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Social Justice: The Great Life Swap According To Van Jones

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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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If possible, would you be willing to write your life on a slip of paper, drop it in a pile with everyone else's life, mix it up, and pull another's life out to take as your own? Would you expect to have a good life if you did so? Should you expect to have a good life by doing so?

Social Justice The Great Life Swap: By Van Jones
www.youtube.com...

I think this man, and those like him, have lost touch with reality. What say you?




posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Quadrivium
If possible, would you be willing to write your life on a slip of paper, drop it in a pile with everyone else's life, mix it up, and pull another's life out to take as your own? Would you expect to have a good life if you did so? Should you expect to have a good life by doing so?

Social Justice The Great Life Swap: By Van Jones
www.youtube.com...

I think this man, and those like him, have lost touch with reality. What say you?


I don't think he was ever in the land of reality; so glad he's not an advisor to the President anymore....

While I too would like to live in a land where skittles fell from the sky in rainbows I don't think this will ever be the case.

There are # holes on the earth; I have been to many of them - Haiti, Sudan, Chad, Somalia, etc... Life is unfair; it sucks to be born in a place where no food grows but it is not the rest of the world’s responsibility to take care of the people there.

The people who continue to procreate when they have no means to support the offspring deserve to watch them suffer and die if only to serve as a lesson that sex and babies in a # hole = pain. Pro-tip food does not grow well in sand.

Van and his tribe are after teh idea that we heer in the US should sacrifcie our livestyle so that the people in these places and have better lives.

I saw nothing but suffering, ignorance and thugery.

Suffering of the under classes and uneducated.

Ignorance of how to grow food in the environment in which they live and somehow they can't comprehend that sex=babies that you can't feed.

Then thugery from the people with guns who take the aid we do send then sell it to the underclass’s in exchange for their political support.

I say in these areas we cut off all aid and let the region find its equilibrium between population and food. Once they are stable then start to educate and assist.

Until then it’s like feeding stray cats; you do it from the heart but the more you feed the more come round soon they start reproducing because now instead of looking for food they have time for reproduction.

Now if you ever stop feeding them they will start fighting over the food and tearing the place apart looking for their disappeared source of food.

That is the problem we create when we buzz in with aid; we upset the local equilibrium between the land and the people.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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I totally agree with you. I heard the Pres. during the SOTU address speak of freezing domestic spending. How about freezing foreign spending as well? How much do we send over seas? Is it really helping anyone? From what I see we have more people that hate America now than ever before.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Van Jones and his kind believe in 100% nurture over nature and if we could create the perfect society, we would create perfect people … basically the essence of scientific socialism.

But I think deep down inside we all know that life is what you make of it.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Van Jones is trying to sell communism to unsuspecting children.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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A very bad combination of dangerous, ignorant, arrogant and stupid.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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The same Van Jones that was appointed by President Obama!! He is a dangerous man and likes to address those who are subject to easy manipulation. The man is flagrant about his beliefs and always has been. Makes you wonder how he ever got his short lived White House gig to begin with?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Hmmm............
The only way I could see what he is talking about working was if a way of life was ENFORCED by the Gooberment. Every aspect of ones life would have to be dictated and we would all, basically, have to be carbon copies of each other.
This sounds like a very dangerous individual.
edit on 27-1-2011 by Quadrivium because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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The more I think about this video and the countless others like it by so called "Progressives" the more I get worried about the state of affairs in this country. Do these people actually believe the crap they are spewing and if so how far are they willing to go to see their vision become reality?



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Quadrivium
If possible, would you be willing to write your life on a slip of paper, drop it in a pile with everyone else's life, mix it up, and pull another's life out to take as your own? Would you expect to have a good life if you did so? Should you expect to have a good life by doing so?

Social Justice The Great Life Swap: By Van Jones
www.youtube.com...

I think this man, and those like him, have lost touch with reality. What say you?


I think he is on his way to reality. I disagree with the notion that everybody must be equal, that is simply impossible, however he never stated this in the video. He clearly argued that people should be given equal chances in life, the video I see decided to edit that and make it about an equal outcome, but no where do I see him state this.

