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British Muslims will double to 5.5m in 20 years in Britain

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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by backinblack
 


I seen a video once, I'm not sure if it was muslims, but I do remember it being that sort of "environment" for lack of a better word.

It was a restaurant and they had some American tourists in and they were convinced to sample a local dish.

They put a monkey between a hole in the table, almost like stocks, and the tourists each had to take turns at bashing the li'l bugger over the head with tiny hammers until it was dead, then they cut the head open and ate its brains, one of the tourists was sick at the first bite. The screams of that monkey haunted me for a few weeks.
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Oh yeah, there are a lot of cruel practices around but they are not exactly the norm or common place..
Look at some of the things China do with animals...




posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by TheGhostViking
Hey bib my freind hows it going ? I did.nt realise your in oz ? you an expat or native aussie ?



Born in Stoke on Trent mate, but left before I could walk..
Not even a ten pound POM cause babies went for free..



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
 


The fundamentals of Islam are to spread it, to not stop until everyone has converted.

Whether they do this by means of violence (depoulation) or reproduction, they will do what they can to achieve their goals.

If you really believe in deities, you believe you are doing the greater good for humanity by converting them. This is the what the a few irrational beliefs can do to a society/civilisation.




"I become more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers and his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle?.
(Young India, 1922).Gandhi


Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,' 1840
"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only." "A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world?s Maker had ordered so."

A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951
The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.

Lawrence E. Browne in ?The Prospects of Islam,? 1944
Incidentally these well-established facts dispose of the idea so widely fostered in Christian writings that the Muslims, wherever they went, forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword.


K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in 'Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,' 1989
My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that ?there is no compulsion in religion? is well known.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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And what's the problem with 5.5 million Muslims?



I guess the takeover of Europe by 5.5 million Muslims Immigrants thanks to the Multiculturalism crap isn't a problem to you or to the Islamic apologists on here.


Greece has 45,000 Immigrants per year and all of them are from the middle east and Africa which Islam rules for the most of the lands.


The Muslims Immigrants are creating such a mess now in greece.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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And what's the problem with 5.5 million Muslims?



I guess the takeover of Europe by 5.5 million Muslims Immigrants thanks to the Multiculturalism crap isn't a problem to you or to the Islamic apologists on here.


Greece has 45,000 Immigrants per year and all of them are from the middle east and Africa which Islam rules for the most of the lands.


The Muslims Immigrants are creating such a mess now in greece.



And the problem England was invaded already about 1700 years ago when the Romans came in then the Anglos, Saxons and other Germanic people.


If you have a problem with Muslims you should have a problem with anyone who is not a Celt in the British Isles

Times change get over it I don't give a crap what happens England can become 100% Muslim doesn't change anything that wasn't changed when the Romans arrived.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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I have to disagree with you there, Britain as we know it was a result of those invasions and such, our culture and heritage is derived from that turbulent past.

My family roots (Hooper/Elder), from what I have managed to work out are of original British descent, but I think anyone who can trace their roots back more than 300 years in this country could call themselves "true" British.

EDIT: Actually, after a lot of research, I think my bloodline originated from that funny country north of me where the blokes wear skirts. (That plus playing the bagpipes is like a natural thing to me, and out of all the swords I could have bought, I had an urge to get a broadsword (and yes, I do own a kilt))
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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And why is that a good thing; was it good for the Celts hell no.

I feel like this once the original inhabitants are gone who ever comes afterward so be it if its Christians, Pagans, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist, Druze etc so be it none of them have a right.

Any group that comes to a land and invades it should have no opinion on if someone else does the same thing to them actually I would welcome so that they could get a taste of their own medicine and see how they feel afterwards.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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The only thing I will say here is that to truly be a good Muslim, a male must strive to act and be exactly like Muhammad. Read about the life and times of this paragon of a human and go from there.

/TOA



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Based on that definition, I would not qualify Islam as "fascist." First of all, as was previously stated, they do not have one central authority. Second, they choose to act the way they do. No one is forcing the women to behave as they do. If they did not like it, then they would not continue to believe in the Islamic ideals. Although I personally don't agree with some Islamic beliefs, it is not my place to tell others what they should or should not do. Just my two cents.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Actually Islam can qualify as a "facist" religion...


Originally posted by Brainwashedteen
Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.


Religion is very much like a governmental system, I would consider the diety involved (allah) as a dictator who has complete power, after all he is a supreme being... the one and only god, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, yeah the Qu'ran does that alright (as do other religious books) and has an agressive and often racist ideology,

well if convert the Kuffir by means of voluntary or forcible coersion, doesn't qualify here I don't know what does, or if he doesn't convert it is EVERY muslims right to kill the Kuffir, not my words... it says that in many forms in the Qu'ran time and time again! Do you wish for me to start quoting the Qu'ran to prove my point? So I think that qualifies as nationalistic and racist IMO.




