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RAF Lightning UFO Mystery 1970 - (hoaxed pilot transcript).

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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Great video with researcher Timothy Good discussing aircraft UFO chases and the strange case of Captain William Schaffner who disappeared over RAF Binbrook on September 8th 1970 - military historian Bruce Barrymoore Holpenny also makes some intriguing points about aircraft transcripts and closed canopies:




RAF Binbrook, September, 1970:





What follows is drawn from information given to the Grimsby Evening Telegraph newspaper who broke the story and was reported as being an official transcript of the conversation between Captain Schaffner and the radar station at Staxton Wold.



SCHAFFNER: I have visual contact, repeat visual contact. Over.

STAXTON; Can you identify aircraft type.

SCHAFFNER: Negative, nothing recognizable, no clear outlines. There is bluish light. Hell that's bright….very bright.

STAXTON: Are your instruments functioning 94. Check compass. Over.

SCHAFFNER: Affirmative, GCI I'm along side of it now, maybe 600 feet off my…It's Conical shape, jeeze that's bright, it hurts my eyes to look at it for more Than a few seconds.

STAXTON: How close are you now?.

SCHAFFNER: About 400 feet he's still in my three o'clock. Hey wait…there's something Else. It's like a large soccer ball…it's like made of glass.

STAXTON: Is it part of the object or independent over.

SCHAFFNER: Negative, nothing.

STAXTON: Can you asses the rate…..?.

SCHAFFNER: Contact in descent, gentle. Am going with it…50 no about 70…it's Levelled out again.

STAXTON: Is the ball object still with it. Over.

SCHAFFNER: Affirmative it's not actually connected…maybe magnetic attraction to The conical shape. There's a haze of light ye'ow …it's within that haze. Wait a second it's turning…coming straight for me…# I'm taking
Evasive action…a few…I can hardly…

STAXTON: Come in 94 are you receiving over, come in.



As the controller lost contact with Captain Schaffner, a radar operator who had been tracking the Lightning and the mystery object watched in amazement. The two blips on the screen representing the aircraft and it's quarry, slowly merged into one. Decellerating rapidly from 500mph. Until they became stationary 6000 feet above the North Sea..


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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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i take it scaffner was an american pilot, if not this is a hoax as the words he used were not what an english raf pilot would use

edit, sorry hadnt watched the video yet as he was an american pilot.
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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wow you have to watch the video to understand how strange this really is, the pilot went missing but his cockpit was still closed, incredible. already gave a star and flag after editing my last post and i wish i could give another as that is a great bit of info there.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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This is a good exampe of a fatal attempt to intercept a UFO. It reminds me a little of the Kinross Incident. See also here.

The pilot description of the object is very interesting in this example. Especially the bit about the power source.


Schaffner: About 400ft, he's still in my three o' clock. Hey wait ... there's something else. It's like a large soccer ball. It's like it's made of glass.

Staxton: Is it part of the object or independant? Over.

Schaffner: It ... no, it's separate from the main body ... the conical shape ... it's at the back end, the sharp end of the shape. It's like bobbing up and down and going from side to side slowly. It maybe the power source. There's no sign of ballistics.
Source


I have no idea what to make of the missing body. Very strange that it appears he didn't eject. Does anyone have a plausible explanation for this one?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Sounds to me like he didn't remove the ejector safety pins. Of course I'm only guessing but I did hear of a pilot that landed a plane that any other pilot would have ditched, before they could compliment him on his bravery they noticed that the safety pin that are removed to arm the ejector seat where not removed.

Of course I can offer no reason why they then didn't find a body or why he was forced to ditch.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Anybody who denies the existence of ufo/uap, or ridicules people who explain their experiences with them either has not done their homework or is trying to derail legitimate informing and inquiry. I had never heard of this account, thanks for posting!



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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S & F, never heard of this one before either, strange it doesn't appear in any of the "compilation books".

Wonder if there is any reference to the incident in any of the MOD's file releases.

The op is slightly misleading though, not deliberately I imagine but everyone should take the time to go the links posted for the full story (well, as much as is known) as not only does it put a different perspective on the incident it seems the waters get muddier.

For example the Lightning was apparently ditched by Schaffer and the cockpit canopy opened by him.

Would an American pilot be accredited to fly an RAF plane that didn't see service with the USAF ?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Just to answer my own question above, Schaffner was apparently flying with the RAF under a pilot exchange programme.

According to here.

Edited to also add apparently the whole transcript is a hoax, maybe why this incident hasn't reached any compilation books. OP title change required ?

See here and here.
edit on 27-1-2011 by chunder because: As stated



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by chunder
(snip)apparently the whole transcript is a hoax, maybe why this incident hasn't reached any compilation books. OP title change required ?


You seem ready to take that claim at face value I notice. However, the Ministry of Defence had already claimed that the report on the crash had been destroyed.


