Is Homophobia Natural?

A gay pushing his agenda is no different to any other form of indoctrination! I have tolerated it through my years but of late the homosexual agenda of targeting youth through television, music and teen mags is not only unacceptable but should be dealt with in courts.

reply to post by lestweforget

You're just looking to get a rise out of someone, aren't you?

If you'll pardon the expression.

reply to post by lestweforget


You mean it's becoming more socially acceptable and understood, and people are finally free to express themselves and their sexuality.

You are attracted to who you are attracted to (although not acceptable in the case of pedo's) , end of story, thankfully people who think like you are now the minority.

Welcome to the 21st century, please leave your bigotry behind at the front gate, thankyou.

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Its not natural, you do not see animals turning on gay animals, do you?

I haven't read this entire thread so I apologize if this has been said.

Being homophobic, in my opinion, is just as bad as being racist and sexist. You are judging someone for living their life under circumstances beyond their control. A woman cannot help being born a woman. A black person cannot help being born black. And a gay cannot help being born gay.

Calling homosexuality a choice is the same as calling heterosexuality a choice. I don't know any straight male friends of mine who would suddenly choose to have sex with a man one day. People are attracted to who they are attracted to.

If we have learned anything from history it should be that minorities are just as valid as the majority and should be treated equally.

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Media isn't forcing it upon anyone, if you dont like it change the channel or don't read it, In my opinion its education those who don't understand, and also further steps for social acceptance. I mean, its not like its porn or anything.......

Edit: And why do you think it should be dealt with in Courts?

In my mind I see and hear about religion all the time, but it really doesn't bother or effect me, just because I don't follow or believe, doesn't mean I take it personally.

Being afraid of gay people and not caring about gay people both have the same impact on your ability to continue the species. There's no evolutionary basis to support homophobia.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I actually witnessed how someone became a homophobe over a 10-year span. There would be family visits. Back when he was a 20 year old he would crack jokes about homosexuals. Nobody minded. It all seemed light-hearted.

5 years later the jokes had turned into political rants against homosexuals. I attributed it to him being unemployed since years and his life going downhill overall. By this time I am no longer laughing with him when he talks about homosexuals. Im concerned and openly tell his relatives so. For this they kick me out of their house.

Another 5 years later he still has not found any employment. Instead he is currently in jail for violent assault. Guess who the victim was? A homosexual.

From this experience it sure looked like an emotional problem.

riiight suuuuure and I'm guessing you're some sort of shrink that has the answer to everyone's unique behavior, and butts into the personal lives of other people because you think you know every aspect of the human mind.

With all the gay threads of late thought id "drag" this one "out of the closet".
Bump!

The way homosexuality in the media is portrayed, it seems as though they're not just after tolerance, but a blessing, and if you don't grant one then you're an ignorant homophobe. I find this is offensive and see a huge double standard in what constitutes as bigotry. I have no intention of beating or slandering gays, but I find their lifestyle choice (and I believe it is a choice) repulsive.

Is homophobia natural? Well...I'd be wary of a known violent criminal for fear of what grotesque acts he might want to conduct against me and the same goes for homosexuals. I'm not comfortable with cheeky little sideways glances from men; or having to share changing rooms with homosexuals; or having to wonder whether the bloke I've just met in the pub is just someone I get on with or whether he is only laughing at my jokes because he wants to have sex with me.

Homophobiaphobia is disgusting and ignorant - we should stamp this ignorance out!

Homophobia is by definitions "the irrational fear of gay/lesbian people". It is by definition "irrational". Hence, unnatural. I'll do some more research, but this is my initial analysis. Also, from work with children as a teacher I have noticed that young children to not exhibit this type of behavior (as well as others such as racism, sexism, aversion to differences) as adults and older children do. So this confirms to me that this behavior is learned, and most likely as children grow older, they are passed on different values from their parents, which, unfortunately includes the repugnant ones, like homophobia and gay bashing. Thus we get a lot of gay bullying as children age that would seem to be a reflection of their parents own bigotry and irrational fears.

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Yes, it is natural for people to be condescending over other people, and
it happened like this since centuries. When gays are finally accepted, it will
be something else. You can hardly ever get rid of assholism. There is a Gaddaffi
in every man.

This said, it is also natural to develop better morals because that creates less
tensions and this is more protective to life, or at least social equilibrium.



Lestweforget says:
"A gay pushing his agenda is no different to any other form of indoctrination!"

Tell me a part of your life that hasn't been indoctrinated?
Times they are a-changing. Children of tomorrow will receive
different indoctrinations with different values, and I'm afraid
one of them will be that being gay is fine, unless one day
the street gangs with their passeist agendas take power
and return to older models, but there is already gangster
gay porn so maybe I'm wrong about that.