Based on that definition, I would not qualify Islam as "fascist." First of all, as was previously stated, they do not have one central authority.


They actually do he's called Allah and also the Qu'ran is everything that was dictated to Mohammed by Allah so therefore from a muslims point of view that would be the ONLY authority that they will follow.



Second, they choose to act the way they do. No one is forcing the women to behave as they do.


Appart from the Qu'ran, the Imam's who interpret it and ofcourse the followers, do you know what happens if you "choose" to leave Islam? It is a crime punishable by death, even your moderate muslim will uphold this. It states it VERY clearly in the Qu'ran.



If they did not like it, then they would not continue to believe in the Islamic ideals.


No they will either stay oppressed by Islam or if they "choose" to leave then they are punishable by death, some people do manage to leave Islam, very few people...


So using your logic, Islam is indeed a facist religion, you've not really thought this through have you?

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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Frontkjemper
 




And what's the problem with 5.5 million Muslims?



I guess the takeover of Europe by 5.5 million Muslims Immigrants thanks to the Multiculturalism crap isn't a problem to you or to the Islamic apologists on here.


Greece has 45,000 Immigrants per year and all of them are from the middle east and Africa which Islam rules for the most of the lands.


The Muslims Immigrants are creating such a mess now in greece.


Hogwash, that's NOT what caused the downfall of Greece!! Their wreckless spending, not being able to fire government workers even if their department gets slashed, and the fact that some received 14+ monthly salaries per year caused it...that and bad investments by its government.

No one's arguing that some immigrants are causing problems, but the large majority at least here in the UK doesn't. Multiculturalism is great, and it's something that made the US great too at one point...before paranoia took over because they can't handle the fact that the world is moving towards a multilateral governance rather than the previous unilateral one.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
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So, you are saying 'we just have to accept the fact that in 20 years time the Country will be more Islamic?'

Then we will fail our children....

It's all very well having different views.... its just that its going too far....


Yes you do. The only way you're going to fail your children is to raise them to hate and fear those who are different from themselves. The world is a highly diverse place and teaching tolerance is the best way to help your kid succeed within it.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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Allah is not a fascist. You may argue that his followers are behind an authoritarian religion but the whole things looks more feudal to me. I really dislike people abusing political terms but I suppose it is inevitable. I still see that you dislike the religion which is your democratic right. I dislike the fundamentalists.
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
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So, you are saying 'we just have to accept the fact that in 20 years time the Country will be more Islamic?'

Then we will fail our children....

It's all very well having different views.... its just that its going too far....


Yes you do. The only way you're going to fail your children is to raise them to hate and fear those who are different from themselves. The world is a highly diverse place and teaching tolerance is the best way to help your kid succeed within it.



And since Islam is an utterly intolerant supremecist totalitatian ideology masquerading under the cover of religion, whose stated goal is world domination - it should not be tolerated by any civilised person or nation.

It's main strategy in the modern age after having failed three times to conquer and invade Europe whilst in a position of strength - is to now present itself as just another moderate harmless religion like any other - with a few 'extremist' elements - until the demographic jihad brings it victory - then the mask of moderation will drop!

The progresive socialist left whilst doing everything in their power to disempower Judeo-Christian values - are at the same time promoting and empowering Islam within Western societies at every turn.

That Islam is an ultra-conservative, gay hating, women repressing, freedom hating, dictator loving, political system - seems to be completely lost on them - such is the sucess of the relentless PC brainwashing that has occured!

It is perfectly obvious to any one with an ounce of commonsense where all this is heading - and it is certainly where TPTB intended all along! - it is far too late to stop this now Europeis allready finished, certainly within 50 yrs and could be precipitated into total jihad civilwar at any time merely by triggering a new ME war.



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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Come on bro, that's no way to go on.

Chill, vent your anger in more intelligent ways.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Why are you people wasting time discussing Islamic expansion in Europe?

The real question is WHO ALLOWED THE MASS ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION IN FIRST PLACE?




posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Hey awake wasup
Im chilled like tropicana mate .
smoke trees of Blue cheese in the breeze .
yo Tiger where you at man ?
I had a great chat with an asian guy recently was he muslim ? Im not bothered ,I see him as a human being (funny that !)
I brought up conspiracy theories and we saw eye to eye on everything . Hes worried that certain people (yes people like you on this thread )believe that everyone of brown skin is a terrorist and he felt concerned that people thought this way .
He was a taxi driver I paid him and shook his hand I said , pleasure to meet you mate Im glad Ive found a kindred spirit Dont worry about narrow minded idiots , not all white people are like this , He said yh I Know , I make an effort to be friendly to everyone so hopefully people realise that we are just normal honest hardworking people just like them
Top Guy and the 1st taxi driver ive ever met who I wanted to shake hands with .
We all live TOGETHER in this community fine thankyou very much so forgive me if I wont be told what to think BY ANY OF YOU _

COMPRENDE ??



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