Captain William Schaffner was a 28-Year-old American exchange officer. His family were never told the results of the official inquiry into the crash. The Ministry of Defence has previously insisted that the report on the crash was shredded.
His sons, Glenn and Mike Schaffner, have been trying to discover the truth about their father’s disappearance for years.
BBC: Inside Out

How do we know what to believe? If the original report was destroyed, then the new transcript obtained by the BBC could be the bogus one. If the report wasn't destroyed then the Ministry were clearly lying. To cover up what? What makes you think that suddenly they are telling the truth?

I find it incredible that, even though we know from released documents that the US and British were lying about UFOs, many investigators take what those same governments say to be the best evidence.

Don't you get it? There's been a cover up. You have to consider non-official evidence to check what they say in case it's more lies. They said the report was shredded. Is this really rocket science? What makes you think this is true?



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Does anyone know if this incident was included in the released UFO files.

If yes do you have the link, if no tells it everything you need to know about whether the discloser was honest or just a way of denying the real evidence and deflect requests via the freedom of info act.

S+F BTW
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posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Awesome thread Karl.

Reminds me of the Thomas F. Mantell incident. A decorated war hero, killed chasing something unknown. I think the favorite explanation was "he was chasing Venus" and passed out due to hypoxia LOL. So sad, to make it sound like a decorated war veteran had no sense, nor flying experience..... They'll do it to anybody, no matter who you are IMO.

Exception for this thread's incident: this one gave up no body, the cockpit was found closed on the bottom of the sea floor. I wonder if they "grabbed" him before the plane crashed into the sea.

I am interested and perplexed. S&F again!!!



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Pimander

To cover up what?



The fact that the RAF had in effect killed a USAF pilot.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings


Exception for this thread's incident: this one gave up no body, the cockpit was found closed on the bottom of the sea floor. I wonder if they "grabbed" him before the plane crashed into the sea.



I wonder if Schaffner himself closed the canopy, possibly in a vain attempt to keep the plane afloat for longer.

The North sea is a very inhospitable place and unfortunately it appears that Schaffner drowned, hence why no body was found, it wouldn't necessarily have washed up anywhere.

Surely that is a more likely scenario than his being teleported into a UFO.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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As the controller lost contact with Captain Schaffner, a radar operator who had been tracking the Lightning and the mystery object watched in amazement. The two blips on the screen representing the aircraft and it's quarry, slowly merged into one. Decellerating rapidly from 500mph. Until they became stationary 6000 feet above the North Sea.
From OP's Link 1

I didn't say anything about teleportation; the testimony above states that the UFO and jet merged, indicating physical "or very close" contact.

Does that need to mean teleportation to "grab" the pilot?



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
reply to post by chunder
 



As the controller lost contact with Captain Schaffner, a radar operator who had been tracking the Lightning and the mystery object watched in amazement. The two blips on the screen representing the aircraft and it's quarry, slowly merged into one. Decellerating rapidly from 500mph. Until they became stationary 6000 feet above the North Sea.
From OP's Link 1

I didn't say anything about teleportation; the testimony above states that the UFO and jet merged, indicating physical "or very close" contact.

Does that need to mean teleportation to "grab" the pilot?


In all accounts there was contact between the pilot and base after the alleged (hoaxed) coming together. The plane did not crash into the sea, it was ditched and floated for a short while, there being relatively little damage to the plane as seen when it was recovered.

Supposedly the pilot was seen emerging from the cockpit before being lost - no reports of any other objects nearby so if he was "grabbed" then necessarily yes, that does mean teleportation, unless you are suggesting that the plane was ditched by "them" and the pilot wasn't sighted ?

A thorough read of all links may help to establish the sequence of events.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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Maybe these type of crafts or beings are plasma based lifeforms or 'critters' as Zorgon calls them. There has always been a pretty big connection with UFOs and electricity. Many people report of feeling a static charge in the air in the presence of UFOs and abductees have often said the actual craft they were taken in was some sort of living being.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by karl 12
Great video with researcher Timothy Good discussing aircraft UFO chases and the strange case of Captain William Schaffner who disappeared over RAF Binbrook on September 8th 1970 - military historian Bruce Barrymoore Holpenny also makes some intriguing points about aircraft transcripts and closed canopies:


Hi karl 12, thanks for sharing this video and information about this really very interesting case.

I hope you dont mind, but here is some additional information about it which I did also post once on our mutual friend jkrog08 marvelous thread.

“The ATS UFO/Alien Chronological Thread Directory”

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another interesting case from the special edition of the once existing quite interesting English UFO magazine, The Unopened Files, celebrating 50 years of unidentified flying objects 1947-1997
It’s about Captain William Schaffner, born September 11, 1941 - September 8 1970 who was a pilot in the United States Air Force.
He died in mysterious circumstances in 1970 over the North Sea.

