Originally posted by ArMaP
I am trying, trust me.
Originally posted by Seitler
I see your point. Try to see mine.
Should we also teach each individual how to properly fit in their society? Wouldn't that turn into something like a robot factory
instead of a human society?
I am not saying that we remove their ability to choose a religion. I am saying we teach them how to properly fit in with the WORLD
I don't think that the Talibans are doing things the right way, I just think that we should not be so quick to
judge other people's opinions and even less quick to force our way of thinking.
I honestly WANT them to think and speak what they want, but if you are Muslim and tell a Talib that you want to convernt to ANYTHING, they will
not hessitate to kill you.
To me, the
problem lies in how the Talibans appeared. How did they spread? How can ideas that look against common sense to anyone and that even go to some
Islamic principles be so widely accepted to make them reach those numbers?
Yes, they have a government to regulate state business, but it is weak and the Talibs have infiltrated the entire network.
As I said before, everybody is free to think what they want, so why so may people think that way?
I disagree, we should not force anything unto anyone. Sure, we should clear all the lies and misconceptions, but I don't
think that we can do that by using military forces.
We, as a global force, need to go in and clean up the mess... and by mess I mean the lies and misconceptions the average population has of the
rest of the world.
Why do you think that they do not
understand freedom of choice? Are they any different from other people? Is there any thing that prevents them from thinking like other people?
After we clean out all the "gunk" from their government and cities/villages, then the can help them to better understand the RIGHT to choose
for one's own self. We don't need to tell them what to choose, only what choices are there to be made.
I don't think this is a Middle East problem, the "evil" and "radical" people are everywhere, some are just more noticeable and some
are just being pointed by the media, but they exist everywhere.
Once the "evil" or "radical" people are out of the way, then we will truly start to see the Middle East open up to the rest of the
That would be the best way, things feel better when made by ourselves.
Until then, the Talibs will keep oppressing the entire region. This is going to end in one of two ways: (1) The people take control and "get
rid" of the Talibs however they see fit (2)
The rest of the world is going to get fed up and slaughter anyone that refuses to denounce Islam (or something close to those lines) for fear
that it will spread to their own towns and homes.I really hope that doesn't happen, because it would mean that the rest of the world had
become as evil and radical as the Taliban, only with better weapons and bigger numbers.
In all honesty, what you are hoping for, as far as a solution goes, is a Utopian society. I am sorry, but this is not how these things work. We are
people, sadly, because if we WERE robots then we could all simply be programmed to like each other.
As far as teaching the individual to fit into society, we already do! Think about grade school, secondary school... work environments. ALL of this is
a learning process for individuals. BUT I was talking on a community-level scale. Teach them as a group... then let them fill in the necessary
And no, most of the people over there do not understand the ability to think for themselves. Due to brainwashing techniques, most of the people will
think they are following the will of Allah, or other what-not, but not realize that there perspective has been distorted by the people pulling the
strings. This happens all over the world, but we still have the ability to question what does not make sense. If they try to, most likely they will be
hunted like animals. (Just look at what happened to the couple in the video for an example. They were tricked into coming back to the village, and
then snared in a trap like you would set for an animal.)
Since you are an atheist, I can say this without you getting offended at me. Look at Christianity. I knew a girl, Christian, in Tucson, Arizona that
refused to believe that God could materialize in the form of a saint from the Catholic religion, simply because she was taught at church that
Catholics are wrong. I gave her MANY examples of why God would choose to do this. She said, "God would not do that. He does not care about
non-Christians. Anyone that is not baptized and does not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior are going to hell. The NEED to be Christians to go to
heaven." I brought up the people that lived here in the Americas BEFORE the Europeans brought Christianity with them, she simply said, "They are all
in hell. God probably didn't even know they were over here yet."
I laid this out to ask this question. What kind of free thinking mind would really believe that load of nonsense. It shows anyone is capable of being
brainwashed. That doesn't mean you won't have individual thoughts, but certain ones have been so acutely honed by other people's desires that the
person is unaware they are being used to further the goals of someone else.
I am sure on some level I am "brainwashed" too, I was in the Army after all. BUT I am actively seeking truth and enlightenment. I know I won't find
it for a while, but just being able to do this openly without the fear of being killed is what lets me know that the Middle East needs to change.
Otherwise they are going to implode unto themselves, and the rest of the world will be stuck cleaning up the mess.