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Revolts in Mideast - Rise of the last Caliphate ? Step towards Antichrist?

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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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There is a theory that the Antichrist will be a Moslem leader who comes to power after 12 mideast kingdoms gather together under Islamic law. This is proposed in the book of Revelation but does not directly specify Islam. It does, however specify Islam in the Koran.

The Koran and the Bible are both remarkably similar when it comes to end time prophecy. They simply differ on which side is evil and which is good.

They both say that Jesus will return. The Bible says that Jesus will return after the false prophet has returned and ravaged the world. Islam says that Jesus will return as the right hand man of the final Imam and lead the Black Flags in a war on Israel where they will destroy all Jews, Christians and anyone who refuses to turn to Islam.

Wether this will happen and which version might occur is of course up for conjecture but one thing is clear ..IF it is to occur, Israels enemies must all be united against her for the prophecies to be fulfilled.

With the recent events in the middle east and pending regime changes it seems likely that some of these countries could get new governments that operate completely under Islamic law or influence.

It is conjecture and hypothetical (so we really don't need to scream at each other over claims of fact / atheism versus religion) but could the events that are going on right now be a step towards a middle east unified under Sharia law and a step towards end times?

Look forward to your thoughts.




posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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I'm glad you made the thread, I've been wanting to bring up this up but never got around to it. I was trying to explain on another thread that should these Arab countries fall under Islamic radical control Israel will be surrounded by enemies on all sides should Jordan eventually succumb also. For stating this I was accused of being a supporter of Israel which I'm not but I don't dislike them either. I was just stating the similarities to what could eventually lead to the battle of Armageddon. The Samson option is a good place to start to get an understanding where this could all go. Everyone is so jubilant over these uprisings but I think most are not thinking of what may replace these governments.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Yes,
The replacements are sometimes worse than the previous governments in situations like this.
What I'm curious about is what happens in the region if most of them go to an Islamic government. Would this bring the different countries in the region closer? Could it be the start of a regional solidarity that hasn't existed since the Ottoman Empire?
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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At this stage of the game I suppose anything is possible, we will all just have to sit back and see what happens and hope for the best, whatever that will be. I'm sure that groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and others must be salivating right now. Iran is supporting these revolutions, what hypocrites after murdering their own for doing the same.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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I don't think the Bible [KJV] and the Koran are compatible in many issues .Take the anti-christ ..Daniel puts his seat in Rome as the little horn power that would come from the Roman Empire ..European of sorts ...When you look at the world powers [weather political or religious] you see them bowing to the Pope ..Roman Catholicism has all the emblems of Pagan worship and gives them a dress of Christianity ,but it is not Christian .Rome has its presence all over the world .I want to leave a few vid lectures about the subject matter and hope the can help us to determine weather these things are true ....peace
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Except mystery babylon cannot be Rome. It says the city where Christ died. He didn't die in Rome. Also Jerusalem has 7 hills too.

I strongly believe the Muslim Christ will be an antichrist. He may erect a monument in the last temple, and all who don't worship him or "god" will be beheaded.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by the2ofusr1
I don't think the Bible [KJV] and the Koran are compatible in many issues .Take the anti-christ ..Daniel puts his seat in Rome as the little horn power that would come from the Roman Empire


It stated that it would come from the renewed Roman empire. When "Rome" fell it was only half of Rome. The western half, the eastern half lived on in the form of the Ottoman Empire- basically from Constantinople east and south as well as north Africa. A new Caliphate would likely be seated in Turkey or Iraq (Babylon) for central control and trade reasons (Primarily oil). The antichrist would come from the revived/rebuilt Roman Empire, just not the one people expect.

One of the fallacies of the modern west is that the middle east is too fractured to become a world power. If it were to be united under anything it would be Islam. The primarily Islamic areas would fit nicely into what used to be the eastern Roman empire so the prophecies would still be fulfilled. This is not only possible but highly likely as Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and already holds strong controlling influence on many mideaster governments.

The present goal of Islam is to eradicate all other forms of religion (especially Jews who cannot be salvaged and Christians who refuse to turn to Islam ) and to bring about the end times by sowing chaos on the earth according to the Koran.(yes, it's really in there)
After the coming of Mohammed, the rest of the world (who are allowed dispensation as long as they pay the required fees until the end times) will have the choice of being Islamic or being beheaded.

