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Dugway Army Base On Lockdown

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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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And if you believe the missing VX nerve gas story than I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you.
Let's face it, we'll never know the real reason for the lock down.

I have heard through the grapevine that dugway just started testing about a week ago a 4th generation Q-Heisenberg reactor type propulsion system there. Way more advanced than your standard anti gravitic propulsion systems Ben Rich has spoken of. Capable of superluminal 'velocites' via phasing out of this quantum frequency - mass drops to almost 0 type of thing.

How this fits into this story or if its even related I have no idea. Just thought I'd throw that out there.




Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by ayoss

BREAKING NEWS: Dugway Army base was locked down due a vial of VX nerve agent missing, was found at 3 a.m., more to come on fox13now.com

- @Fox13Now

It must have been a pucker moment when it was "misplaced". I can only imagine whats going to happen to the person who misplaced it. I figured that it wasnt really stolen and released if it WAS vx.. the base woudl still be locked down IMO and no one would be allowed on to be exposed to it. Old Dugs is really racking up the mishaps..



Amazingly ol Ashley told the truth.. and is about to pay for it.


Actually it doesnt trump the sheep fiasco.. this was never released and was misplaced.. I had to edit..
I know of a base that "misplaced" anthrax.. and it was removed from the base and used. I think we all know of it by now. It being misplaced doesnt mean stolen..
edit on 27-1-2011 by Advantage because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
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You got the feel for it right. Total waste land. Good training grounds for spec ops which is why I was there.

2-3000 almost sounds like too much. I can pretty much guarantee that number if accurate includes contractors.
You will have issues trying to pin down actual numbers there. It seemed that there were very few actual personnel stationed there. My perception was that there are always operational training going on from all over the place. Foreign military as well. This place looked like there were more people TDY for training than actual stationed there.
On any given week there can be tons of military all over, then you'll see nothing. Lots of guys come in via parachute and train for however long then jump on a C-130 and go back where they came from. Rinse and repeat. Then you have the civilians with new R&D prototypes out there either testing their equipment or demonstrating their capabilities to spec ops or demonstrating during a spec ops training mission etc...


Speaking of foreign military here for training.. or special ogling the local teenagers ops.. thats something that has totally exploded at the base the husband works at now. I mean they come in by the hundreds... and this isnt a usual base youd see any real ops training of any kind. Ive never seen it at this high of a level in our entire lives being on bases everywhere. Pretty weird. Im going to freak out myself if I see a ton of UN guys stumbling around like I do other mil..



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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Well I agree with our first statment. You never know what really happened there. BUT...BUT....If I were to cover something up I WOULD NOT use losing a VX container as the cover. That is so scary that would never be a cover story. Seems more likely to be true than a cover. If it is a cover imagine how scary the actual event is!?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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And if you believe the missing VX nerve gas story than I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you.
Let's face it, we'll never know the real reason for the lock down.


Wow...it must be hard living your life being so paranoid. What story would you have accepted?

I really think that whenever something like this happens...the government should come out and say "We had a brief battle with an alien entity...no one was killed...but it got away again."

At least that would satisfy you guys...you guys are almost begging to be fed disinformation.


I have heard through the grapevine that dugway just started testing about a week ago a 4th generation Q-Heisenberg reactor type propulsion system there. Way more advanced than your standard anti gravitic propulsion systems Ben Rich has spoken of. Capable of superluminal 'velocites' via phasing out of this quantum frequency - mass drops to almost 0 type of thing.


So a vial of VX can't possibly be the cause....but maybe this....



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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At the end of the day, the conclusions I came to were 100% correct. The Tweet about VX Gas was REAL because I could PROVE that the person who Tweeted was a US Army Testing Engineer named Ashley Pallotta.

Mr. Mask, ATS is not a court of law. It's a website. You scorned us as bad "ATS researchers", but at least somebody actually did the research and reached the correct conclusions, WITH EVIDENCE.

For what ever poor reasoning, you not only decided to not listen to the evidence, but you actively and persistently tried to persuade people it was wrong.

You should just go ahead and turn in your ATS card now for encouraging ignorance in the face of those who were actively denying ignorance.



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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie

And if you believe the missing VX nerve gas story than I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you.
Let's face it, we'll never know the real reason for the lock down.

I have heard through the grapevine that dugway just started testing about a week ago a 4th generation Q-Heisenberg reactor type propulsion system there. Way more advanced than your standard anti gravitic propulsion systems Ben Rich has spoken of. Capable of superluminal 'velocites' via phasing out of this quantum frequency - mass drops to almost 0 type of thing.

How this fits into this story or if its even related I have no idea. Just thought I'd throw that out there.





