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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 


Of larger concern:



One former director on the District Board told the Times that he believes the move has come in response to a small amount of anonymous requests for copies of public records, which were then paid for in cash, a perfectly legal right. Residents of the town have been described as “uncommonly antagonistic toward local government”, and former director David Piepho believes some are attempting to use public records “to be like snipers and take shots.” He believes that by banning cash payments, the local government will be able to identify who these individuals are or prevent them from requesting further public information.

However, district representatives have denied those claims, instead suggesting that the ban is being put in place because handling cash puts city officials under threat from potential thieves. California Residents Hit With Government Ban On Paying By Cash 250111banner1


There is a suspicion that the Board voted to ban cash transactions as a direct result of trying to identify those whom they deem "dissidents and trouble makers"...



This is definitely troubling. I don't buy their reasons, I think it's exactly what you suggest it is. Anytime these jerks want to accomplish something through a suspicious means (for their own good), they always come up with alternative reasons to explain why it's to OUR benefit, or how it's to protect the peons who work there. Whoever heard of Water and Power getting robbed??? I've never heard such a story. It's a ridiculous reason. Things like this really get on my nerves. I have a bank account, I pay my bills through that bank account, but I certainly want to have the freedom to pay anyway I want, as long as it's legal tender.




posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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we all now money is legal tender and must be accepted and its law, but guess what people laws can be taken away and changed at any time and for the better, are the pot heads freeking out at not having cash to buy their #. LMFAO

Here's one that kids will understand, bad people wont be able too do bad stuff that involves paper money,it doesnt fix all the problems but hey its a start,when your a bit older i'll tell you about how the people made sure that this system was transparent and we the people kept it uncorrupted, give it a try

Roll on 1000 yrs to startrek,i cant beleive people used money, so primitive



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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It does not matter if *you have nothing to hide*. It matters that your personal business
is yours and stays that way.
The government would love for people to have paper trails in transactions
so they are not missing one penny in tax collection.
The feds are the biggest crooks there are.
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Masterjaden
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You just don't get it.... wow. I use my debit card for most transactions too, the problem is what is possible or even likely to be the ultimate reason or a secondary consequence of denying the use of cash.

Not even mentioning the biblical implications of the mark of the beast, the denial of cash means that they have absolute control over all of your means of purchase.

If they decide to label you a terrorist or whatever, dissident etc.. they will freeze ALL of your funds. immediately without the ability to protest.

This is the ability to control EVERY aspect of your life instantaneously.

Then you have the whole illegal aspect... There is a reason that our printed money has always stated good for all debts, private and public and that our constitution prevents separate currencies for separate states.

It was to prevent the ability to elliminate the value of any group of people or individual.

Wake up, this is not about convenience, it is about control


You got it! Anyone who doesn't see it is completely blind. They chip away at our freedoms for this reason or that reason. Sometimes it's for our own "protection", for security reasons, for convenience, etc. etc. They always sugarcoat these moves and justify them. It's always done slowly to get us used to them one at a time. You place a frog in boiling water, and it'll jump out. You place a frog in cold water and turn the heat on slowly, and in time it will cook to death.

One day we'll wake up and they'll have total control. Pretty soon you can forget about flying out of the country. They'll turn off the internet, they'll blast you with propaganda through TV and radio, they'll declare the rest of the world a huge danger to Americans, and we'll just live here in our paddock, eating it all up. We'll be like the North Koreans, believing we're living in the best country in the world, because we have no way to look outside. Anyone who dares to look outside will be sent to some camp for re-education. Maybe you'll never hear from that person again. It sounds extreme and I know the majority of people would think it's impossible in the U.S. but may I remind you that no country remains stable for longer than a couple hundred years at most. As good as we may have it now, I wouldn't count on it remaining that way for very long. World dynamics keep changing, and no country is immune to change,.. even with a piece of paper like the Constitution and Bill of Rights.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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this is all just silly fear mongering...if you wish to make a payment with a card and not be traced...just go to any walmart/Safeway/target and get a disposable, debit card loaded up with as much cash as ya need...no names no tracing and usable for all transactions that require debit/credit cards.... making a mountain out of a molehill here.



