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75-Year Sentence for Taping the Police? The Absurd Laws That Criminalize Audio and Video Recording

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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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What REALLY gets me angry with this; is this is a harsher punishment than BP got, than the 1001 thieves on Wallstreet got, than fixing facts to get us into an illegal war meted out.

While the government now can tap every line, email and conversation to "protect us" -- while bombers can get on airplanes with CIA approval,... and every other terrorist seems to have an FBI handler,.. we never get honest investigations and WE cannot record them.

If they have nothing to hide -- then why should THEY mind? This is a one-way deal.

The problem is; we have got an anti-government sentiment -- that was initially used to get the government out of the way of Capitalist interests. Now, we've got capitalists running both the Democratic and Republican parties -- and there is no limit to what the capitalists will want in power.

So the ONLY tool to keep capitalism in check, is now the tool to keep them in power and unquestioned. I remember during the Gulf Oil gusher that the Coast Guard, was used only to protect the well head from reporters and scientists so that BP would have anyone know how much oil was coming out. The Oil regulators, were working as cover for the oil companies just as the EPA seems to just be a way for well-paid polluters to avoid liability lawsuits.

>> And some people think that Torte reform is a good thing? What the heck is left as a tool to stop corporations from destroying everything for profit? -- not the government.




posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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And people wonder why we have such a high population of prisoners in the USA...

Got Corruption?



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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HOW TO SPEAK IN COURT!!!!!! YOU are NOT the "person" to whom the statute APPLIES!!!

You are a flesh and blood living soul and NOT a corporate fiction which is WHAT the term "person" refers to. This has been dissected in many courts. A "person" DOES NOT include human beings. So these statutes apply to Corporations ONLY!!

There is so much more out there, like how to speak in court to invoke YOUR jurisdiction, the court does not have it as it is a court of Equity and NOT a court of Common Law.

So much the people need to learn.

Edit to add...all you have to tell the judge is that you object to the offer. He is giving you an opportuntiy to Contract with the court. DON'T!! Reject his offer....it's really that simple. He does not have jurisdiction, again.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by daddio
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Edit to add...all you have to tell the judge is that you object to the offer. He is giving you an opportuntiy to Contract with the court. DON'T!! Reject his offer....it's really that simple. He does not have jurisdiction, again.
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Sounds like the rules about Vampires: They can't enter your home unless you invite them...

Maybe Allison should take a few cloves of garlic into court!



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Wow. I know if I was given a 75 year sentence, even any jail time at all for recording my court appearance, I'd be one angry person.
It's perfectly fine for them to monitor us... When you get pulled over by a police officer, for example, their car is often recording the interaction. But if we do the same, it's illegal?

Of course THEY need protection, but we're just the common peasants who don't matter.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

75-Year Prison Sentence for Taping the Police? The Absurd Laws That Criminalize Audio and Video Recording in America


www.alternet.org


Just after he walked through the courthouse door the next day, Allison says Crawford County Circuit Court Judge Kimbara Harrell asked him whether he had a tape recorder in his pocket. He said yes. Harrell then asked him if it was turned on. Allison said it was. Harrell then informed the defendant that he was in violation of the Illinois wiretapping law, which makes it a Class 1 felony to record someone without his consent. “You violated my right to privacy,” the judge said.

(visit the link for the full news article)


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First, It was a law, Although I fully disagree with it. Second, why did he instantly tell someone ? ( honesty is a good trait though ) What bothers me is that this is a felony. 75 years ? Really ? This is a petty law. Punishment at best should be a week shoveling pig sh*t or something. Prisons are for murders, thieves and rapists. Humiliation should be for a the rest. I have a whole plethora of ideas on how to punish the greedy and the stupid.

The law is dumb. Police, judges, and other people who claim the law should always, at all times, be held accountable and subject to citizen disclosure. Since they deny this, this is a huge impact on honesty and doing the right thing in courtrooms and police enforcement on the streets.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Unless I am mistaken, judges are PUBLIC servants. Being a PUBLIC servant negates (or it should if it doesn't) the judge's 'privacy' when engaged in the public duty of trying/sentencing citizens. As mentioned earlier, only in the event of a media ban should they be able to ask that audio recording devices be turned off.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Isiah 5:

[20] Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
[21] Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
[22] Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
[23] Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

This is what I see today at almost every turn, especially when it comes to standing for your individual rights.

Many do not realize they are opting for socialism today, requiring of persons to follow a standard upon their property that meets some other persons needs.

