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Originally posted by SiCkBoY
I know what your going to say about this, he’s just sick and wants another war, no that’s not the case, have you ever thought about it this way, that maybe if a few missile nations got together and fired their load at the States, took out the Government and all its hawks first (seen how that went) killed off a few other people (just to make it look good) there could be a turn around in the thoughts and mind of the American people, well it seemed to chill Japan out for some years, so why not?
America would try and fire back AaaaaaH! But wait!, what IF there was some insiders (like there was in 9/11) and they made it so that there was a coordinated effort to stop a response from the USA on the day of the great clean out. It might go down in history as the best thing that ever happened the world. I for one think it’s a great idea.
Originally posted by The Last Patriot
So your Irish ,Sickboy? Maybe England should nuke Ireland? probably calm those IRA guys down, wouldn't it?
As for the U.S. nuking Japan, if we hadn't, we would probably still be fighting them. Don't believe me? The fact that it took TWO nukes to get them to surrender should tell you something. After the first bomb, they still wanted to keep fighting. Dropping the bomb on Japan saved more lives than it ended. I can't believe people want to paint the U.S. as evil for using atomic weapons on Japan 60 years after the fact. It's just ignorant. If you had been alive in 1945, you would have been cheering yourself silly the day the sky lit up over Hiroshima. Most people just wanted the war(that we wanted no part of) to be over with. Japan got what it deserved for attacking Pearl Harbor.
Originally posted by The Last Patriot
As for the U.S. nuking Japan, if we hadn't, we would probably still be fighting them. Don't believe me? The fact that it took TWO nukes to get them to surrender should tell you something. After the first bomb, they still wanted to keep fighting. Dropping the bomb on Japan saved more lives than it ended. I can't believe people want to paint the U.S. as evil for using atomic weapons on Japan 60 years after the fact. It's just ignorant. If you had been alive in 1945, you would have been cheering yourself silly the day the sky lit up over Hiroshima. Most people just wanted the war(that we wanted no part of) to be over with. Japan got what it deserved for attacking Pearl Harbor.
Originally posted by The Last Patriot
So your Irish ,Sickboy? Maybe England should nuke Ireland? probably calm those IRA guys down, wouldn't it?
As for the U.S. nuking Japan, if we hadn't, we would probably still be fighting them. Don't believe me? The fact that it took TWO nukes to get them to surrender should tell you something. After the first bomb, they still wanted to keep fighting. Dropping the bomb on Japan saved more lives than it ended. I can't believe people want to paint the U.S. as evil for using atomic weapons on Japan 60 years after the fact. It's just ignorant. If you had been alive in 1945, you would have been cheering yourself silly the day the sky lit up over Hiroshima. Most people just wanted the war(that we wanted no part of) to be over with. Japan got what it deserved for attacking Pearl Harbor.
Originally posted by Eddie999
OK time for a history lesson. Firstly dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was enough to make the Japanese surrender. Another was used on Nagasaki as a warning to the Soviet Union. The US did it as a way of trying to convince th Soviet Union that they had many bombs and would use them if they had to. In a way, the people of Nagasaki were the first victims of the Cold War.
Secondly suggesting that you 'you would have been cheering yourself silly the day the sky lit up over Hiroshima' makes you sound very sadistic.
Originally posted by Eddie999
OK time for a history lesson. Firstly dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was enough to make the Japanese surrender. . . .
Futhermore, the only reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was becaus the US was starving it of oil.
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
The reason the US called bomb #2 "little boy" is because there wasn't enough material to build a full-sized device like the one that had been used August 6. The fact is that the Japanese were contacted by the Navy and asked to surrender on August 7. They refused.
from reference
It is very unlikely any more Little Boy-type bombs would have been used even if the war continued. Little Boy was very inefficient, and it required a large critical mass. If the U-235 were used in a Fat Man type bomb, the efficiency would have been increased by more than an order of magnitude. The smaller critical mass (15 kg) meant more bombs could be built. Oppenheimer suggested to Gen. Groves on July 19, 1945 (immediately after the Trinity test) that the U-235 from Little Boy be reworked into uranium/plutonium composite cores for making more implosion bombs (4 implosion bombs could be made from Little Boy's pit). Groves rejected the idea since it would delay combat use.
