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outer-theism for servants, inner-theism for leaders

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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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outer-theism



Most belief systems on this planet are overtly outer-theistic,
characterized by worshiping external forces apart from self.
This includes, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Atheism.


Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism are primarily outer-theism
as they worship external idols typically historical figures or books.
Which may or may not have accurate contemporary renditions.

Buddhism is outer-theism since, the Buddha is the greatest achievement,
and it is impossible for a Buddhist to surpass the Buddha.
Though it does have the most inner activity,
due to large emphasis on meditation.

Atheism is outer-theism since they are mostly scientific philosophies,
which typically simply ignore all inner sensations,
and see physical-world or science as supreme.

What ends up happening when people worship external idols,
is that they can rise to meet them, but rarely if ever surpass them.

Also it makes people prone to taking orders,
from those they see as representatives of these external deities.
Thereby forming most people as part of the servant class of society,
in life serving their external deity or the perceived representative.

People that only reference the external-world,
are limited as we physically perceive finiteness.

Most usually these so called representatives of deities (Pharoah's or Kings)
typically just want people to serve them, and do their bidding.
This is okay, for service-to-government kind of people.
Who just want to help enslave their fellows,
and give all they have,
to a tyrannical regime.

Hey, there are lots of people like that.
Seems like most people.
Strangely enough :-|.
Programmed?

outer-theism locks-in.
government dictates.
served by believers.

inner-theism



There are subsets of many religions which are inner-theistic,
these are typically obscured to the populace,
but secretly are religions of the leaders.

You can tell which these are yourself,
by identify which faith enables giving orders,
commonly this is known as magic or spell casting.

for Christianity it be Luciferianism, or Witchcraft.
for Judaism it be Kaballah,
for Islam it be Sufi Islam,
for Hinduism it be Tantra,
for Atheists it be Planning.

Since most on ATS are Christian,
lets have a look at a corner stone of Christian inner-theism.

King James Version, Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

note that since churches prefer to keep people in the servant mindset,
this passage is obscured by more modern translation.
Though the New International Version 2011 does have


New International 2011 Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”


The kingdom of God is Within You.
We can deduce that all the characteristics are also present.
Deducing that you have all the creativity of God,
and all the power of God's Kingdom.

Okay let's look at the Holy Trinity for a moment,
the Holy-Spirit, God and the Child.



King James Version Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children of God:


Jesus is famous for being a Child of God,
but really we are all Children of God.

The Spirit or your inner-deity may have told you already.
The sad fact is that inner-deity is demonized in outer-theism,
in fact, inner-deities are frequently called demons, or schizophrenia,
though other names include muses, spirit-guides and guardian-angels.



King James Version Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

So any inner-theistic person can classify themselves as a "Son of God",
I'm assuming that applies regardless of gender.



King James Version Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


So the Father is God, the all-powerful all-seeing one,
you are the child or Son in this case,
so who is the Holy Ghost?

time for algebra
Father + Who -> Child
hmmm, I wonder, can you guess?
Mother!
or if we're using words like God then Goddess.

Now what is the God?


King James Version Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

so the first, that's 1, and the last,
in binary that's all 1's,
i.e 1111 = 15.

for the sake of simplicity,
can declare God as all 1's, 1111...

From that we can infer Holy Spirit is 0 or none,
so the Holy-Spirit is the Zeroth, before the first,
Also is a major component of beginnings,
1000 = 16.

for sake of simplicity,
can declare Godess all 0's, 0000...

So where does that leave us children?
Everywhere in between,
we are a combination of Mother and Father,
for example 1101011010001001110 is a child.



Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

0 or none, is equivalent to grammatical construct no,
1 or the negation of 0, is equivalent to logical not.
however many people seem to use not as if it was no,

people that say, no, not-that are effectively blaspheming the holy-spirit (none),
effectively they are saying holy-spirit, holy-spirit that,
and so are likely to get exactly what they are talking about.
This is an effect is well known by hypnotists,
and relationship specialists.

