Dugway Army Base On Lockdown

reply to post by harrytuttle


Also, I'd like to show you examples of your "bad researching" and why I said you were jumping the gun.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
That Twitter post & account had to be real - because when I viewed her tweets before they deleted the account, her last previous post was on January 5 of this year. So it was a real person, not a "fake" account. And she looked to be about that age of being in the military.

Harry, was this the point I was supposed to say the story was 100% fact like you do here? Before any looking into internet history of the girl, and based only on the fact that the twitter account existed and looked "old enough" to be in the military?

Originally posted by harrytuttle

She looks a LOT like the girl I saw in the Twitter profile picture - even wears her hats similarly.

Or here?

Like I said...before you even checked her other informations online, you already were sold on the entire story. This time you were lucky enough to be right (unluckily)...but if you don't see error in assuming tweets as facts and not seeing "waiting for confirmation" as wise- well then...good luck out there.

I for one am very glad I didn't jump on the little band wagon of believing a tweet before there was even a reason to do so...well, other than "she wears hats a way" and "she looked to be old enough to be in the military".

Like I said...this time you were right...and I salute you for your research (again), but if you are going to call "100% facts" based on tweets in the future at every conspiracy unfolding...I assure you...you won't be right every time.

Its my job to be right every time when I put my 100% stamp on it.

And to tell you the very truth, even NOW I can't say that this story is 100% factual. But the news is much more believable now than it was after hearing "hats and tweets".

If you get me.

MM

Originally posted by jaynkeel
www.bbc.co.uk...

An estimated 1,200 to 1,400 people were locked inside the Dugway Proving Ground for several hours after a quarter of a teaspoon of VX nerve agent was reported missing. Officials said no-one was hurt and no damage reported. Base officials said the nerve agent had been found early on Thursday. Officials planned a news conference on Thursday afternoon. The primary mission for the Dugway Proving Ground, which is located about 85 miles (135km) south-west of Salt Lake City, is defending troops against biological and chemical attacks.

That's news to me. I never hear that DPG was "defending troops against NBC attacks".
Sounds like the media is out there making up their own stories again.

reply to post by theartistchick

Way to go! You have nothing to worry about - but your work definitely prevented the US Gov't from shutting the lid tight on this one. By making that screengrab, you got the internet's foot-in-the-door, and oh Boy! did we kick it in.

They US Army made the correct move in not trying to lay down a cover story, and just rolling with the VX Nerve Gas story that they knew was already out on the internet. Whether everything is truly "safe now" is a different story as they may not have found it. Who knows.

reply to post by Mr Mask

Mr. Mask, let your ego give it a rest, would ya?

You can twist and contort things around any which way you want to in an attempt to make yourself look better and make me look worse, but at the end of the day, it was YOU who said that you'd be "eating crow" for the things you said.

So eat your crow already.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11

Originally posted by jaynkeel
www.bbc.co.uk...

An estimated 1,200 to 1,400 people were locked inside the Dugway Proving Ground for several hours after a quarter of a teaspoon of VX nerve agent was reported missing. Officials said no-one was hurt and no damage reported. Base officials said the nerve agent had been found early on Thursday. Officials planned a news conference on Thursday afternoon. The primary mission for the Dugway Proving Ground, which is located about 85 miles (135km) south-west of Salt Lake City, is defending troops against biological and chemical attacks.

That's news to me. I never hear that DPG was "defending troops against NBC attacks".
Sounds like the media is out there making up their own stories again.

As usual...



Hell the doomers might be right.. zombies are out there.. if we have to rely on the MSM getting something right we're screwed.

Press conferance coming up on fox in 3 min.

reply to post by Stupe


Well your probably not very good at it then!

Most of the guys on my team were. I think we had one or two gazelles also (track & field).

reply to post by shagula


That Pregnant Woman being air lifted seems too coincidental. WW2, Enloa Gay and her "little boy". Who ever suggested that this current pregnant woman is code, I don't doubt you at all. Keep up the great work.

poor poor Ashley... man, shes in it deep now huh?

still wondering how or why she was the only one out of anywhere between 1000 to 2000 people locked in that place to get a message out... thought they jammed all signals...

Originally posted by harrytuttle
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Mr. Mask, let your ego give it a rest, would ya?

Sigh...yeah, that's what it is...ego.

And can you tell me how you proved this all again when you took the info from another conspiracy site and two other ATS posters here?

You can twist and contort things around any which way you want to in an attempt to make yourself look better and make me look worse, but at the end of the day, it was YOU who said that you'd be "eating crow" for the things you said.

So eat your crow already.

I am not twisting anything. I have stated where I saw bad research done...and will continue to do so.

You were right, and I never said you were wrong. I said that nothing was proven...and it wasn't. It still isn't, but at least its confirmed by the mainstream.

Again...if you think trusting one tweet online, based on a hat and account date, is proper research- we do not agree.

But like I said...you were right. The ATS team did the work and I have to admit I am shocked.

Good thing for my own credibility I never said the tweet was fictional. But I am sure you will continue to act as if I did.

Will you also continue to act like it was "good research skills" to 100% believe the tweet based on checking a twitter account and seeing a lady wear a hat?

I hope not.

MM

I gotta say that I love it when ATS is proven right time and again. The amount of brilliant minds here never ceases to amaze me, thanks for everyones awesome work put into this case, we should start doing cold cases here I am sure between most of us we could solve quite a few.

Originally posted by 2012DragonSlayer
poor poor Ashley... man, shes in it deep now huh?

still wondering how or why she was the only one out of anywhere between 1000 to 2000 people locked in that place to get a message out... thought they jammed all signals...