I have news for you. Many places do not accept re-loadable credit cards for payment. I can't pay my PG&E bill with one. I've tried. They don't accept those types of cards as payment, regardless of whether you have the money on there or not. I can't rent a car with one or rent movies with one either. Those re-loadable credit cards have their limitations, believe me......and there's a reason for that. Too many people would be able to fall off the grid that way.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by KDM_Souljah
we all now money is legal tender and must be accepted and its law, but guess what people laws can be taken away and changed at any time and for the better, are the pot heads freeking out at not having cash to buy their #. LMFAO

Here's one that kids will understand, bad people wont be able too do bad stuff that involves paper money,it doesnt fix all the problems but hey its a start,when your a bit older i'll tell you about how the people made sure that this system was transparent and we the people kept it uncorrupted, give it a try

Roll on 1000 yrs to startrek,i cant beleive people used money, so primitive


You just presented the very reason they would use to get us to accept that change. People will say "Well, what's the problem with this new law? Are you afraid you won't be able to buy drugs, now that you can't use cash?" Trust me, potheads will find ways to make transactions without anyone ever knowing they paid for drugs. That includes other illegal activities as well. Maybe they'll open up a pottery or little grocery store, selling food or clay pots and vases,... but instead the real product might be drugs. "John, you sure spend a lot of money on pottery. Where do you keep it all?"

People find ways around the system to do illegal things all the time. Whether they use cash or credit,... the only people who will benefit from you being unable to use cash as legal tender is the IRS. You may be buying pot or an AK-47 under the guise of pottery or artwork, but at least you'll pay taxes on it. No way around that. The paper trail is there, whether you like it or not.

Forget having a yard sale, or buying that ipod from your friend for cash. Well, I guess you could pay him through Pay-Pal. Of course expect Pay-Pal to charge you a fee for using their service... because it's soooo convenient.
edit on 28-1-2011 by 2manyquestions because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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I use a reloadable or prepaid visa card and I have for years. I have been to the states and hired a car with it. All I had to do was phone them and ask for them to remove that restriction and they did.

Cash costs any business a fortune to bank, that's why a lot of stores (I know it happens in the UK) ask if you want cashback when you pay for your goods in a store.

If you pay by card then they save a lot of time and hassle and there's no need for extra staff to process the payment, count and bank the cash.

I now use my cards to pay for sums so small that years ago I would have been ashamed of, I rarely carry cash and I actually prefer to pay by card.

I suppose there's an argument for saying that making people eventually use cards only will help to cut down on crime and illegal immigrants. Unless you're doing something illegal, shouldn't be living in that country or evading paying taxes then what is the problem?

It sounds like some people are just frightened of progress.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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I've seen this coming for a little while now. I started a thread about it here a week or so ago, and lookee here. It really is beginning to happen. The snowball has begun.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Oh boy, hold on your hats folks. Whatever California does, New York tends to follow. Greedy bastards!! I knew about ten years ago that this would eventually take place. Clues included the following: 1) Elimination of store coupons - replaced by membership discount cards. 2) The pressure from employers to get "direct-deposit". 3) The elimination of paper food stamps and welfare "checks". 4) Subscriptions and mail-orders by credit card only. 5) Major discounts on purchaces if paid by credit card only. 6) The massive push to check your credit score and improve it.
These are all the subtle tactics that have been used to prepare the public for this ban on cash. Now they're pushing for SSI to be direct deposit only. Oh, and don't forget the requirement for gun permits and the EZ Pass for the toll-booths on the highways.
Get ready folks, it's only going to get worse. Our country has become communistic, and the american people are just too stupid/ distracted to even notice. Don't even get me started!!!



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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WOW, never in my life would i think to see the little town of Discovery Bay, a town i live in would be the number 1 talking blog on ATS



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Over here in the UK nottingham city council has also done this. Cash no longer being allowed for services etc, of course there saying that it saves them money as they dont need to pay a security company to collect the case and also means the money is in there bank that much sooner and they start earning interest soon.

