Egypt: Internet down, police counterterror unit up

Originally posted by asala
Blackberry and cell service returns to Egypt

but the protesters are still protesting, its almost 4am
and they are still going at it, oh and btw the military there
just reported that they havent stated publicly that they are
on the side of the people, im still watching this live coverage
english.aljazeera.net... lot of constant updated
info on there.

From what I had heard...and now granted this was on the Michael Savage radio show (which I usually listen more for "entertainment" purposes I will admit), but man after Obummers speech tonight he was LIVID!! He went off his rocker like never before...but he was mentioning that the "rioters" are not so much Egyptians fighting for "democracy" but the Muslim Brotherhood doing their....thang I guess. Sorry if that has already been brought up in this thread but has anyone else heard anything along those lines, or has Savage completely blew a gasket this time (more so than usual lol)?

NT

Apologies I have not had time to read all the threads, but I am am an American/Iranien and here is my take...

I am very happy that the Egyptian people are standing up for their rights and values and I hope they do become more free and prosper. However they must be careful what they wish for because they may end up getting someone worse or an hidden extremist as in the case of Iran back in the late 70's.

Now when I talk to my kin in Iran all they can say is how they wish for " the kings time to return and how better it was...all the freedom they have had to give up just within a couple short years under Khomeni"...

I pray the brotherhood (with its ties to Al Zaweeryofalready) does not get any political control in Egypt...

News coming out of Egypt would suggest it's citzens have chosen violence as a tool to show their displeasure with their government as a small number of deaths have been reported already. Stocks are reportedly down too.

I recall in 1999 rioting got way out of hand in Seattle Washington and some of the still shots and videos look much like Egypt rioting. Check out the following Utube video of Seattle rioting also known as the Battle in Seattle www.youtube.com... Why do I bring this up? Because most don't think rioting of that nature exists in America but it does and it's good to know it does (IMHO) because that says Americans can and will stand up for themselves (even though we are known as the sheeple people of the world).

Just my two cents worth here but change seems to always come with a high price tag and death always seems to be part of change.

Cheers~ Badmisterfrosty

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You do realize that less than 30 million watch 'American Idol' a week, right? Save your typical ATS stereotypes.

Ain't that the truth, don't people know it's Jersey Shore now days?? That American Idol is so early 2000's!!!

See, that's the thing about what is going on as I see it...I mean, good for the people if they are tired of corruption, but they are going to end up like Iran if they let these Muslim Brotherhood people lead them. What a shame to see the treasures of Egypt potentially end up destroyed like the Buddahs in Afghanistan.

Many people on this thread seem to want to see revolution for the sake of revolution without consideration of the end result.

Mubarak is slime, just like his buddies in the US political system, but at least he isn't a muslim extremist whacko.

I'm all for revolution in the US. It's not time for a change in government, but a change of government. However, if the call were being led by, say, the Tea Party, I'm not so sure I'd be there for them as I think they are as big a bunch of crooks as the crooks we currently have.

Originally posted by Ear-Responsible
Does this mean Anonymous is all bark and no bite? They did just send Egypt's leaders a clear warning a couple of days ago. You'd think the "super hackers" might have been able to stop this, or atleast provide an alternate form of communication for the people.

On Friday afternoon, the loose hacker group Anonymous began a campaign to fax thousands of copies of WikiLeaks’ latest missives–a series of State Department cables revealing human rights abuses under Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and tacit U.S. backing for his administration–to Egyptian numbers.

Since Thursday night, Egypt has blocked its four largest Internet service providers, Link Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, and Etisalat Misr. But landlines remain connected–and so, Anonymous believes, do landline-connected fax machines. “We stand up for the little guy as well as fighting the government,” one source within Anonymous writes to me. “We believe the people need to see the truth, which is why we’re faxing locations in Egypt (especially schools) with copies of a relevant WikiLeaks cable; due to the majority of Egyptian Internet being down, the public cannot access this vital information.”

On a crowdsourced document that the group uses for planning, members listed fax numbers of half a dozen Egyptian schools as their first targets. “The idea is to distribute the information to students, who can then share it with others,” says another source within Anonymous. “Right now they need to know that the police cannot be trusted and the wikileaks cables are just more proof of that.”

Amid Digital Blackout, Anonymous Mass-Faxes WikiLeaks Cables To Egypt

Anonymous is doing everything it can to help the people in Egypt and the jealous middle aged no good neckbeards who opposse anonymous, are doing everything they can to criticise anonymous, simply because they are afraid of anonymous and anonymous does not work for their benefit (hint: Israel)

And then the president admits defeat and says he's going to appoint a new government? Does he honestly think the people will accept this? After one day of (media reported) revolting, what a joke!

The impoverished youth will take over from the corrupt old guard in all Muslem/Middle Eastern countries. Any peace treaties with Israel will be voided. This is not a good thing!

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You don't think the U.S. wouldn't shut down the net if the same thing happened here? Keep dreaming. The U.S. Govmint does it NOW, just on a smaller scale. References? Just Google it, or, hit the sites that were seized that are NOT on U.S. soil nor under U.S. law.

