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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You've got a good idea and I agree, so do legislators of at least 10 states drafting such legislation:
Originally posted by riiver
A much better idea, imho, would be to make it a prerequisite for running for the office that the candidate submit a copy of his/her birth certificate in order to run. No birth certificate, no candidacy. And make this law go into effect before the next pres. election.
You don't specify whether you are referring specifically to Hawaii or in general but you are wrong in either case. Here is the current Hawaii restriction:
As it is, the only people who have access to someone's bc are 1)the person him/herself and 2)a parent or legal guardian. These are the only people who can request and receive a copy of the document. You cannot go to the health dept. and obtain a copy of your neighbor's birth certificate, or your friend's, or even your brother, sister, or grandmother's.
So according to that, what would prohibit any members of the immediate family from getting a copy?
Hawaii's Revised Statute HRS338 restricts making public birth certificate and other vital records only to those who have a "direct and tangible interest," namely the person applying for the certified birth certificate copy, a member of the immediate family, or others with a legal interest such as an adoptive parent or a legal guardian.
Wrong, wrong, maybe, and maybe. The proposed law in Hawaii wouldn't do that in Hawaii:
This proposed law would open up the possibility of anyone being able to obtain the birth certificate of ANYONE else, for a fee. And yes, I know, it only pertains to Obama as it stands. But once you allow general access to one person's bc, then it's much more difficult to continue to deny access to others. Bad, bad idea.
So, "persons of prominence" does not equal "anyone else" nor does it equal "Obama". I really don't think the persons of prominence requirement is such a terrible idea.
Now, the language of HB1116 attempts to skirt these restrictions by modifying Hawaii law such that for a fee of $100, the Hawaii Department of Health will release "a copy of a birth record" for those HB1116 defines as "persons of prominence."
Originally posted by Human_Alien
Originally posted by DOUGH3914
I'm going to vote for him again because i think he is doing a great job cleaning up after bush. And for people to say he was not born here, well i say make them pay money for it! I don't remember when a previous president had to show his records, so why should he have to?
Previous presidents didn't have Kenyan fathers.
Vote for him again? That's if he even makes it to 2012 because the rate things are heating up, we may see an impreached POTUS very soon.
Bush, Cheney, Kerry, Obama....they are ALL the same and in fact, related to one another.
You think Obama is cleaning up after Bush? Well I guess if you feel whitewashing is a form of cleaning up then technically, you're correct.