I think we should all bow our heads and say goodbye to good old fashioned coinage..



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Beginning to wonder if California is a testing ground for new economy plans, did they not introduce the first electric cars with govenrment incentives and then pull the same cars off the market?
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Seems it's always low level government employees who make these decisions. Also they have adopted all sorts of fee schemes to go along with different forms of payment. Since when does the act of paying a bill does the bill payer incur fee in order to pay the bill? I guess that was a bank invention that governments quickly adopted.

I"m pretty sure some cities have ordinances that allows them to refuse payment using coin, but I can't find them at the moment. Still here's a couple examples of how governments react to peoples protests by paying in coin.

Cle Elum man tries to pay fine with 33,000 pennies



CLE ELUM, Wash. (AP) -- After the Kittitas County treasurer refused to accept 33,000 pennies, Cle Elum businessman Ron Spears agreed to pay a $330 property tax bill in a conventional manner.

The treasurer, Deanna Panattoni, says she doesn't have the staff to count 33,000 pennies.


The next one turned into a bomb scare.

Get Counting


Getting slapped with a $37 ticket she didn't feel was deserved, Tammy Sully expressed her irritation one cent at a time. She bundled up 3,700 pennies, put her name, address and parking infraction number on a label, and mailed the 22-pound box off to the district court in Bellevue.


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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by 2manyquestions

Originally posted by KDM_Souljah
we all now money is legal tender and must be accepted and its law, but guess what people laws can be taken away and changed at any time and for the better, are the pot heads freeking out at not having cash to buy their #. LMFAO

Here's one that kids will understand, bad people wont be able too do bad stuff that involves paper money,it doesnt fix all the problems but hey its a start,when your a bit older i'll tell you about how the people made sure that this system was transparent and we the people kept it uncorrupted, give it a try

Roll on 1000 yrs to startrek,i cant beleive people used money, so primitive


You just presented the very reason they would use to get us to accept that change. People will say "Well, what's the problem with this new law? Are you afraid you won't be able to buy drugs, now that you can't use cash?" Trust me, potheads will find ways to make transactions without anyone ever knowing they paid for drugs. That includes other illegal activities as well. Maybe they'll open up a pottery or little grocery store, selling food or clay pots and vases,... but instead the real product might be drugs. "John, you sure spend a lot of money on pottery. Where do you keep it all?"

People find ways around the system to do illegal things all the time. Whether they use cash or credit,... the only people who will benefit from you being unable to use cash as legal tender is the IRS. You may be buying pot or an AK-47 under the guise of pottery or artwork, but at least you'll pay taxes on it. No way around that. The paper trail is there, whether you like it or not.

Forget having a yard sale, or buying that ipod from your friend for cash. Well, I guess you could pay him through Pay-Pal. Of course expect Pay-Pal to charge you a fee for using their service... because it's soooo convenient.
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Pottery: I just touched upon this in my last post. BTW, that was cleaver!
Now here's something they said would be beneficial and stop abuse and that was the food stamp cards. Remeber the arguments to get those? Well here's your kicker for today - People still use them for drugs.
How?
1) Buy goods and trade them for cash to get their drugs.
2) Exchange goods and services for drugs - you will have to stand in line behind the strawberries and crack hos.
3) Some corner entreprenuers have funds scanners guys. What, did you think you needed a security clearance to get one?

On second thought, forget what I've said. I think I've found a new business.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by tamusan
I don't care if they track me in my day to day operation. I am not doing anything wrong.


You don't care now, but you will care someday when the government decides that your day-to-day operations (growing a garden, attending an anti-government protest, etc.) are illegal and suspends your debit and transit cards. Or worse -- tosses you in a FEMA camp.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by DisbeIief
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I use a reloadable or prepaid visa card and I have for years. I have been to the states and hired a car with it. All I had to do was phone them and ask for them to remove that restriction and they did.


Well, I live here, I've tried using one to pay for certain bills, and they wouldn't take it.



