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"UFO Over Temple Mount in Jerusalem" [discussion and analysis of multiple videos HERE]

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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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reply to post by Mr Mask


Sadly...its been proven to be a hoax.

 


With the utmost in respect intended,

Please stop with such disinformative opinions. If this were proven to be a hoax, it would be in the hoax bin - and not currently in this forum. You can not definitively call this a hoax because you have no scientific backing on the matter. You only have flawed theory and speculation put forth by amatuers.

Stop making such wild opinions and speaking for everyone else here - this video has not been proven by any scientific evaluation to be a hoax - nor has any of the other videos. We need the ATS PTB in here stat so they can have experts review these videos.

Until that time comes where the STAFF of ATS rules that these are indeed hoaxes and files them in that catagory - your comments such as "its been proven a hoax" are completely FALSE - and are only a matter of YOUR opinion. I would have left you alone if you stated that "it is my opinion these are hoaxed" - but "proven"??? - you sure do have a lot of faith in other people that you can't even investigate this on your own, and you take their word for it - then try to speak for the ATS staff stating that it has been "proven" when this isn't even in the hoax catagory... interesting.

Who are you to be the judge and jury on this matter anyhow? I haven't seen you go out and screen grab anything or even talk about how these could be hoaxes with your own theories: you use everyone else's words to back your speculation. That in itself is a fraud and hoax.

I myself have stated that these "could" be hoaxes - but I make no assertations that they are "proven" - that is just not true.




posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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1) It HAS been debunked and proven to be a hoax, weather or not it being moved (yet) or told to you by staff.

2) As long as we have a community here that is allowed to openly state they know space reptiles are here...I will continue to have the right (being wrong or not) to call this a hoax, and I will put my credibility on the matter.

3) The background moving independently from the foreground is proof of a hoax, as there is no possible explanation what so ever (FACT) for there to be separate perspectives. That is impossible. It can not be a product of CCD failure, CMOS malfunction/image-lag, or any other digital anomaly you can think of. FACT.

Now...since it bothers you seeing me type this, I recommend you either report me for it, or just ignore me. Either way, I will continue to tell you the truth-

THERE IS NO EXPLANATION for there to be two separate plains of perspective in this video moving detach from each other. None.

Been using film for over 25 years. Have studied perspective my whole life as an artist under professionals in the field. Even researched the answer just to be sure. There is NO reason for two perspectives to be moving against the laws of perspective, as put in place by Aeschylus himself...none, zero, zip.

As for implying I am regurgitating other's words and that makes my words here fraudulent- I'm sorry, that is not true.

What would make my words fraudulent would be if they were not true. And I'm sorry to say- They are true.

I didn't notice the anomaly myself, but once it was pointed it it is unmistakable and impossible to ignore.

I don't know crap about editing special effects...that is not my talent or area of knowledge.

But I assure you...two things I've worked with for almost my entire life is-

Film and perspective. Sorry...the proof is in the pudding. And sooner or later someone will show up with proper credentials to show you that this anomaly is impossible and that it INDEED proves a hoax.

Until then...you will have to suffer my claim. Weather you believe it or not.

As for saying it has not been proven...you can tell that to Galileo while he was waiting for his claims to be "proven" by the church.

MM

EDITED TO ADD- With all respect.

edit on 31-1-2011 by Mr Mask because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Background shifting is pretty much evidence of dodgey motion tracking.

As said before ... wouldn't actually take much effort to make this at all.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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You know just because you can debunk a UFO video with proof does not make the video debunked or fake.You can add airplaes in videos and I guess that would mean airplanes are automatically fake.Some skeptics are not using common sense at all.Dishonest skepticism is just as bad as the hoaxers.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Might as well ad human beings in pictures and if you never saw a human being it would automatcaiily be debunked if you thought this way by hoaxing a video.Bottom line is every single object can be added to look like a real video in todays technology.You can add birds,insects,animals,planes,helicopters ect.Any video of a real UFO can be claimed as being debunked with video editing and fake hoaxing.When you hoax a UFO hoaxer you are doing the same thing the hoaxer has done.
Which proves my point it may not always be a hoax.The lack of common sense is realy sad to see with some people.
edit on 31-1-2011 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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You can make people fly off the ground with video editing and hoaxing as well.Since no one has ever seen a human walking down the street take off flying like superman then we understand it is a trick with cameras and videos.People do not understand this subject is a big problem.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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The same exact thing just happened in Utah. There has been a correlation with UFO sightings and something big happening in those areas after the arrival of these Things in the sky. UFO's or things were sighted before 911 and also sighted before Haiti Earth quake. Might I ad close to the site where 911 and Haiti earthquake occurred. There are several other of these instances too. Watch the things in Utah !!!! www.youtube.com...



