnt say that, but i can see how you would. When you live in a country that is taxed like we are, you would understand peoples anger.

yep. like the old saying goes...

"Socialism is all well and good until you start to run out of other peoples' money to spend."