From what I read.. there were folks in their cars. They confiscate cells before you get in the buildings n our installation and have done that since cells were used by the public. Just speculation.. she could tweet from her phone in her car.
She screwed herself though.. I agree with that.

I find the car story hard to believe though.. maybe for a period of time while being searched,she'dhave time to tweet, but not for 10 hours. WHen we have been on lockdown here or security is heightened it may take several hours to search all of the vehicles at the gates.. and this happened when folks were going home if we can believe the times we're hearing now.

reply to post by jumpingbeanz

Whats a biological place? A Bird? Bat?

Originally posted by Mr Mask


And can you tell me how you proved this all again when you took the info from another conspiracy site and two other ATS posters here?



MM

edit on 27-1-2011 by Mr Mask because: (no reason given)

Yeah, I noticed a few "fact" and theory posts lifted from GLP... when I googled the base lockdown GLP was within the first 10 entries made before several of these posts were made here. I dont usually bother to look to see if people are swiping junk and claiming its their own, but it just popped up unexpectedly this time.

reply to post by TheBirdisDone


That is an interesting story. They need to keep people serious at these facilities and w/o the possibility of extortion. Wife swapping, internet child porn (which they recently found all over military bases in an international bust) and other lowly character displays by officers and personnel open to all kinds of foreign "honeypot" mischief. It is amazing they fired them all and immediately replaced them all like that.

Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by TheBirdisDone

 

That is an interesting story. They need to keep people serious at these facilities and w/o the possibility of extortion. Wife swapping, internet child porn (which they recently found all over military bases in an international bust) and other lowly character displays by officers and personnel open to all kinds of foreign "honeypot" mischief. It is amazing they fired them all and immediately replaced them all like that.

Theyre human and many act like morons.. we have a trial going on right now at the base...

The 27-year Air Force veteran pleaded guilty Monday to 13 counts, many involving alleged sexual misconduct with Air Force women. Those counts carry a possible 14 years in prison.

Someone should have issued him a blow up doll with his equipment..

reply to post by crashbehr


When I was in if something in a controlled area as this may be if something is not in an assigned location and it is not signed out a lock down is performed and a sweep of the facility will follow. If the item in question is not found then the # hits the fan and every stone is turned until it turns up following a extremely invasive debrief.

If the items are not located they can only report it up the chain of command once the item is determing lost or missing the search and investigation continues all the way up the chain of command.

Eventually someone will fess up and the item will be found. If not someone will be held accountable and fired and possibly prosecuted.

My 2 pennies
RB

reply to post by boondock-saint

Additionally on the Code Talkers, many were trained here in Wendover, Utah. Just a tad over 30 miles from Dugway. Not hard to imagine they could, would use such code.

I tell ya, ever since I first saw this, the book "The Stand" and it's made for TV movie came to mind. If I remember correctly it began very much like what happened earlier without (that we know of) the gruesome phlegm coughing deaths on the base like in the book.

Originally posted by TheBirdisDone
reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11

 

Guys I worked with went to this base -out there - and said it was a very strange place. They referred to it as that weird place up past Salt Lake, I am not sure why some of our guys would go out there. I wonder where they "found" the missing agent? From 5:30pm - 3:00am where was it? I find it interesting people slept in their cars in Northern Utah in Jan. They must have been locked out of of offices too, and not just locked down on base. People out there probably don't even know what is going on. I've seen something like that before - I arrived at work one day to find a truck backed up and parked in front of the supply office, inside an Air Craft Hanger - on purpose because the doors opened out, the guys that worked there were white as sheets coming in that day to discover they couldn't get in their office. Nobody knew what the heck was going on, or what exactly went down. Rumors of course. We still don't know what happened. The guys that worked there - were totally removed from the base later that day.
This happened shortly after I checked into that unit. The day I checked in the Squadron was full of Security Forces escorting all the Officer Staff out - they had all been fired (re-assigned) in one day. It was a wild scene of stern looking people leaving with copy paper boxes full of their junk, their I Love me wall crap - as I made my way around with my check in sheet. The next day - all new officers came in from all over to fill the slots and the unit didn't even miss a mission day. It was the wildest thing I ever witnessed in my career. The basic story although we'll never know for sure involved theft of government property and porn and wife swapping stories. Oh and unauthorized use of Air Craft to fly to football games as such. But none of us really know. All those busted that still talked told different tales. So chances are very good many people ON THIS base won't know what happened either, yeah we'll get a press release but it will be only PART of the story.

edit on 27-1-2011 by TheBirdisDone because: (no reason given)

Yeah this is believable. Likely there was no report as to what was the cause of the lockdown. They wouldn't want to give out that intel just in case there was an actual breach.

People disappearing (transfered) with no story being told is also completely believable. Then there would be an extensive investigation and the story would likely never be told. You no days have to rely on people to tweet or use wikkilks to report anything. As long as the intel is accurate I don't mind this too much. But you can imagine how easily things can get blown out of proportion.

On the side of the military, you don't like this to get out NOT because of bad press but because these type events point out holes or lapses in security or safe handling of weaponry. This intel I assure you is already in the hands of foreign agents. I didn't see that DPG was all that secure in the first place. I truly hope that the NBC facility is well locked down. My assumption is that it is. But, you would definitely want a better security perimeter for such items.

I personally would not condone any use of chem or bio weapons regardless of the scenario. These are truly doomsday devices. The things you learn in the military about these things is shocking to the most hardened troopers. I would not wish that on my enemy even. But hey we have the privilege of having honor in the US military and serving honorably. Foreign troopers don't always have that going for them as displayed by Saddam's willingness to attack with chem/bio weapons. The scary thing is the psychology of the person willing to actually unleash these things. They don't target military targets they target everything. The largest targets are always the civilian population which is unforgivable.