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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
I have 3 words for California residents. GET A LAWYER!!!!
The Money Order For Gold
The Democracy on April 5, 1933 issued an Executive Order removing the gold
from circulation as a currency. This Executive Order served the same function as a
money order to the United States People for the purchase of all the gold in society. Gold
is substance and was used in the "payment of debt." When the President wrote the
money order for all of the gold to be taken out of the system and placed with the
government, the government then removed the people's ability to "pay a debt" because
they didn't have any money to pay with. The golden rule is usually summed up in "HE
who has the gold makes the rules", well sounds mosaic to Me. Here is another part of
the golden rule they don't tell you about "He who has the gold pays the bills." They got
the money; they make the payments. The government then became indebted to the
people to pay all of the debts because the government was holding all of the money.
You ever heard the phrase "All money is loaned into existence", well that is right
because they are borrowing it from Me. The money order debited the people by
removing the gold from their possession, which in turn credited the United States
Government with all of the newly held gold in their possession. This exchange is
halfway completed because the gold was taken from the people and nothing had yet
been returned. The people now need something in this exchange to balance out the
ledger and re-credit their original holdings. To complete the exchange, the United States
Government debited them selves with a promissory note (the promise of Abraham),
which in return re-credited the people. This was the executing order from the President
killing the legal capacity of the Government to control the people. The government was
then dead/debt (phonetically it sounds similar). Here is another interesting part. The
debtor always has the money because he is the one borrowing it, so when the President
wrote the money order which took the gold, they became the borrower/debtor, and that
is why there is a Public Debt, it is because they are borrowing the money from Us, the
Owner. What must happen now is the debt must be redeemed back to the original
owner. Here is the Executive Order (money order) that killed the government and made
them the ones liable for every debt they associate to. When you see "Executive" think,
"execute" and when you see "order," think "money order."
Because all the money was taken away in an executive order (money order), the
President is holding all the money that can pay the bills. Here is an example. A national
emergency occurs and an executive order is issued and money can now be sent to the
victims. Another example is when Mexico got money from the U.S. The Congress said
no but then the President by executive order, then sent the money. Another example is
when the prisons are running out of money, an executive order can be issued and now
the prisons get all the funding the need.
The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the
government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on
the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their
credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of
circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption.
This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect
contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a
contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have
any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and
discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments.
The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born
lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an
execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic,
simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels
of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt
with a debt. What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to
pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is
discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged
dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt
exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in
possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so
we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary
can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel
that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not
true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the
people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask
yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay?
Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on
top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and
so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the
more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all
that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and
after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the
payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the
Pre-paid is very simple. The entire economy is pre-paid. Look at it this way: We have a
car sitting on a dealer’s lot. You walk up to buy the car. Does the dealer ever tell you "I
am glad you are going to buy this car because we have to find out how we are going to
pay for this car to be built." No is the answer you would get, but that is exactly what they
are doing when you go to the bank to get a loan. When do they ever build something
and then talk about how they are going to finance it to be built. The product was paid for
when the contract was put in place to collect the industrial recourses through the Army
Corp of Engineers, EPA, DOT, and OSHA in Flint, Michigan to build it. Even more
precisely, the item was paid for when the census did a per-capita poll to identify how
much money those agencies should put into the economy based on our productivity,
(unfortunately take a quick look at Marxism and Keynesian Economics to make a
connection with your worth and your previous status). Now everybody with a head (per
capita) raise your hand. Good they loaned against you to finance the operation, that is
the "Principal Account." Making the item pre-paid for the acceptor. This is another
reason why you are the principal. The principal reason you are Pre-Paid is because
Christ's acceptance of the sins in the Garden of Gethsemane and His death on the
cross, created the Pre-Payment of all your liabilities both temporal and spiritual because
they are inseparable because I wasn't here two thousand years ago but My sins were
pre-paid on the condition that I accept the Redeemer. You are the source of economic
production being the principal and your interest accruing from you i.e. a per-capita
census statistics was pledged as the collateral to be the sponsor of the monetary
systems' credit. That is why when interest that accrues from the principal gets returned
(tax returned) to the principal, there is a decrease in tax liability (a deduction). The
vendor is paying his taxes to you. That is why it is a tax matter. Tax is just a return of
the interest to the principal.