For instance I often hear people say,
I told them not to do it,
and then they do it.
ya well, obviously.

0 + something -> something

Personally I avoid using the word not,
unless I want to draw attention to that something.
For instance if someone says "what's wrong?"
I might say "your not being happy, respectful or loving"

Anyhow so on to the magic-spell-casting, or in more Christian terms Prayer.


King James Version Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Luke 11:10
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.


So feel free to explore any faith between none and all, for all are children of mother and father.
Even the belief-systems adhered to by the leadership (Luciferianism, etc).
Personally I adhere am eclectic wiccan a neo-pagan version of witchcraft,
that supports magic-spell-casting as well as God and Goddess.

Inner-theism can be used both for those that give to others, and those that accept from others.
as the giver can ask for inner-guidance as to where their gifts will be most appreciated,
and the accepter can ask inner-guidance as to where the bounty will be most plentiful.
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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You might like this.



www.centerforsacredsciences.org...

I think an esoteric-exoteric terminology might be better than an outer-inner terminology.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Student X
You might like this.



ya, nice picture.




www.centerforsacredsciences.org...

What I do like about it,
is how they are seeking to unify faiths.

They reference to holy-spirit or zero-mother, the emptiness.
They also mention ever-father, the oneness.

I agree on many of the points,
in slightly different phrases.



I think an esoteric-exoteric terminology might be better than an outer-inner terminology.

perhaps, though personally those are rarely used terms,
I was never quite sure what esoteric meant,
and this is the first I've herd of exoteric.

esoteric actually means "belonging to an inner circle",
I'm assuming that means a small group of people,
whereas exoteric is "suitable for the public".

Whereas I'm talking about deities or types of theism.
my whole point is that inner-theism,
be suitable for the public.

using your terms,
inner-theism is exoteric.
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Thanks for your contribution :-)
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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Most belief systems on this planet are overtly outer-theistic,
characterized by worshiping external forces apart from self.
This includes, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Atheism.


I'm not sure if you know - Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity. Atheists normally find little reason, logic or rationale to assert a belief in the "supernatural". Atheism has no goals and dogma or rituals, Atheists don't worship anything or anyone, not even Richard Dawkins.

Atheism isn't a belief system, and it is not based on faith. Theist proclaim a theory, just like a scientific theory, Atheists disagree because there is no evidence to assert this theory. It's a blind theory.

"There is a teapot on pluto BUT it is out of range of our best telescopes"

Although i can't prove this theory wrong (or right)...i have a lack of belief in it. Present evidence and i will renounce my teapot Atheism.

At the core of Theism is fascism. It is a totalitarian edict ruled by a supreme (supernatural) dictator. It is a horrible human creation. That's what religion is, man made. Created by men evil enough to decieve people and gullible followers who don't question anything.
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by lowki
 



Most belief systems on this planet are overtly outer-theistic,
characterized by worshiping external forces apart from self.
This includes, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Atheism.


I'm not sure if you know - Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity. Atheists normally find little reason, logic or rationale to assert a belief in the "supernatural".

Ah, but clearly you believe in "reason, logic, rationale",
which are all children of Philosophy.



Atheism has no goals and dogma or rituals, Atheists don't worship anything or anyone, not even Richard Dawkins.

Atheism isn't a belief system,

everyone living has a belief-system,
just like all (functional) computers have an operating-system

a person without a belief-system,
is like a computer without software,
just a physical body, in a vegetative state.



and it is not based on faith. Theist proclaim a theory, just like a scientific theory, Atheists disagree because there is no evidence to assert this theory. It's a blind theory.

"There is a teapot on pluto BUT it is out of range of our best telescopes"

Although i can't prove this theory wrong (or right)...i have a lack of belief in it. Present evidence and i will renounce my teapot Atheism.

Well how about you can run an experiment?
One that is falsifiable and personally verifiable.

If you do meditation focusing on nothing or none (like Zen Meditation),
eventually you'll find yourself in a dark warm numb feminine place.
all nouns are conceptual descendent's of the word entity or being,
therefore we can classify this dark-warm feminine-place with a noun,
this noun can be Ying, or zero-mother.