At the moment the United states like all others in this world holds a form of social justice whether you like to admit or not. Such programmes as medicare and medicaid, welfare, these programmes are in place. Some states like massachusetts have health programmes in place to cover citizens. These are essential programmes to millions of people despite some of their flaws. The removal of these programmes will result in millions of people being left out of the dark, and if this is what you view as a path towards a better free market society, you are joking yourself and your chances in getting somebody in power with that mentality.

Reagan is one good example of somebody who felt he could eliminate all social programmes. Came in with the mentality of the free market, of a society based on near anarchy for businesses for people. He thought he'd come in to DC and swoop out all the welfare folks and medicare-medicaid dependents, and what exactly happened? reagan had both republicans and democrats on his side, he won by a landslide in the 1980 elections against carter, so why didn't he finally rid these social justice programmes once and for all? Because he knew the consequences, because he knew he'd get a run for his money in the next elections if he dared move to completely end those programmes. Same with bush senior and Junior.

Here is social justice as defined below:


Fair and proper administration of laws conforming to the natural law that all persons, irrespective of ethnic origin, gender, possessions, race, religion, etc., are to be treated equally and without prejudice. See also civil rights.

www.businessdictionary.com...

From a literal conservative perspective, social justice seeks to make everybody equal in every aspect, but this is the scaremongering version of it. It gives folks an equal footing in order to earn the bare necessities. A man cannot work at the factory to feed his family if he cannot afford healthcare or if no healthcare insurance company will cover him and he is sick. A single mother of a child depends heavily on assistance from the government in the form of food stamps, of tax cuts. If not for the government, that child would be another statistic and in inevitably another cost, whether it be through the government's child and youth services or what not.

Social justice argues the necessity of assuring the bare essentials of life if civilization is to function. It argues that there will be an inevitable cost to society if we do not have these safety nets in place. It does not argue that everybody should be equal in outcome. John Ryan, one of the early advocates, was not a dumbass. He did not spend his time arguing why everybody should get the same amount of meat and milk, the man like many others who pushed for the theory, argued about opportunity.

This is why we have never seen a modern functioning country without some social programme in place. It has never existed and will never exist because it does not mix in with reality. Reagan, Nixon and Bush all thought they could come in and create a society without any need for these safety net programmes, but they found themselves against reality once they got into office.

And yes, redistribution of wealth is inevitable in any society. Money will always be distributed through to the public, even through the most free market, unless government is completely eliminated. Nobody here can talk about a modern relatively successful functioning nation where government is limited to enforcing laws. It has never been successfully established despite efforts from the rightwing time and time again.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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Sorry SG, that does not cut it. Most of the "social justice" programs you mentioned are nothing more than a way for the government to enslave people. They are entitlement programs and there is very little "fair" about them. I just got done working a 7 day (12-16 hours per day) stretch. I do what I MUST to provide for MY family. So tomorrow when I go to the grocery store I can get behind some one at the register and watch them pull out their EBT card, then load all those Groceries into a 2011 Cadillac.
These programs hold many more people back than they actually help. What your putting forth in your post just does not cut it in the real world. It is a nice "thought" but it has been perverted, manipulated, and taken advantage of. And it will not change. That is the one point you were making in your post that I do agree with. Reagan would not attempt it because it would of meant the end of his career. You have many more politicians who support them because they know it will make theirs. They don't care if these programs help or hurt as long as they get the votes.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 02:22 AM
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If you have any doubts (and a VERY strong stomach), stop by Daily Kos, Crooks & Liars or any of the lefty blogs. A few of us realized pre John Kerry for prez that they were condoning the Patriot Act et al because they were literally salivating for the day when that power would be theirs. And Wham it was.
To wit, the "waivers" for Obamacare that are being awarded to their friends and supporters in the unions and the corporate world. If they were on the level, would they need to do that? No. They'd be feeding them the same bs they're feeding us. The same is true with all the DHS stuff while our southern border stands wide open with a WELCOME sign flashing above it.

They are the "chosen ones", the "enlightened", the ones they have been waiting for, as they say. The rest of us who work for a living exist solely to fund their "social justice". It isn't "on the table" for the worker bees. It would be very helpful if we would cheerfully hand over our rights, STFU and take our medicine (according to them).



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Well said DDD, thank you for responding.



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