Inside North Korea, Photos You Haven't Seen

reply to post by Cuervo


You are correct but I am thinking on more a global scale.

We see that the North Koreans (generally) can't see beyond their border or what their government tells them. How do we know what we are told are truth?

We "feel" that we are free but are we?

Just a paranoid feeling.

Hard to explain.... I'm sure an average north korean feels free and believe what they are told and taught. How do I know that I (as an american) am any better?

Sorry I am not myself tonight.

Originally posted by drknowledge
do you know that cuervo in swiss means short hooked and inflamed penis.

Um... no, I did not. Thanks?

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by drknowledge
do you know that cuervo in swiss means short hooked and inflamed penis.

Um... no, I did not. Thanks?

like cuervo gold...LOL!!!!!

Originally posted by drknowledge
do you know that cuervo in swiss means short hooked and inflamed penis.

This is related to the OP HOW?

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
reply to post by Echtelion

 

Yeah because you know Communism worked out so well for Russians when 20 million+ of them died.
Worked out for China with Mao in power too with countless millions dead
Working out for North Koreans? I don't think the 4 million dead can agree Communism is a solid plan.

Don't compare Detroit to North Korea. We as Americans have it so Fuc*ing lucky compared to them.

Explain me how Stalin was a communist, then. A socialist leader, yes, indeed. His few writings testify of a self-absorbed mad man who thought transitional totalitarian rule was necessary for attaining a communist order. He totally disregarded human life and made the gulags based on his experience of escaping prisons.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR), was as the title says, socialist. Nothing to do with an economy managed by councils of workers, that uses class-struggle as a dynamic of social change, as communism usually preaches. Socialism creates a new class society rather than seeking to abolish it.

And why shouldn't I compare the misery of Detroit, and the whole "Rust Belt", to the misery known in failed socialist regimes? Is it another taboo of democracy?

I don't know, but I don't see in these pictures of North Korea many favelas, slums, or privately-owned city-like prisons (or prison-like cities!). I don't know how Americans living in slums are "luckier" to the people in these pictures, especially when these very same ordinary people used to have a decent living only a decade ago... I'm actually inclined to believe the contrary, that even though people seem poor in places like N Korea and Cuba, they have a stable living, and no they don't seem to be living off from trash and leftovers, even if they don't seem to have a full belly. I'm not gonna defend this authoritarian regime, just that it seems to not be letting down its people as much as the power elite does now in the States.

And I'm not gonna make the dead people to testify for my ideology, they deserve more respect than that, no matter if they were from Stalinist Russia, maoist China, Pinochet's Chile, Hitler's Third Reich, Franco's Spain, Somoza's Nicaragua or Batista's Cuba, nor I'm gonna use the tens of millions of death made by NATO during its war for corporate dominion during and after the Cold War, including a useless Iraq war and still going deadly occupation in Afghanistan. Put that aside the countless executions and tortures made by the Church over the centuries.

But it seems that all of these people have one thing in common: they felled as victims of a repressive, despotic State. A tyranny of the few, over the many. Power detached from the people...

reply to post by MMPI2


Do not feed the trolls.

This thread is about North Korea and what it looks like inside and what it means for the rest of us. Looking at a conspiracy angle, what does it REALLY mean for us?

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Alright, now you unveiled me as a troll-supporter of "Comminist North Korea". Jeez... McCarthy couldn't better (or lower?)

Hail communist overlord Kim Jun II !

Totalitarianism NOW!

J-20's coming your way... are you ready?

reply to post by onehuman


Absolutely fascinating! Thanks OP for sharing these photos. I found the huge stone blocks set in place along the roads in case of an enemy tank invasion especially bizarre!

Lol this guy saw the best of North Korea.

reply to post by Weeeden


I bet that's what the aliens say when they see pictures photographed of America and the rest of the world.

reply to post by Echtelion

Alright, now you unveiled me as a troll-supporter of "Comminist North Korea". Jeez... McCarthy couldn't better (or lower?)

I wasn't referring to you It was to drknowledge.

Anyway...

I don't know, but I don't see in these pictures of North Korea many favelas, slums, or privately-owned city-like prisons (or prison-like cities!). I don't know how Americans living in slums are "luckier" to the people in these pictures, especially when these very same ordinary people used to have a decent living only a decade ago

The only difference is that they can get out of it, no restrictions.