Also to make it a bit more tangible for you than a teapot on pluto:

Logically, before 1, there be 0,
if we believe in causation,
then 0 caused 1,
so 0 gave birth to 1,
and with 0, and 1,
gave birth to all other numbers.
So that's how we are all children.

words I derive from 0 include, no, none, nothing, calm, tranquil, space
words I derive from 1 include, not, negate, aware, change, being



At the core of Theism is fascism. It is a totalitarian edict ruled by a supreme (supernatural) dictator. It is a horrible human creation. That's what religion is, man made. Created by men evil enough to decieve people and gullible followers who don't question anything.

I agree that is outer-theism.

Though I'd like especially Atheists to note,
that unless you are consulting with your inner-guide,
you are susceptible to external influences,
such as "fascism" or "supreme dictators".

When you use your inner-guide,
then you can surpass the external,
to create on the outside, what you sense within.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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a person without a belief-system,
is like a computer without software,


That's an odd way of putting it. I do have a belief system, but that belief system happens to be based on evidence and things i can confirm or rationalise.

I believe the earth is an oblate spheroid
I believe my mother is a nice person
I believe a particular piece of music is beautiful.

By no means would i compare a human to a computer. Although - computers are becoming remarkably like humans. (They may overtake - The Matrix!!!!!)

I need a reason to assert a belief structure. I don't know the cause of the universe so i'm not going to assume. I'm not empty and i don't feel down just because i don't have evidence to assert a belief.

Atheism is the polar opposite to Theism.

Theism - "This is the story of how you and the earth came to be, i have no evidence, please have faith."

Atheism - "I won't believe in that Story until you provide me with logical or empirical evidence."
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Wow, you are like...a super atheist apologist! "There is no God and awake_and_aware is his prophet."



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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LOL! I have nothing to defend, i'm just trying to clear ignorance,misconceptions and stereotypes.

Atheism has no goals, no agenda, no rituals. - I have nothing to defend.

Atheism is a lack of belief, that's all it is. I'd have a pretty short time preaching "prophecy"

Theism - you can expect someone to act in a certain way, or have certain prejudices because their bible tells them to act in a certain way or consider other people inferior because of their beliefs.

If "God" states "homosexuality is an abomination" you can expect most followers of Religion to discriminate or have extreme prejudice towards gays.
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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You have it wrong when it comes to Buddism. Budda is not one man. Anyone can be budda. Budda is a state of being, of knowing all and self. Siddhartha Gautama is considered to be the first Budda. Also Buddism should not be considered a theistic religion since even Siddhartha Gautama said that there is no creator of the universe. That is why Buddism is considered to be a atheistic religion.

I know this because I am a buddist.

This kind of invalidates the OP.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Bhuddism is quite a timid religion although there are some deep underlying cocerns i have with it. I quite like some of the moral and ethical philosophy but some other teachings are worrying.

Metaphysical claims. Unprovable claims, reincarnation.

Reincarnation can cause a person to be less altruistic, more tempted to leave an animal or another human because they feel they will get what they deserve in the "next life".

I just don't like unprovable claims being taught to the inquizitive minds of children, it deludes them and teaches them absolutes which cannot be verified or proved.

I suppose one great thing about Bhuddism is that it allows for question, i'm sure it states to question everything, with this in mind, surely reincarnation can be questioned and queried.

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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Karma or reincarnation as you put it, is a action-reaction mechnism. It does not make you more or less altruistic. I don't know about you but I've spend many years researching this subject as many other have (like the more or less famous Russel Targ) and I can see it working. Positive actions bring those back to me sooner or later. Negative do the same.

And about being altruistic. No philosophy or religion will make you a good person. I became a better one (than I was before) during my meditation. I started those as a means to change my life, which sucked badly. Back then I wasn't even a buddist. During the course of those I just came to know what I am and what is my connection to others.