Originally posted by Iamschist
Now I'm going to sound like one of those hysterical end timers. I can't help it, this is so scarey to me. In order for the Bible prophecys to come true, I am refering to the number of the beast without which you cannot buy or sell, cash has to disappear. If only "electronic money" exists, then our bank accounts can be controled and by extension, we will be controled.
Originally posted by atomicn
People still pay things with cash? You guys are like those old timers clinging to the outdated practice.
Go use online banking, online bill pay, heck you can even pay over the phone.
Funny how you crazy people turn this into some crazy conspiracy how New World Order and Government are trying to do some evil.
Originally posted by StarLightStarBright2
I talked to a man on Monday in the Discovery Bay office and he stated that the 5 member board decided to eliminate cash,NOT the people of that town.......I asked several question to which he answered all and was very nice.......He stated that this decision was made because they get 10,000$ cant remember if it was a month or yr in cash for water garbage ect and they run a 2-3 person staff and it takes 45 min to go to bank and such so it will be easier on them to use ck cards as they can use the cks electronically and it saves times and money for them....He also said that the gal that goes to the bank is not insured and if there was a wreak its all on her insurance.Again he was very nice said if i had any more question i could call back any time.
REPLY: The only truthful thing there is that is saves them money. She has to have car insurance, which covers her in case of theft. Also, she has insurance from the state since she works for the state. The "old" system worked fine for decades.
He also said that they had 3 anonymous request for records in a yr and that WAS NOT the reason for going cash less.The way i see it the people DID vote for this 5 person board to give them power to take care of there community.....If they are unhappy with there performance they need to vote them out next election.....I DO NOT see this as big brother setting this up at all....I am amazed that this thread got the attention it did and think the heading of it is misleading.....It IS NOT California it is 1 very small community that will not take cash for services that's it.This is a BIG lesson to me to read better and get as much info as possible before i make a judgment....And this goes for all stuff I HAVE posted about.We grow and learn.
REPLY: Not Big Brother? Do more research.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
Amazing, a Government department refuses to accept "Legal Tender" that has been issued by the Government..
This has been debated forever. The number of the beast is 666, and no other. so, how could any town or country operate if everyone has the same "account" number?
Originally posted by Americantrucker
I haven't yet read through the thread, but if it's true, it doesn't sit too well with me. I have to admit that I'm not a big fan of carrying cash on me and do enjoy the convenience of paying by card, but no longer accepting cash is just plain wrong. It says right on the money "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.". To me, that's a contractual obligation to accept it as payment. You're paying off your debt for PUBLIC services with legally recognized currency.
If they don't like it, too bad for them.
REPLY: You are absolutely correct, sir. If you bring cash to them (and I'd video tape it) and they refuse, then it's on them. This is exactly the reason the sooner California and Washington state fall into the water, the better. But it has to happen in like an hour, so none of them can move inland.
Originally posted by VeniVidi
reply to post by Xcathdra
My thoughts too. How can they refuse cash? There are people AKA "poor people" who have, nor ever will, own a credit/debit card. Owing one requires some type of business relationship with a bank or other corporate organization, and I just can't see a government, local or otherwise, forcing citizens into that. Of course I am looking at the small picture.
Originally posted by nohumanintentions
I watched a video many years ago about how enlisted soldiers are given a card called "the mark card" they must present this card to buy anything on base or for medical attention. And the sattlite which comtrols and monitors these "mark cards" is called "the beast".
House bill 195 basically says those who buy and sell second hand goods cannot use cash to make those transactions, and it flew so far under the radar most businesses don't even know about it.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
Uhmm yeah this is a huge nono.. Business cannot refuse to accept cash as a form of payment. Its illegal to do so.