The end times prophecies in the Bible and the Koran do coincide very closely if you don't think like a westerner who precludes the middle east from being reunited under one leader.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Self-fulfilling prophecy is no substitute for God's will.

The bible is not a script for psychopaths to create in the world.

The anti-Christ is humanity in the current form.

The revolution will be the Christ returning as the foundation.

The rapture will be the destruction of the false world.

The rebirth will be humanity being restored to God's image.

Peace



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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From the title thread, it is very obvious that the OP knows little about Islam.

Caliphate? Oh...do go back and read up more on Islam as well as history of the Middle east please. The ignorance is telling, and worse, dragging others into such beliefs, blind leading the blind. Quit the Islamic fear mongering already.

What's happening on the world's revolution stage has nothing to do with religion, only human opportunities and the lack of it.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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The Quran does not say that Jesus will return. That tradition is in the Hadith.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
From the title thread, it is very obvious that the OP knows little about Islam.

Caliphate? Oh...do go back and read up more on Islam as well as history of the Middle east please. The ignorance is telling, and worse, dragging others into such beliefs, blind leading the blind. Quit the Islamic fear mongering already.

What's happening on the world's revolution stage has nothing to do with religion, only human opportunities and the lack of it.
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Caliphate....yes. The CALIPHATE.
I actually know the word and it's history. It is an Islamic government representing a united Muslim nation.
The Ottoman dynasty was the fourth Caliphate.

Apparently actually bringing the similarities in the end times prophecies of the Bible and Koran offends you. This is not my intent.
You don't seem to want to discuss what is a THEORETICAL thread about PROPHECY in the Bible and Koran (plus Hadith) but will accuse me of ignorance and "Fear Mongering?"

Just that? Nothing to add?
Why don't you enlighten us on what we are so ignorant of ?
What have we gotten wrong so far? (some of the information I had was from the Hadith so that was incorrect.) What else.

I think a great note here is the ongoing reluctance of anyone to talk about the actual contents of the Koran and the end times prophecy in it. Why is that?

Don't you think the ultimate beliefs of Islam about the end times have any merit in religious discussion?

That's quite a little conspiracy in it's self. Why is it every discussion I've ever seen on the Koran and the end times is immediately derailed or dismissed as ignorance, fear mongering, biased, sensationalist, predjudiced or offensive?

Sure we can dissect Christian beliefs until the end of the world but can't talk about Islam and the Koran (and Hadith) at all.

Why is that?

Why the secrecy ?
edit on 29-1-2011 by badgerprints because: Some of the information ,prophetic writings on Jesus as believed by Islam are from the Hadith. This was pointed out to me by another member so I added it here.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Though we have a more minute account of Daniel's early life than is recorded of that of any other prophet, his birth and linage are left in complete obscurity except that he was of the royal line, probably of the house of David, which had at this time become very numerous. He first appears as one of the noble captives of Judah in the first year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, at the commencement of the seventy years captivity, B.C. 606. Jeremiah and Habakkuk were yet uttering their prophecies. Ezekiel commenced soon after and a little later, Obadiah. But both these finished their work years before the close of the long and brilliant career of Daniel.

During the seventy years of the captivity of the Jews, B.C. 606—536, predicted by Jeremiah (Jeremiah 25:11), Daniel resided at the court of Babylon most of the time as prime minister of that brilliant monarchy. His life affords a most impressive lesson of the importance and advantage of maintaining from earliest youth strict integrity toward God.

But Daniel is not alone with his connection with the Chaldean monarchy that perpetuates the memory of Daniel and covers his name with honour. From the height of its glory he saw that kingdom decline and pass into other hands. Its period of greatness and prosperity was embraced within the limits of the lifetime of one man. So brief was its supremacy, so transient its glory. But Daniel was entrusted with the more enduring honours. While beloved and honoured by the princes and potentates of Babylon, he enjoyed an infinitely higher exaltation in being beloved and honoured by God and His holy angels and admitted to a knowledge of the counsels of the Most High.

Daniel's prophecies are in many respects the most remarkable of any in the sacred record and is the most comprehensive. It was the first prophecy giving a consecutive history of the world from that time to the end. It located the most of its predictions within well defined prophetic periods, though reaching many centuries into the future. It gave the first definite chronological prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. It marked the time of this event so definitely that the Jews forbid any attempt to interpret its numbers since that prophecy shows them to be without excuse in rejecting Christ and so accurately had its minute and literal predictions been fulfilled down to the time of Porphyry, A.D. 250, that he declared (the only loophole he could devise for this hard pressed scepticism) that the predictions were not written in the age of Babylon, but after the events themselves had transpired. This shift however, is not now available; for every succeeding century has born additional evidence to the truthfulness of the prophecy and we are just now in our own day approaching the climax of its fulfilment.