Originally posted by SiCkBoY
But that�s just it ShadowXIX, maybe if a good plan of action was put forward it might not get to that, I am sure there are loads of budding insiders in the USA right now just waiting for the opportunity to over through their 1930�s German Style Government, you seem to be real happy with it, which is just a reflection on your own being, a few good people on the inside to change a few minds is all it would take, okay, Take the JFK assassination, the insider powers to be on that day took the leader of the biggest (so called) free world out (in front of the people who put him into power)
For real think about that for one second now, HOW FREE do you think your country has been for all these years, every 4th of July after the leader of this free land was slaughtered on your streets, the American people just fly the flag and don�t worry about what happened, I hate to tell you, but, they took your free land and your rights away from you on that day, they took your rights as a free American away the day pearl harbour happened, and they have been taking your rights away from you ever since.. What did the American people do about it? Did the American people even know there was a coup d'�tat happening that day? did they care? THEREFORE! I conclude that in light of what has went on in the history of the (so called) biggest free democratic society in this world, how hard do you think it would be to stop the USA firing its load in retaliation to a strike on home soil.
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
Originally posted by Eddie999
OK time for a history lesson. Firstly dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was enough to make the Japanese surrender. . . .
Futhermore, the only reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was becaus the US was starving it of oil.
No, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was NOT enought to make Japan surrender. It didn't. It is you who are in need of the history lesson. The Japanese expected they could kill a million Americans in the beach assault that would begin an invasion. THey believed a million casualties could tip the balance back in their favor.
The "real reason" for the second bomb was that the Japanese knew enough about atomic theory to realize that refinining uranium takes thousands of itirations to produce enough fissile material. The Japanese command did not believe America had enough material for a second bomb.
The reason the US called bomb #2 "little boy" is because there wasn't enough material to build a full-sized device like the one that had been used August 6. The fact is that the Japanese were contacted by the Navy and asked to surrender on August 7. They refused.
As for the US "starving" Japan of oil, that is purely Japanese propoganda for the rape of Manchuria and Indonesia. Japan had robbed it's neighbors of enough oil producing land to provide for its domestic needs for a generation.
America didn't place an oil embargo on Japan until after the annexation of Manchuria. What, are you saying embargoes don't work? That sounds like Bush talking.
Are you saying that the need for oil is a causus bellae, a legitimate ground for imperialism? Are you saying that Japan's need for oil justified it's global aggression????
Isn't that rationalization exactly what you are accusing America of?
The fact is, you are just Anti-American. America will not be "good" until is ceases to exist, apparently.
SiCkBoY, i must admit something of the same nature has crossed my mind. I would only request that you consider a small tactical nuke that would take out congress while in session and the whitehouse with a minimum of collateral damage.
Originally posted by SiCkBoY
Perfect, a tactical nuke in the right place at the right time.
Many might see my words as very Anti-American, but I don�t hate Americans, that�s not what I am about, its gone to far in the USA now, Bush and his administration have pulled the blinkers over the peoples eyes and are doing what they wish. I know there are good smart people in the USA that want to see the same as I do, ok maybe not in the form of a nuke, but they do wish to see the back of the current administration and the �sick� things it is doing on its people. Its only going to get worse.
No, nuking the US will only make it worse. You hate our administration right now. That's fine. Who cares? But how will killing them and nuking the US make things better? You still have not explained. From your posts it seems you're against the bombing of Japan who we were at war with, but yet you are advocating an unprovoked nuclear attack on us. Like the rest of your posts on this thread, that makes no sense. And please stop saying you're not anti American. You're not sounding intelligent when you say that (and I'm sure you're not saying that with a straight face). You are. Otherwise why post this nonsense? Why do you care what goes on over here? It's really none of your business. Advocating the deaths of millions of Americans for nothing certainly doesn't make you pro American. Many here on ATS would die if you get your wish, and I can picture you now sitting back laughing saying "That's what they get!"
Originally posted by SiCkBoY
Look Fool
Who cares? The Fathers and Mothers of the Children that were slaughtered when the not so smart bombs ripped them apart, I also care as do A LOT of TRUE American people.
�How will killing them and nuking the US make things better? You still have not explained�
Are you blind? Getting rid of your Government and people like you.
Unprovoked! Jesus H-Christ man, thats a joke! lol (you are joking right?)What�s good for one . . . bla bla, ect ect
Its your Government so you do something about it and stop shutting your eyes, your weak and it makes me sick to see, what�s it got to do with me? World Order, that�s what. Stop starting wars around this world, it belongs to us all, get your # together Mr America.