Part one

Incident at RAF Binbrook September 8th 1970
by Sam Willey


On September 8th, 1970, at around 10:00 p.m. a single Lightning Jet Fighter departed from RAF Binbrook located in North Lincolnshire near Grimsby. The ground staff were used to Lightning Fighters being scrambled in a hurry at any time day or night. RAF Binbrook was a front-line fighter station and its aircraft shared QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) duty with other east coast airfields to provide cover should an unknown aircraft appear on radar. The pilot of the Jet was Captain William Schaffner of the US Air Force who was on his second tour of duty as an exchange pilot with the Royal Air Force. Schaffner was a well experiences fighter pilot with combat experience in Vietnam he has been stationed at RAF Binbrook for some time and his wife was living on the base with him. The aircraft was an XS894 Lightning F6 of 5 squadron, whose call-sign on the night in question was Foxtrot 94. The jet tumbled into the North Sea and disappeared leaving a mystery.





Very early the next morning a recovery effort was made but no trace of Captain Schaffner's plane could be seen. Over one month later the wreckage of the aircraft was found on the seabed by Royal Navy divers however there was no sign of Captain Schaffner.

The events which ultimately led right to the crash of the fighter jet starts at a radar station called Saxa Vord whose task was to spot unknown aircraft approaching the north sea, or the Iceland Gap. The cold war was at its height in 1970 and Russian aircraft made regular trips into the North Atlantic and along the British Coast to test the reaction of fighters.

On the night of the crash a radar operator at Saxa Vord picked up the blip of an unknown aircraft over the North sea halfway between the Shetlands and the Alesund in Norway. The craft was monitored for several minutes at a speed of 630MPH at 37,000ft in altitude and on a south-westerly heading. Saxa Vord noted that the unknown was turning through 30 degrees to head south at this point it increased its speed to 900MPH and claimed to an altitude of 44,000ft.

Radar operators at Saxa Vord sent a scramble message to the ORA flight at the nearest NATO airfield which was RAF Leuchers located on the east coast of Scotland not to far from Dundee. At Leuchers two Lightning intercept aircraft who were prepared for such a message scrambled and within minutes were in the air and heading out over the North sea after checking the position of their tanker, a Victor K1A, the two fighters were guided north by Saxa Vord but it was then that radar operators on the Shetland Islands saw something on their radar screens which they thought to be impossible.

The unknown they had been tracking at speeds and altitudes consistent with modern Russian warplanes, turned through 180 degrees on a north heading and within a couple of seconds vanished off their screens. Later they predicted that for this to be possible the unknowns speed must have been at an astonishing speed of 17,400MPH. Within the hour, the mystery aircraft reappeared several times, approaching from the north and on each occasion the interceptors were sent north to check out the unknown aircraft showing up on radar and again the unknown turned around and vanished from radar screens.

At this point two F4 Phantoms from the US Air Force had been scrambled from an American base at Keflavik, Iceland. They had much more advanced radar than the British Lightning's however when they tried to get close enough to identify the mystery they found they were just as useless as the Lightning's. The alert has reached such an alarming level that the contact was being monitored at the Ballistic Missile Earling Warning System at Fylingdales. The information they were collection was then passed on to the North American Air Defence Command at Cheyenne Mountain and the US Detection and Tracking Centre in Colorado Springs. RAF staff at Fylingdales heard that the Strategic Air Command Headquarters at Omaha, Nebraska was ordering its B-52 bombers into the air.

This order could have only come from the very highest level of command and what had started as a ordinary sighting of what was thought to be a Russian aircraft had now been passed on to the White House and President Nixon himself. At around 9:45pm a request was made from a high level within the North American Air Defence thought strike Command's at UK headquarters at High Wycombe, for RAF Binbrook to send Captain Schaffner to join the Lightning's to look for the mysterious craft.





The NATO forces were at full alert because of the mysterious object picked up by radar over the North sea. The object had at first been a normal Russian aircraft out to test the reaction of Allied air forces but the strange craft had began to behave in a way that left Radar operators lost for answers. At approximately 10:06pm Captain Schaffner took off from Binbrook's main runway and shot off into the night sky. At this point the mystery now involved five lightning aircraft, two phantoms, three tankers, the president of the United States being informed and a Shakleton being scrambled over the North sea. The mysterious craft was now flying parallel to the East Coast 90 miles each of Whitby at 530MPH and at an altitude of 6,100ft which was a most ideal course for an interception by a Binbrook Lightning.


For the following official transcript of the conversation between Captain Schaffner and the Radar station at Staxton Wold: look here.

www.ufodigest.com...

See part two for continuation after the official transcript of the conversation.



Continuation after the official transcript of the conversation.