And for the record - there is almost no dogma in buddism. Reincarnation is not a dogma. Those who know about it - do. Those that don't - don't.

That all is off-topic. Buddism is not a outter-type religion. It is specifically an inter-type religion.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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And for the record - there tons of buddist who do not belive in reincarnation. The great thing about buddism, as Budda said himself, that you *do not believe in anything*. You test it. If you cannot - then for you - it does not exist.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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I suppose you could see Bhuddism as a philosophy or a "way-of-life" - Like i said i have no qualms with Bhuddism as it is explicitly un-aggressive and there isn't much dogmatic nonsense.

Unlike you, i have not studied Bhuddism in depth. My knowledge is very little but i'm quite sure reincarnation is something that is taught.

Reincarnation, like Heaven and Hell - IS an unfalsifiable metaphysical hypothesis. It can't be considered truth (or not truth)

It's like a theory stating "there is a teapot on the pluto, out of range of our telescopes" - I can't prove or show you this truth, you would have to have "faith"

What do YOU think in regards to reincarnation (or other metaphysical claims) ?

Also you talk about meditation? What moral or ethical truths can you gain from just sitting and meditating?

Surely meditation is just self-observation, trying to understand your consciouss more.?
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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I like that idea. Very much so.


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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Good post. I believe that deity lives within, and not without. Just a few days ago I am taking to a Christian woman. She asked the standard, "have you accepted Jesus as your personal savior?" I asked her where is God, and she points up to the sky, "he is in Heaven," she says. Well, my God, my Goddess, lives right in here, inside this body I see in the mirror. My God/Goddess is not a man, and does not live in some "out there" place.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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I've been a closet buddist for years
I sometimes speak up when I think it's going to do more good than bad.

What can meditation do for you? I can say what it did for me.

It allowed me to watch myself and my actions from a distance, which is hard for a person very much attached to his suffering. I kinda made my special case precious, thinking of my mistakes over and over again and of bad things done to me by others and by some supernatiral being (being a Catholic back then). I really was in a miserable state of mind and my body soon followed.

I started meditating to ease high blood pressure. After a while I saw how much a jerk I was and how my own stupid thinking made me miserable. I saw the same things in my sister and then other people.

The ethical thing to gain from meditation (if done correctly, it requires some work... I am a lazy person) is that you suffer, and after calming your mind you can see other poeple suffering the same way. I don't know about others, but I cannot feel anything different than compassion for people. If you achieve some deeper meditation state - the feelling of overwhelming compassion is overwhelming.

Unfortunatelly the "knowledge" you gain in mediation is unprovable. It's like being in love. You either are - and know it- or not. But it changes your life.

I am strongly against telling children that there is a reincarnation. Although I've read some books by Russel Targ in which he shows some examples or children knowing "relatives" living on the other side of the globe. Some proven but that does not prove reincarnation. As he stated it as well may be some kind of non-local neuron entanglement (as in identical twins experiments).



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by krzyspmac

I know this because I am a buddist.


But not yet a Buddha?

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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Student X

Originally posted by krzyspmac

I know this because I am a buddist.


But not yet a Buddha?

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Apparently
I don't know that I want that right now. Perhaps in a million years



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by krzyspmac

Originally posted by Student X

Originally posted by krzyspmac

I know this because I am a buddist.


But not yet a Buddha?

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Apparently
I don't know that I want that right now. Perhaps in a million years


Yeah. No rush! Have some more spins on the wheel of life.


But consider that after achieving Buddha-hood, you can still do that if you chose. Even though acheiving Buddha-hood liberates you from the wheel, its a nice place to visit. Especially when you can use the power of Buddha-hood to stack the deck before-hand, or when you can take a spin for a specific purpose.


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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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That's true that outer-theism applies to most religions and people, atheists included. Many atheists seem to just "move" from an outer-theism when they were religious to an outer-theism of atheism....nothing much really changed, yet they are so determined that change has occurred. And then often will leverage their own "enlightenment" to attack others who were once in the same position as the atheist. All on the same level though.



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