I am in no way against Law enforcement, of laws that harm others; theft, assault, murder, property destruction.
Yet all these

Ordinances

"""Local ordinance, a law made by a colony, or a municipality or other local authority"""

are not always the will of the people they govern. They are made by public officials that have a Dog in the Fight so the can create more money or "clean up property value" for revenue.

Rights do not stop at the person it also extends to the objects they own.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Yeah well, Egypt right now is in a country wide rebellion for their President doing this same stuff. It is increasing in the United States and if our government doesn't learn from what is happening in Egypt....will America not do the same thing or worse if pushed to the brink. They want to remove all of our freedoms...ok that's valid if you have an oppressive agenda, but what about the other 300+ million people who your agenda is in opposition to or whom it oppresses? When you have removed everything from the people and they ahve nothing more to lose.........well, .........what do people do when they have nothing to lose and they are being oppressed? They do what Egypt is doing right now....ousting the power incharge and revolting against those who robbed them. It will be no different for America when they have overwhelmed them with all of these oppressive obsurd rules. What's worse is during the riots, the prisoners will be set free and they will have personal agenda against the very ones that locked them up for crazy laws. This is just what I foresee happening in the future. It's nothing but history all over again. Even if you don't know history, we are at the point where the obvious forces you to learn history, because repitition is the best teacher.......and they are repetitively screwing the American people time and time and time again. Sooner or later the American people, as clueless as the world observes them, will say "we have given all, yet we have less than nothing from our government. They live the high life as we live in the ditches fighting for their crumbs and diggin through their garbage just to feed our children." Then the sleeping dragon will awaken.It will not be pretty I bet.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Public officials, public employee's, and all others getting paid from tax coffers have no right to privacy when on the job.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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75 years does seem to be a long time, the guy will probably be dead before he gets out.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by DomCheetham
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75 years does seem to be a long time, the guy will probably be dead before he gets out.


Nah....the guy will get out of prision sooner than that. That kind of abuse wont last 75 years, remember 2012 is right there....lol.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by sempul
Well I can tell you here in Louisiana (where I do police work)the law here is it is not considered wiretapping as long as one of the parties knows they are being recorded. Its how we get away with cameras in our cars while not being required to inform the public they are being recorded. I love my camera in my car as it has helped me several times. I have had several people come in saying I was rude and cursed them trying to get out of the ticket. However once you watch my tape you see that I answer all questions and comments with yes sir/mam or no sir/mam. Makes me feel great when you make a dirt bag look like an idiot. Plus this state recently passed a law about making a false report on a police officer which is a felony. And I can promise that when someone tries to destroy my job and credibility and I have the means to prove it 100% false I WILL and have pursed that charge to the FULLEST extent!


Do you not think that citizens should have the same right, when it's their word against a cop's, and the cop is the one lying? If I told you you were being recorded, would you be okay with it or would you tell me to shut of the camera? I think telling the citizens to shut the camera off, while the LEO keeps theirs running, makes SOMEBODY look like a huge hypocrite.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
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your right based on the sentence he might as well have jumped the little railing and killed the judge. same sentence.


At the risk of sounding violent, in such a situation i think i might have, in for a penny in for a pound as they say.

Second line for sensible justice.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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The bloodiest revolution will be in the United States of Crooks, mark my words.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Good point. The police dont need your permission for them to record you (eavesdrop). Because it is official business and to gather potential evidence and for their protection. Perhaps citizens who are stopped by police with the dash camera running should be given a Miranda-esque warning that they are being filmed and that any evidence picked up by the camera can and will be used in court.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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This is indeed not blind justice and indeed must be spread to the people to get the judge down. In the old days, such judges were hanged. Too bad. We'll have to just live with him being forced to retire with no pension.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Judge Kimbara Harrel Contact info.

Second one down.

Complain away.

www.illinoissecondcircuit.info...
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Trueman

Originally posted by DomCheetham
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75 years does seem to be a long time, the guy will probably be dead before he gets out.


Nah....the guy will get out of prision sooner than that. That kind of abuse wont last 75 years, remember 2012 is right there....lol.


Even if they half his sentence he would be old. 37 and a half years is a long time Trueman.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
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Good point. The police dont need your permission for them to record you (eavesdrop). Because it is official business and to gather potential evidence and for their protection. Perhaps citizens who are stopped by police with the dash camera running should be given a Miranda-esque warning that they are being filmed and that any evidence picked up by the camera can and will be used in court.


This is not the problem, allwoing the police to record evidence is essentail for and against police for violence, abuse and mal practice.

Whats not correct here is the extreme punishment against a citizen. 75 years is wrong no matter which way you look at it.
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