Originally posted by ledzeppelin489
I believe that homosexuality is natural; nature cognitively, so to speak, recognizes population overflow, and thus creates a deterrent for procreation. However, I think homophobia is just plain ignorance and stupidity. Homophobes=morons

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Started a thread based on that topic the other day
Homosexuality natures form of pop. control

Now back on topic, I agree with what the first poster said. I too believe that people who hold those ideas have had that idea thrust in their face all their life. I have a friend who's racist because his father was racist who's grandfather was racist. He had no actual reason for it other than "his dad was".

Originally posted by Vicky32

Contrary to a widely-held belief, there's no scientific proof of a genetic basis for homosexuality. It's a choice, people!

How is it a choice to have no attraction for the opposite sex?
Why would anyone chose to be discriminated against, used as fodder for religious hate and possibly be alienated by family and friends? In some countries, to be gay means the punishment is death, who would chose that?

Ever heard of 'Intersex' ?
This website may give you an idea of what it is you don't know. 1 out of 20,000 men have no Y Chromosome

I don't hate homosexuals, or fear them. I am in no position to oppress them, and wouldn't if I could.
But I certainly don't have to like them.

You probably like at least one gay guy out there and don't even know/realise he is gay.
So the Apostle Paul said that homosexual behavior is “against nature.” [Romans 1:26-27]
Well if they choose to have children then... No they aren't going against Nature.
If they choose to lead a gay lifestyle then by Paul's limited observations of 'against nature' would apply simply because he never observed any one of the hundreds of animals that partake in homosexual behaviours.
Are you going to make moral judgements on a pair of male Dolphins engaging in homosexual sex or the Lesbian lizards or the trans gender Clown-fish?
I'm pretty sure you liked the little Clownfish character in the movie Finding Nemo.

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
I'm not comfortable with cheeky little sideways glances from men; or having to share changing rooms with homosexuals; or having to wonder whether the bloke I've just met in the pub is just someone I get on with or whether he is only laughing at my jokes because he wants to have sex with me.

Congratulations !!! Now you know how many women feel about being in the company of some guys.
You never did this to females did you Robert? You know... had sexual thoughts about them as they walked past or were just being friendly to you !?
I can tell you it feels very much the same regardless of whether or not guys want to label their thoughts and behaviour as natural. Welcome to the feeling of intimidation. Unfortunately some people think that's a reason to hate.

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
The way homosexuality in the media is portrayed, it seems as though they're not just after tolerance, but a blessing, and if you don't grant one then you're an ignorant homophobe. I find this is offensive and see a huge double standard in what constitutes as bigotry. I have no intention of beating or slandering gays, but I find their lifestyle choice (and I believe it is a choice) repulsive.

Quoted for truth, I agree Robert!
It is a blessing they want and like you, I won't give it. I am not a homophobe, because the word is meaningless. I don't fear gay men, I just avoid them, and am glad to be able to do so.
V

Originally posted by LexiconV

Ever heard of 'Intersex' ?
This website may give you an idea of what it is you don't know. 1 out of 20,000 men have no Y Chromosome

Yes, I have heard of it, and your point is?

Originally posted by LexiconVYou probably like at least one gay guy out there and don't even know/realise he is gay.

You're kidding, right? The 'love that dare not speak its name' is the now 'the love that won't shut up'. I live in one of the most gay-friendly countries in the world. Members of Parliament (6 or 7 of them), TV stars, sports stars... there's no incentive to not be 'out' here. Among my own circle of friends, none are gay (now). BY which I mean I used to have gay men as friends. Why I don't now, I won't go into. Suffice it to say there are reasons.

Originally posted by LexiconV because he never observed any one of the hundreds of animals that partake in homosexual behaviours.
Are you going to make moral judgements on a pair of male Dolphins engaging in homosexual sex or the Lesbian lizards or the trans gender Clown-fish?
I'm pretty sure you liked the little Clownfish character in the movie Finding Nemo.

Your tortuous grammar makes it a bit difficult for me to fathom what it is you're on about, but no, there are not 'hundreds' of animals that partake in homosexual behaviours, there are a few. I've never seen Finding Nemo. By the time it came out, my sons were too old for it. Why would I want to watch a half-witted kid's cartoon, featuring solo Daddies what's more? (They're the lowest form of life)
V

Don't like and dont wish to know/understand/accept gay people.... well some good looking lesbians maybe!!

Murders and child molesters are also "born that way" and "can't help it" does that make them less disgusting??