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Don't know if this has posted yet, but wanted to include it with the other vids.
www.youtube.com...



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Yes it has. Looks like they are filming a photo. Just look at the lights...



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by strato
reply to post by Tompdx3
 


Yes it has. Looks like they are filming a photo. Just look at the lights...
Yea no doubt about that 2nd video..Clearly looks like a camera filming a photo with everything else added in.Well actualy it is the third video.This one is a hoax.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Yeah at the 20-21 second mark it sounds like the sound has been sliced, theres background chatter then what sounds like either someone about to say something or burping then straight after is the woman saying "is that a ufo? "...have a listen



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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The first 2 videos we cannot be so sure of.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Mask
3) The background moving independently from the foreground is proof of a hoax, as there is no possible explanation what so ever (FACT) for there to be separate perspectives. That is impossible. It can not be a product of CCD failure, CMOS malfunction/image-lag, or any other digital anomaly you can think of. FACT.


There is no possible explanation that you know of, that is a big difference. The dealing of issues in terms of absolutes, with no possibility of any error on one's own part, is a unhealthy sign. It is a sign of blind arrogance and would incline one to treat information you can provide as being tainted by bias.

I am also sceptical about the videos, but I see no reason to jump in with two feet and immediately call them as hoaxes, although the third video is certainly a copycat hoax. I am only 50% sceptical for technical reasons and 95% sceptical due to the difficulty in accepting that an alien race would be captured so openly and easily on video.

Unless you are an expert in anti-shake technology in modern cameras and can explain to us why the lag in motion which causes the perspective problems could not be an artefact of that software processing, people have the right to treat these "facts" as being opinions.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by spy66
Why dont you read up on what our atmosphere is made up of from ground up.


Lets assume this is a real ufo. People talking here about quantum physics or gravity which we dont know nothing about almost. We know how it acts, but we dont have models for it, or even better no formules which fix every rule in physics. And then some people talking about Sonics booms?

Seriously guys. If this were real UFO, there technology would be thousands years further then us, maybe way much more. Stop debunking stuff where we humans dont have understanding off.

That UFO could be pure energy, something without mass, or breaking every rule in our physics world which we have no understanding off. This would be an endless yes or no dicussion.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Just to clear this up.. This anomaly that everyone is going on about had to have been caused in the video editing software he used to add the text "Dome of the rock Temple mount".. This is in the HD version of the video which is the one with the stabilization anomaly. Im guessing its caused by low lux pixel tracking..You obviously know nothing about how digital image stabilization works..

THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE VIDEO!



Compare the two yourself..

480p - This was the original video - no anomaly:
www.youtube.com...

780p - edited with text included - Anomaly:
www.youtube.com...


PS - Mr Mask - I believe i just blew your post out of the water with all the bragging and arrogance you showed..

Stabilization filters

Many non-linear editing systems use stabilization filters that can correct a non-stabilized image by tracking the movement of pixels in the image and correcting the image by moving the frame.[15] The process is similar to digital image stabilization but since there is no larger image to work with the filter either crops the image down to hide the motion of the frame or attempts to recreate the lost image at the edge through spatial or temporal extrapolation.[16]

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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I considered it a hoax since the beginning. In my eyes something like is is a hoax until proven otherwise, simply because faking such a thing is as easy as making a few layers in AfterFX. I'm a CG artist myself and although I don't do animation/FX per se, I fully well know how easy it can be to do this; especially since it's a nighttime shot. What it takes to prove something like this correct is multiple eye witnesses, and preferably more video recordings. Starting from 2 videos and going upwards, gives it much more credibility. Say 3 different videos and I might be sold. I really wish it were real people but let's face it, this was too good to be true. And as others pointed out, some guy called Michael Cohen is "sponsoring" the video, and he's a big known UFO hoaxer. Don't worry, when the day comes disclosure/alien or UFO contact is revealed, we'll know it. Hopefully it won't be project bluebeam or any of that bullsh!t but the real deal.

Peace&1luv



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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This just got interesting again.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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I have found the image that the hoaxers have used in the 3rd video. Compare this still frame from the video at 0:13:



with this image from Wikipedia (link to original at Wikipedia):



Every detail is the same.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Raelsatu
I considered it a hoax since the beginning. In my eyes something like is is a hoax until proven otherwise, simply because faking such a thing is as easy as making a few layers in AfterFX. I'm a CG artist myself and although I don't do animation/FX per se, I fully well know how easy it can be to do this; especially since it's a nighttime shot.


As a CG artist, what technique would you use to fake the flash of light and do you see evidence of that that technique being used?



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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Great find. I wonder if the 3rd video is associated with the first two.



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