I'm not gonna defend this authoritarian regime, just that it seems to not be letting down its people as much as the power elite does now in the States.

Like some Buddhists teach, sufferings are the only constant thing in life?

reply to post by Echtelion

I don't know, but I don't see in these pictures of North Korea many favelas, slums, or privately-owned city-like prisons (or prison-like cities!). I don't know how Americans living in slums are "luckier" to the people in these pictures, especially when these very same ordinary people used to have a decent living only a decade ago... I'm actually inclined to believe the contrary, that even though people seem poor in places like N Korea and Cuba, they have a stable living, and no they don't seem to be living off from trash and leftovers, even if they don't seem to have a full belly. I'm not gonna defend this authoritarian regime, just that it seems to not be letting down its people as much as the power elite does now in the States.

You don't see a lot in those photos. They don't show the true horrors of the country and the atrocities being committed by the North Korean government. We won't see the inside of those death camps until the dictatorship has collapsed and the gates open. You want to compare the North Korean Communist regime to America's governmental system? You can't do such a thing. NK is a closed country where 4 million people have died because of their president's selfish and sadistic ways.

Some people are so ungrateful to live in America. If they only knew what it was like living in a mud hut village forced to eat fecal matter to survive.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by reatarded

 

I guess you could move defect there and join the society if you want. That is, if you're not already there and are one of those that the NK government has going around the Internet saying how great NK "really" is.

Yup N-Korea is great, it is unique, it is a fascinating place, with a fascinating language and culture. I like N-Korea and the N-Korean people, you don't, good for you.

Would I leave my home and go live in N-Korea because I like N-Korea? No lol, I wouldn't leave my home to live in a foreign land with a foreign language with a foreign culture. It would be a very hard decision to make, leaving your friends, starting all over again etc..

best book ive found that gives you such a clear perspective of North Korea, and its a graphic novel!
Pyongyang

Originally posted by Echtelion
How funny is that thread... typical Cold War-era anti-commie propaganda.

But hey! Here's a look at what was the jewel of American industrial capitalism, the Great city of Detroit!




Beautiful, isn't it? Porn for nihilists!

And what the heck happened? Nuclear war? NO! It was laissez-faire capitalism! The global free markets! And the US Democratic Republic having let down the American people en masse.for the sake of corporate profits.

You can't imagine yourself having a life ion N Korea, eh? Well.. you simply CAN'T live in Detroit at all, now!

At least people seem to have a somewhat decent living in these pictures of North Korea... but here, people aren't there anymore.

edit on 29/1/11 by Echtelion because: (no reason given)

To bad it was not capitalism and free markets that failed. They were overthrown by socialist/fascist/corporatist through being politically connected and regulating markets in thier favor effectively stifling the free market and granting them monopolies in thier respective areas of business. We haven't had anything close to a free market in 70 years. They are all just different flavors of the same brew.

Every once and a while the politicians relax so called regulation on thier cronies so they can take even more unfair advantage over any possible competition and when it corrupts the market further a bunch of fools always whine and cry in cacophony about how free markets are evil etc... Sigh!

reply to post by RustyShakleford92


Rusty, the people are not brainwashed. That is much too simplistic. The really do love Kim il-Sung, he is the father of North Korea, their revolutionary hero. As more and more visitors arrive to watch the Arirang Games, guides understand that South Korea is not poverty stricken like they are told. It's also important to remember that the North Koreans live in a state of war.

When I was there in 2009 to attend the games, much was made of the year 2012 as being the year of technology. It will also be the 100th birthday of Kim il-Sung. In my opinion we will see a gradual softening and opening up when the son takes over the lead. I don't think they can remain as isolated as they once were.

This will be a good thing.

North Korea should just come clean.

Kim Jong needs to pull that Communist stick out of his @ss and ask for help.

Enough already.

Originally posted by Pepeluacho
North Korea should just come clean.

Kim Jong needs to pull that Communist stick out of his @ss and ask for help.

Enough already.

They have been exercising free market concepts in certain "experimental" districts. For such an isolated nation, Communism is the only way to survive. If they opened their arms to the world and to capitalism, they'd be screwed. They make nothing relevant to the rest of the world to sell. They would import products for a couple of years and collapse.

I think the way they are doing it (testing it out in different towns) is the right way for them. Who knows? Maybe they'll settle on a good hybrid that will showcase an entirely new ideology.