California Residents Hit With Government Ban On Paying By Cash , page 16


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reply posted on 30-1-2011 @ 09:46 PM by BobLeeSwagger
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



This is just wrong. Force people to stop carrying legal tender and use banks that will take their money or lose it all. One more reason to add to the list of why I will never move to Cali.



reply posted on 31-1-2011 @ 12:53 AM by bekod
reply to post by Vforvictory303

how true but they are just getting started, we the people have not seen anything yet, you think it is bad now wait till summer.


reply posted on 31-1-2011 @ 02:05 AM by agentblue
reply to post by buddhasystem

It may be a different form of payment but it still wasn't a democratic vote by the people to institute this ordinance


reply posted on 31-1-2011 @ 06:57 AM by NuclearPaul
Don't know if anyone has highlighted the video in the article - this thread is getting too big to read it all. And so it should.



Love it from 2.30 on. Suspicious paying with cash? It is a laugh!

Fortunately going by the comments on it, the DHS's days are numbered.


reply posted on 31-1-2011 @ 10:32 PM by laurosantos
reply to post by pmbhuntress



Yes yes yes! But where do we start? The underground revolution must start with us, but how?! Now! The time is now. I know you read our messages and posts but we are about to rise up and u can't stop us by shutting down the net. The innocent will overcome. The people will govern themselves. The new world order will fail.


reply posted on 31-1-2011 @ 10:58 PM by laurosantos
reply to post by SomeCheesyUsername



I'm just hoping some day someone comes to my door and says," Mr.Santos are you ready to begin the revolutio?" "Then please put down that Taco and come with us!"


reply posted on 31-1-2011 @ 11:07 PM by 22ndsecond
First it's cards, then cards with chips, then chips implanted into our skin (or eyes www.youtube.com...)
then total domination of our brains. Who hoo!
As if we didn't strip money of all it's value already, now it's a card that controls you with worthless value attached.


reply posted on 1-2-2011 @ 07:54 PM by mbkennel
There is some confusion about the meaning of legal tender (and part is actual grey area of fact).

Private businesses may refuse legal tender currency as payment for goods and services, but may not refuse it as payment for debts. In practice the area between "owing a payment" and a "debt" may be somewhat unclear, but I would imagine that courts would interpret a payment to be for a "debt" when the business practices involved a clear opening of a line of credit from one party to another.

If a restaurant gives me a meal and presents the check at the end, there was no clear debt instrument or agreement created---if you don't pay that is fraud or theft, not defaulting on a debt. If you walk out of a store without paying that is shoplifting, a criminal offense. If you put it on your credit card, and don't pay the credit card (even a store card), that is not a criminal offense, just civil liability.

So, a store could refuse your paying in cash. However, your credit card company cannot refuse payment of your bill in cash.

However, as has been stated, there is US Code which particularly mentions public charges, taxes, and dues, and does not restrict to Federal entities:

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
—31 U.S.C. § 5103


So I believe the town is not following the law.

I also object to the notion that people checking public records are "snipers". Snipers kill people.


reply posted on 2-2-2011 @ 04:29 AM by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



I am not positive but I am pretty sure that if someone got pissed off about it and took it to court that they could point out the wording on the currency about being able to be used to pay any and all debts within our borders etc......and they would have to start taking cash......I am pretty sure with it being on the currency it is almost like a contract between the government and the people or some such thing. Call a lawyer someone and ask and let me know if I am correct..........(Kind of reminds me of the Miracle on 34th St. movie where the post office acknowledges him as Kris Kringle so it must be so since they are a government agency) LOL *My mother forced old movies and musicals on me growing up I have lots of useless stuff rattling around up here LOL!!!!*
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