Understanding Daniel Bible Prophecy

There are literally hundreds of different interpretations on Daniel Bible prophecy and especially on the issue of the little horn power and antichrist, the key word being “interpretations.” This is the first mistake the majority make as we are told not to have private interpretations of prophecy at all and nor do we need to. God’s Word gives us all we need to know without any speculation whatsoever. Note carefully what the following scripture says.

2 Peter 1:20 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

Adhering to the warning of this scripture will help prevent us from going to far wrong. This verse informs us that everything we need to know about end time events will be stated in the Bible and we will not have to add extra doctrine or our own interpretations or fill in the gaps.

The moment you hear or read statements like, “this must be that country because or…”, then stop reading right there. If we have to add or take from what the Bible tells us, then there is no doubt we already have it wrong. In fact, once you understand the principles for understanding Bible prophecy, it is a lot more simple than you could ever imagine. Some people want to turn Bible Prophecy into something complicated and feel that if it is not, then it cannot be correct. They could not be further from the truth.

One of the keys to understanding Bible prophecy is laid out in the principle of the following verse.

Isaiah 28:10 “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:”

Bible prophecy is best understood by comparing scripture with scripture as the answer will always be explained directly in the passage or can be found by example elsewhere in the Bible. To quote one example, in Daniel we find four beasts coming out of the sea and one with ten horns. Do we make wild guesses as to what a beast is or what the meaning of the sea or water or horns are? Absolutely not, it is not necessary.

A large amount of what we need to know can be found by referencing the book of Revelation and other books of the Bible. In fact two thirds of the book of Revelation can be found in the Old Testament and that is a very large key to finding our answers, “precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.” Note the following three verses, which are significant to understanding many key Bible Prophecies, for instance the word “Beast” occurs more than 55 times in Revelation. This verse tells us the meaning of the waters or sea in this case.

Revelation 17:15 “And he saith unto me, The waters which you sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

The next verse which was divinely given to Daniel, informs us unmistakably what a beast is in Bible Prophecy. There is no need to guess, just let the Bible explain itself.

Daniel 7:23 “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.”

As for the meaning of the horns, no guess work here either.

Daniel 7:24 “And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.”

There is always so much speculation as to who is the antichrist beast power (little horn) that enforces the mark of the beast. Many believe it to be one individual at the end of time. Is this true? Not even close! This is also not what all the early protestants believed either and that truth has been lost over the last few centuries. The real truth was even known by the translators of the King James Bible, Sir Isaac Newton and all the early Protestants. How did this truth get so lost? And why are there so few people who know the real truth on the origin of 666 and the number of the beast?

For those who want to research and study history a little will be shell shocked to find out what the real truth is. You will ask yourself why more people don’t know the truth. This is how Satan works. He starts with a small lie and perpetuates it until it gets so big that nobody will entertain the idea of it ever being wrong. Even some theologians who first hear Satan’s perpetuated lie in a traditionally accepted teaching without questioning it, tend to end up establishing their theology around that lie that becomes a mind set. source...www.danielbibleprophecy.org...

peace



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Thanks,
I'll read more on that.
Do you know if it is written the Sunni and Shia ?

If I remember correctly they have some differences in the writing.


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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by the2ofusr1
The next verse which was divinely given to Daniel, informs us unmistakably what a beast is in Bible Prophecy. There is no need to guess, just let the Bible explain itself.

Daniel 7:23 “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.”



I'm still not seeing where Daniel specifically points out Europe as the beast or Catholicism as an influence.
You did point out that Catholicism has Pagan connotations

Your post "..Daniel puts his seat in Rome as the little horn power that would come from the Roman Empire ..European of sorts ...When you look at the world powers [weather political or religious] you see them bowing to the Pope ..Roman Catholicism has all the emblems of Pagan worship and gives them a dress of Christianity ,but it is not Christian .

Islam isn't Christian either and is a worldwide religion. Given a possible future central Muslim government and the fact that the Ottoman Empire (Eastern roman empire) would be the same territory, I don't see it as interpretation but as a clear possibility that fits his description.