Stop being hypocrites. It's either right, or it's wrong. There is no justification for one instance or another.

Just because things don't fit YOUR definition of right or wrong? PLEASE.

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Enough of Anonymous. They may be able to assert their will on a few, but they suck, period.

I'd like to see every member of Anon live under the Taliban.

The Muslim Brotherhood will rule Egypt. Look them up.

Frankly, I don't give a crap about Egypt or the politics of the world. I care about my family and the ones I love.

To hell with you nutters, and Egypt .

Hey, I'm all for rioting against the government if we're talking about wrongdoings against the civilian population (eventho I don't even know what the people are protesting against).

But when it comes to fundamental fanatic religious groups taking over, I'm strictly against that.
If anyone thinks that it's all good that the Muslim Brotherhood are going to take over Egypt, they are sadly mistaken.

If you think these riots are causing havoc, wait 'till you see what a war with Israel is going to cause.
And I say this because if the Muslim Brotherhood somehow gets into power (just like Hezbollah finally achieved domination over Lebanon) they are, sooner or later, going to demolish any ties with the Israeli government and for sure will go for an armed conflict.


I hope that the people of Egypt know what they are doing, and really hope that fanatic groups won't use this event for their own benefits.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Perhaps. That was from memory, but I'm pretty sure I need to change it to "they learned from Lebanon and blocked it during the flotilla incident." Anything I read about that would have been here. In addition, I later in this thread clarified that statement.

Unfortunately I can't find this clarification you're talking about. As I recall, with all of my 20 years on the internet, I wasn't even disconnected even once due to a general shutdown by the Israeli government. After the flotilla incident I don't recall even one time not being able to go online.

Seeing as I can't even find your posts in this thread (a huge mess), please show me your clarification as to the Israeli government shutting down the internet.

Didn't happen even once.

reply to post by AcesInTheHole


I don't have a problem with Mubarak being deposed, per se. He has rigged many elections so is not democratic, the type of government we profess to support. We have a history of supporting dictators such as he is in order to keep order, and oppose other types of regimes such as communism, socialism, and Islamic theocracies, despite our support, again, of such governments as Saudi Arabia has, which is very closely entwined with Islamic fundamental rule. I support the uprisings. However, if a vacuum is created by depositions in Tunisia, Algeria, Yemen, and Egypt, then what we have to fear is what comes next. The Shah was no nice guy, but what followed him, the Islamic theocracy of Iran, is hardly what we want for the Iranian people. We certainly don't want Islamic fundamentalist governments being formed in those countries. We want a democracy we can support without being the hypocrites we have been in the past such as when we supported the Shah, Pinochet, Saddam, Noriega, and so on. Will this be an example of Better The Devil You Know? I hope not. I would like to be proud of the types of governments we back up with billions of our tax dollars for a change. Our tax dollars going to corrupt regimes hardly impresses people around the world despite our claims to back democracy.

As much as people like to bash the intellect of the average American, being from the region I can tell you people are even worse there. The education system does not allow for open minded discussion and thinking. You are only taught about your country/region/religion. Thankfully I went to school here (yes thankfully), because even now their teachings are limited.

Example: My sister moved in with me a year ago after living in Iran for 19 years, I asked her to show me on a map where the US was...she had no clue, I asked her where Afghanistan was on a map and she could not locate it, did not even realize it bordered Iran. I asked her many questions regarding science she was taught (and she is a straight A student here, very smart)...why we have 365 days in a year, what does the earth revolve around...etc...you get the point...she could not answer most of these questions...
Now she could kick my butt in math...: )

This just goes to show how brainwashed they are and how limited their teachings are. So I pray they are making the decision by protesting and not just jumping on a bandwagon...if Mubarak can bring more freedom and prosperity even if it is to save his own hind, we will still have a ally in the middle east, the money we give him yearly should be tied to achieving certain economic and goals for freedom.

my 2 cents...

reply to post by Newbomb Turk


Michael Savage is a Freemason. The muslims and the Freemasons hate each other! What did you expect Savage to say?

Originally posted by Nutella
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Enough of Anonymous. They may be able to assert their will on a few, but they suck, period.

I'd like to see every member of Anon live under the Taliban.

Anonymous has no member. You're statement simply proves you no nothing about it.

The Muslim Brotherhood will rule Egypt. Look them up.

Anything is good in comparison to a party backed by US or Israel.

Frankly, I don't give a crap about Egypt or the politics of the world. I care about my family and the ones I love.
To hell with you nutters, and Egypt .

Ah' thanx for reminding me. Should've known you were trying to make a invisible post to yourself.

Internet and cell phone outages can be caused by jammers for wireless and cellular communications that are available to the military and various government security forces. Don't suppose the Egyptian army, or its special forces, have any of this? Nah.

I don't know if this has been proposed already. But since they have control of their network. Why are we to think that the riot videos and news is true. When some thing much worse could be happening.

I Love to see brave guys like this at 1:22

This revolution scares me, it means it's the start of every other country getting peace in the middle east. This could mean the end.