Originally posted by Xcathdra
1 - A wrongful conviction can be rectified, and also allows the damaged party to seek damages because he is still alive. A brutal murder is just that
and is permanent.
When I said how do you differentiate, I didn't mean differentiate murder and conviction/sentence in common terms.
- Let me explain -
Why do we call murder, "murder", and the death sentence, "death sentence"? To answer, murder is called murder, because it is an action committed
outside the boundaries of law. The death sentence is the same exact action, but done inside the boundaries of law.
2 - kidnapping is where a person is forcefully abducted against their will, depriving that individual of their legal and constitutional rights absent
a court of law.
The only difference between imprisonment and kidnapping is that one is done outside the law, the other within the boundaries of law. They are both the
same action, they both hold someone against their will etc. The handicapped victim of the law was wrongfully convicted. The Adulterers in Afghanistan
were wrongfully trialled. The whole process was wrong.
Physical torture is when a person is physically harmed / injured in order to produce a response or certain behavior.
The beatings you get in prison is physical torture, the guards won't stop the other inmates from bashing you in the head until you have a swollen
face. It is because want you to behave in certain way.
A wrongful conviction is a breakdown in the legal system where an innocent person is incarcerated for a crime they did not commit.
Yes, an innocent man can be convicted wrongfully within the law and outside the law. For example I compared this adultery case to Western Gangsta
culture where snitches usually gets sentenced to death, or physical torture. They almost always do not have proper trials, there are no proper judges,
usually no witnesses needed etc. It is a mess, because there are two laws, one official, the other cultural, it exists everywhere in the world.
and again, under western law all of the above are able to be challeneged in court, and the wronged parties have a legal avenue for redress of
Yes I know you can, I was talking about the worst of Western law, which produces results as bad as stoning case. That being said, the stoning case is
not following any laws, to put it in a simpler term, it is an angry mob.
The 2 people who were killed in the OP - Were lied to by the authorites. We forcefully removed from their houses at 2 am. Were brought before 2
mullahs who held an illegal judicial proceeding, who then passed a death sentence and then carried it out.
Yes, and the deaf man was lied to by the authorities, trying to make him believe that he was guilty, they forcefully made him go through 20 years
physical and psychological torture. Everything was done legally, but the result was the one of the worst case scenario.
My question for you is if you acknowledge in my last post that Sharia law was not followed in this case, so why are you trying to compare it to
Western law? The response you gave me seemed to indicate that what occured with the mullahs actions was in violation of Sharia law, but you seem to
approve of the actions and results of what occured.
I try to compare it to Western law because I feel like the whole incident have been abused by ATS members, using it to bash Islam. I have said before
that the incident is the worst product of Sharia law, which should be compared to the worst product of Western law, that way we can create some
perspective and not leave it one sided.
Did I miss read your argument, or do you support what occured to these 2 people?
I do not support what happened to these people, but I understand why and what happened as I compare the situation to not just Western law, but Western
If Sharia law is violated, then how come they think they would go to heaven?
Who thinks who would go to heaven?
As a foillow up, what do you mean perspective is everything?
edit on 28-1-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
I have explained it above 3 quotes above.