Thanks for the extensive information. I'm still not sure where Daniel 7:23 is specifying a specific kingdom.


Just to be clear with everybody, I'm not looking to prove anybody wrong or to try to teach religious doctrine. I'm looking for discussion of similarities and possible links between the end times prophecies of two different religions.

Your own religious beliefs (or not) are yours. I'm just interested in the subject.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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There are differences in them of course because the Shi’a eschatology revolves around the twelfth or hidden imam.

In traditional Sunni eschatology it involves either the Mahdi and Jesus, according to some schools of thought, and some believe that Jesus is the Mahdi.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
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There are differences in them of course because the Shi’a eschatology revolves around the twelfth or hidden imam.

In traditional Sunni eschatology it involves either the Mahdi and Jesus, according to some schools of thought, and some believe that Jesus is the Mahdi.



I didn't know that. I thought the Mahdi was believed to be Mohammed and Jesus was his follower.

I think part of my problem is that I have trouble finding concise descriptions on the beliefs.

Given that Christianity and Islam will both be opposed as to which side is the "right side" do you see points where the return of Jesus could coincide? Not to get too in depth, Both have a prophecy that there will be a return. Both have a "false prophet" and both have a final battle.

Do you think (if we assume one is correct, hypothetically) that they could actually be talking about each other?



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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Who is the Antichrist?
Shocking Facts about a Misunderstood
Prophecy, and now the real truth ......www.who-is-the-antichrist.org...

If you would take time to read the link provided you will find overwhelming facts not only within the prophesy of the bible but what we call history today ..Daniel was told to shut up the prophesy of the book until the end of time .take your time to consider these things ..don't forget that there are many modern day bibles that are corrupted ...I suggest the KJV as being a good version to use ...Its a good study looking at and comparing the different versions to see what they are trying to hide ...peace



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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It is of no use if i were to spoonfeed you with information, for your ego will never allow it, and will be only be followed churlish and childish attempts to stand your ground on what you believe. But for the sake of readers, I will try as briefly as possible to illuminate open minds that it may be a start for their own open quest for knowledge.

True muslims would never accept a 'Caliphate'. The peaceful religion of Islam had NEVER intended clerics as intermediaries between Allah and man. It was supposed to be a direct and personal journey of free will discovery by His children, to know Him and His path for mankind.

The Caliphate you speak of is nothing more than a man made construst imposed upon muslims for power and wealth by the conquering cruel and brutal Ottoman Turks empire. The blessed prophet and divine messenger, Mohammed, had never left behind any heir, for he had no right to do so, for he is only in Allah's eyes, a messenger, to bring the persians back to the right path instead of causing hurt and harm to the Medianites then living in the ME.

Unfortunately, his words were corrupted as soon as he held his last breath, the way many of divine messengers were treated as soon as they passed on by the corrupted and lustful amongst us all.

And our arab brothers and sisters suffered for centuries because of this flaw, deprived of education, social expenditure of any kind,progress and evolution by the corrupt few, till 1911, a eventfull year when revolutions occured around the world, ended the Caliphate by the blessed secular miltitary from Turkey.

Today, no true muslim will readily bow before any flawed man, even those who claimed to speak on behalf of the Almighty, for they themselves, if they had studied the Koran as required, would know. They may give respect to elders of the community, for that command issued by such elders are still within the free will of the muslim individuals.

Radicals exists in every philosophy, as so too in religion, and thus our witness of deplorable acts by them. But True muslims pays no heed to them, and only seek for peace, comfort and solace in that religion, the worshipping of the Almighty, whom is our common Creator all the same.

Therefore, your thread title show how devious or giving you the benefit of doubt, how unintenationally ignorant your truly are.

Furthermore, as I had mentioned before, the uprisings you currently saw are not related to religion, as much as some power lusting minority are hopeful to gain from it. It is about the lack of opportunitie for every human on our planet, held selfishly by the greedy few.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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You assume that the typical Muslim in the M.E. is given the chance to actually study the Koran. Like in most religions it is easier to control ignorant masses. I think that the typical Middle Eastern Muslim has more pressing concerns then scholarship, i.e. surviving! Like Christianity before it Islam has been hijacked by those who are educated. If no one can read the book who will be able to question what you tell them it says?



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Hi .....Reading your post I felt a kinship in sprite .I think there are few in most religious camps that would aspire to a warrior savior/ conqueror .The battle is within ourselves .the guide is our Creator ....peace




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