News flash, Mars is no different than the Moon except for a few localized hydrological events and minor wind erosion.

Anyone care to believe in aliens from Mars, or ancient civilizations there, has to refute this thread FIRST!

I will defend that there are no aliens from Mars, because more like the Moon, Mars is far more lifeless throughout its geological activity, though maybe it could have formed pre-bacterium type of life.

[edit on 13-7-2004 by FreeMason]

Not that I believe in alien life or ancient civilizations on mars, the moon has no water, mars has ice, one has a thin atmosphere, and the other none. So I'd say they're very much different.

edit: g on thin

[edit on 12-7-2004 by Lysergic]

What is there to refute? You haven't posted any information... and anyone who wants to reply to you would be forced to waste a lot of time linking to information that shows that the moon and mars are actually very different.

Beyond the fact that you've ignored that mars has an atmosphere... your concession of difference -- which you summarize as 'hydrological activity' -- is a pretty big sidestep. You've essentially just said that Mars and the moon are the same, except for the fact that mars once had surface water... Do you understand why that's a pretty big thing to basically hop over?

We know, now, that Mars once had liquid surface water and a heavier atmosphere... these two things make it very different from the moon.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
What is there to refute? You haven't posted any information...

Exactly what I was thinking.. The mars and the moon are very different indeed. Post up some information and people will debate you. Good day.

Whats with all the Anti-Mars stuff today?

Mars is not in Orbit around the Earth. The moon is

Mars has Ice caps. The moon does not

Mars has an atmosphere. The moon does not.

Mars has evidence of water that stayed in place for quite a long time. There is no evidence of this on the Moon.

Mars was not formed from Part of the Earth.

Mars is more temperate than the moon.

Bacteria can survive in conditions similar to conditions on Mars, but not the moon.

I don't even know why I am bothering to respond, but it sounded like fun..

How dare we challenge his intellectual might!

Plus, everybody knows that the moon is made out of cheese and that Robin Williams lives there....

Bobafett,

Robin Williams lives there?
I thought it was just his head...
Or am I remembering it wrong?


Space

Your are correct sir. It was his head, I think, it's been awhile...funny movie though

Accually the moon does have water on/under it's surface.

Mars also shows evidence of past sesmic activity. Also volcanoes. No such things on the moon.

What is required for a planet to have seismic activity? Does the planet need to be young?

Originally posted by VirusClock
Accually the moon does have water on/under it's surface.

show me some evidence of that one, please. maybe you're thinking of mars.

EDIT: disregard above, see below in the thread.

anyway, here's some proof of how strikingly different the two bodies are:

The Moon
Diameter is 2150 miles
only 237,000 miles away from the earth
ORBITS THE EARTH!
no atmosphere; hydrogen detected below the surface, water around craters at the poles.
gravity is 1/6 earth's
little activity of any sort (ie geological, weather, etc) has occurred in the last 3 billion years

Mars
Diameter is 4220 miles
63,000,000 miles AT ITS CLOSEST to earth
ORBITS THE SUN!
thin CO2 atmosphere (about 1/10 of what the earth has in density); no ozone; and trace amounts of H2O
gravity is 1/4 earth's
dry ice and H2O polar ice caps, highspeed winds, and the occasional worldwide duststorm, frost around crater rims; extinct volcanos, no plate techtonics


so, let's review... mars is still nothing like the moon!

[edit on 7/12/2004 by cmdrkeenkid]

[edit on 7/12/2004 by cmdrkeenkid]

Originally posted by Esoterica
Once I read the post, I immediately remembered hearing the news. It's ain't much, but it's something.

thanks! i hadn't heard of that before. i'll edit my previous post slightly.

FreeMason! Great to see ya again!

ummm, Mars is real, and rather different then the moon.
I've seen both from an observatory a friend of mine works at in Colorado.
I also have some friends at NASA who can vouch for Mars being "different" than the moon.

I don't understand this thread...
- Tass

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
thanks! i hadn't heard of that before. i'll edit my previous post slightly.

I'm a veritable encyclopedia of completely random knowledge :p

I used to keep tabs on the space program, but the past few years have seen me slack off quite a bit. I still like to think I'm a bit useful, though

Mars is no different than the Moon except for a few localized hydrological events and minor wind erosion.

A fairly sweeping generalisation based on far from complete evidence isn't it?

I think the fundamental flaw in the statement is that we know that Mars once had conditions that would harbour life as we know it. Whereas the moon appears never to have had such conditions. I would consider that distinction alone is enough to ignore this thread.

Hrm, on the topic of which, I would very much like FM to back up some of his claims in this thread before it is locked for being so groundless.

Originally posted by Esoterica

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
thanks! i hadn't heard of that before. i'll edit my previous post slightly.

I'm a veritable encyclopedia of completely random knowledge :p

I used to keep tabs on the space program, but the past few years have seen me slack off quite a bit. I still like to think I'm a bit useful, though

Thanks for covering that up for me , same goes for Nyarlathotep.