Cash costs any business a fortune to bank, that's why a lot of stores (I know it happens in the UK) ask if you want cashback when you pay for your goods in a store.

If you pay by card then they save a lot of time and hassle and there's no need for extra staff to process the payment, count and bank the cash.


It may be good for business, but eliminating cash (or physical tender you can use to trade goods with your fellow human beings) is inconvenient for a lot of people. I personally would not want to have to rely solely on my bank to be able to go buy groceries, pay bills, trade items with people and so forth. That's giving too much control to the banks. It's great if one could trust that nobody would ever use that power for nefarious reasons, but since I can't know that one day it might be used against me, I don't like possibly giving somebody that opportunity and power over me. If one day some agency were to decide to cut me off from my own funds and I was unable to use the cash or other valuables I have on me to sustain myself, I'd be screwed. I'm not saying I expect to be in that situation, but with politicians and lawmakers you can't rule anything out. You must do everything to keep as much of your freedom as possible, as long as possible.

Since I spent part of my life living in a system that took so much of our freedoms away, I feel like now that I'm no longer living in that system, I want to do whatever it takes from it happening in this country as well. My family didn't escape that system only to have it follow us here.



I suppose there's an argument for saying that making people eventually use cards only will help to cut down on crime and illegal immigrants. Unless you're doing something illegal, shouldn't be living in that country or evading paying taxes then what is the problem?

It sounds like some people are just frightened of progress.


Illegal activities will continue to happen whether you're able to use cash or not. Trust me. People find ways around the system all the time. This will NOT cut down on crime, it will only give someone else (Government and banks) more power over your life. They'll have more insight into who you are and what you do. They already have plenty of insight into our lives, but why give them the last bit too? You have to fight for every inch.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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I can't even believe this.

They even openly admit that it's to identify people who have a problem with their local government.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Thanks.


I heard the stories about the Food Stamp cards. People not only used them to buy drugs, but they used them to gamble in the casinos! I remember the story from a few months back. The money spent in casinos was an outrageous amount. I can't remember the exact amount, but I was flabbergasted at the amount.

California Welfare Cards Used in Casinos



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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The law is that they want people to pay with a credit card.
A gift card is like a credit card. A pre paid one is all.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 41 - EXTORTION AND THREATS

§ 872. Extortion by officers or employees of the United States

Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof,
or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or
employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than three years, or both; but if the amount so extorted or demanded does not exceed
$1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; Oct. 31, 1951, ch. 655, § 24(b), 65 Stat. 720; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(G), (K), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, § 606(a), Oct. 11,
1996, 110 Stat. 3511.)


And more information on just WHO a "person" IS, it ain't you and me thats for sure!!




--Ballentine’s Law Dictionary--

"The sovereignty of a state does not reside in the persons who fill the different
departments of its government, but in the People, from whom the government emanated;
and they may change it at their discretion. Sovereignty, then in this country, abides with
the constituency, and not with the agent; and this remark is true, both in reference to the
federal and state government."
-- Spooner v. McConnell, 22 F 939, 943.

"This word `person' and its scope and bearing in the law, involving, as it does, legal
fictions and also apparently natural beings, it is difficult to understand; but it is absolutely
necessary to grasp, at whatever cost, a true and proper understanding to the word in all
the phases of its proper use ... A person is here not a physical or individual person, but the
status or condition with which he is invested ... not an individual or physical person, but
the status, condition or character borne by physical persons ... The law of persons is the
law of status or condition." -- American Law and Procedure, Vol 13, page 137, 1910:

"The word `person' in legal terminology is perceived as a general word which normally
includes in its scope a variety of entities other than human beings., see e.g. 1, U.S.C.
paragraph 1." -- Church of Scientology v. US Department of Justice (1979) 612 F2d 417,
425:


Again, WHEN will the people wake the he!! up and figure out we have ben had? WHEN?

Come on, let's get this straight already...WE have the power to stop this, individually and collectively, I am doing my part, anyone else? File your UCC-1 and take control of the corporate fiction that is supposed to be you. The Birth Certificate is the scam!!!





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