Shortly after the search and rescue Whirlwind from nearby Loconfield arrived on the scene and began a systematic search of the crash site the aircraft was then joined by the lifeboats from Bridlington, Flamborough and Filey as the weather began to deteriorate. The search continued well into the next day but there was no transmissions from the beacons carried by the pilot on board the aircraft the official reports of this incident say no distress flares were seen. On October 7th divers from HMS Keddleston had examined the wreckage and said that Captain Schaffners body was still in the cockpit but the biggest mystery is that when the aircraft was brought to the surface and returned to Binbrook there was no trace of the Captain just an empty cockpit. When the wreck was finally lifted from the sea five miles away from Flamborough Head it was taken secretly directly to RAF Binbrook.





Strangely enough many of the cockpits instruments were missing these included B2B compass, voltmeter, stand-by direction indicator, stand-by invertors indicator and the complete auxiliary warning panel from the starboard side of the cockpit below the voltmeter. This was a massive breach of regulations and thought the Ministry of Defence crash investigation team was promised the instruments would be returned they never were.





The ejector seat also seemed to be wrong and there was suspicion later among the investigators that it was not the one fitted to the aircraft when it took off from Binbrook on its final flight. They were even given assurance by the commanding officer of the 5 squadron that the seat had not been tempered with but some of the investigators were not at all convinced.

After the investigators job was over they were told not to discuss anything of the event with there families because of national security.
Something did indeed happen that night in September of 1970 and still remains a mystery to this very day.

Written and Researched by Sam Willey


www.ufodigest.com...

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Here is what Nick Pope said about that case.


Published Date: 26 March 2009
UFO expert Nick Pope spoke to the Leader this week
By Gemma Gadd.

Another section of the archives refers to an incident from 1970 in which US pilot captain William Schaffner from RAF Binbrook, died after supposedly being scrambled to intercept a UFO.
Newspapers revived the mystery in 1992 after an anonymous RAF 'source' claimed the pilot's aircraft crashed into the North Sea after a mid-air encounter with a bright conical object.

When the F6 plane was recovered from the water the cockpit was closed, but the pilot was not inside.
The mysterious circumstances of Schaffner's death fuelled speculation amongst ufologists the MOD was covering up an alien abduction.
A transcript purporting to be the pilot's last conversation with the RAF station was revealed by the anonymous 'source' appearing to confirm the UFO theory.

This has been revealed as a hoax as the newly released MOD files include the official transcript and the RAF accident report. This states Schaffner was involved in a training exercise that went wrong when he 'inadvertently flew his aircraft into the sea.'

Nick Pope said: "I was the person who investigated the allegations of a UFO connection when they first surfaced. I obtained the original report and satisfied myself that such allegations were false.

"I met Capt Schaffner's sons a few years ago and talked them through the circumstances of the accident. They had been extremely upset at the unfounded rumours surrounding the death of their father and were grateful to the MOD for their openness in helping answer their questions concerning his death."

The mystery over the pilot's disappearance remains to this day as his body has never been found.


www.ufocasebook.com...

More.

en.wikipedia.org...

Also interesting.

www.bbc.co.uk...

I always enjoy your posts here buddy.

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posted on Feb, 1 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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Thanks for all the replies on this one and I think the BBC article makes some good points about the transcript - I also think Pimaner raises a good point about the Ministry of Defence already having claimed that the report on the crash was destroyed.



Secret documents and classified photographs of the RAF fighter have been exclusively obtained from the Ministry of Defence by the BBC’s Inside Out team.

The following will finally give the brothers the information they desire and deserve:

A copy of the inquiry report

A transcript of the Captain's final conversation with ground controllers

Pictures showing the aircraft’s empty cockpit

The inquiry report makes the following points:

It was not a UFO but a slow moving Shackleton recconaissance aircraft that the Captain was trying to intercept on an exercise
Its crew had lost radio contact. Then, by the light of a flare, they’d seen the aircraft in the water.
The Captain had simply flown too low trying to get beneath his target and hit the sea.
Captain Schaffner had not been properly trained to carry out the exercise he had been asked to undertake.
When he tried to bail out, his ejector seat failed to operate.

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Cheers.



posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 04:51 AM
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Hi but I have to say that your post is an example of cherry picking information and presenting it out of context to support a particular opinion.

For example your post reads that the plane was recovered and several instruments were missing plus the ejector seat was of a different type. Your post insinuates that this was the state of the plane when it was initially recovered.

That is not the case, these were statements from a crash investigation team after inspecting the aircraft at a later date. You can allude to some kind of a conspiracy as to why instruments were removed and the seat may have been changed but not to some "supernatural" reason.

More than likely the RAF were under some pressure to provide answers to the USAF, such as why instruments malfunctioned and the pilot hadn't been instructed to eject rather than ditch (there are a few cases of faulty ejector seats in Lightnings).



posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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Full credit to the OP for the title change



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