Yeah.. the reverse engineering of alien technology at Dugs is a pretty common rumor. People.. mil included.. say that they test some wild stuff in the wastelands there. Its an interesting conspiracy.. truthfully. But IMO I will buy this story.. if youve spent any time in the mil or DoD you KNOW for a fact that garbage like this happens all too often. Like I said, we've had 4 lockdowns in 5 years and no one here was screaming about it.. and ours handles things that are pretty sensitive. During the base closings this particular base was ( stupidly) used to lump several extremely sensitive areas of govt in one spot. Go figure.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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can anyone remember what happened a few weeks ago with the former national security advisor of R.Regan & G.Bush Sr? walking arround partly clothed "spouting garbage & in a confused/dissorientated state" just before dropping dead.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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Yes, harry, that was a great find...and right on the money as well as what we do here! Vindication is sweet.

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Yeah...that's concerning, isn't it? All things are connected...



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
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Well I agree with our first statment. You never know what really happened there. BUT...BUT....If I were to cover something up I WOULD NOT use losing a VX container as the cover. That is so scary that would never be a cover story. Seems more likely to be true than a cover. If it is a cover imagine how scary the actual event is!?



I was thinking the same thing... that if the VX nerve gas is the cover story, than what could the real reason possibly be. believe me, I have heard of some pretty crazy things going on, that if the public were aware of, would cause mass panic.

I must admit a lot of cover stories are pretty see through. But I think VX nerve gas going missing is actually a plausible BELIEVABLE cover story for locking down a base. Either this is the real cause or they are getting better at coming up with cover stories


But even though its plausible, my gut instinct tells me this isn't the truth. our mil/gov is so use to lying in these situations that it is standard protocol now... and I can't disagree with this, why tip your hand about ANYTHING to your enemies.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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How does one misplace a vial of VX and where exactly the hell was it that had them searching around for 10 plus hours?

It's not like misplacing your car keys, phone, wallet, even your car in a very large carpark.

There's Faaaaaar to much scope for human error messing about with these sorts of things.
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by harrytuttle
At the end of the day, the conclusions I came to were 100% correct. The Tweet about VX Gas was REAL because I could PROVE that the person who Tweeted was a US Army Testing Engineer named Ashley Pallotta.


its real because you could prove the person who tweeted was a US Army Test Engineer?
ever heard of lying? of course our mil/gov would NEVER do a thing like that



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
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Well I agree with our first statment. You never know what really happened there. BUT...BUT....If I were to cover something up I WOULD NOT use losing a VX container as the cover. That is so scary that would never be a cover story. Seems more likely to be true than a cover. If it is a cover imagine how scary the actual event is!?


No joke!

The problem is that that misplacing something is a completely different animal that it being stolen, removed from the base and poofed around on everyone initiating the zombie apocalypse. This whole thing fell in between the doomers and us that enjoy exercising caution. In fact, this was not a 4 alarm doom emergency.

Id said earlier about VX being kept in a small amount and viscous state like motor oil for testing to prevent REAL accidents.. it was in the Chemical weapons convention. Im guessing that if it were to be stolen it would be really no good for an actual aerosol or nerve gas weapon. Though I agree with the above poster.. its probably why they brought food in.

You want to see me become an instant hysterical doomer.. mention "stolen" and "Fort Detrick" in the same sentence!



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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I have heard of some pretty crazy things going on, that if the public were aware of, would cause mass panic.



Really??? Like what? Please enlighten us.


Or are we not "ready" to hear these crazy things?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by skitzspiricy
How does one misplace a vial of VX and where exactly the hell was it that had them searching around for 10 plus hours?

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edit on 27-1-2011 by skitzspiricy because: (no reason given)


They found whatever was lost in 20 minutes and took the rest of the time figuring up a way to cover their collective asses and get a story together? Perhaps?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by skitzspiricy
How does one misplace a vial of VX and where exactly the hell was it that had them searching around for 10 plus hours?

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edit on 27-1-2011 by skitzspiricy because: (no reason given)


They found whatever was lost in 20 minutes and took the rest of the time figuring up a way to cover their collective asses and get a story together? Perhaps?


I could very well believe that scenario.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I have heard of some pretty crazy things going on, that if the public were aware of, would cause mass panic.



Really??? Like what? Please enlighten us.


Or are we not "ready" to hear these crazy things?


I know one. That some very sensitive military computers concerning sipr, nipr, amc,transcom, and etc.. all run Windows Vista. That should send everyone into a panic.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Awesome investigative reporting on behalf of ATS members!!
I have been following this thread since late last night (est).
One of the reasons I enjoy coming to ATS is the fact that breaking news is covered here before it hits msm.

The investigational skills, along with the high level of intellect, had this case laid out across the table with every possible reasonable conclusion of what was going on at the time of the lockdown before most people even heard the mention of it.

The fact that the tweet from the twitter feed was picked up and then linked to other accounts helped prove its validity. Then the subsequent account shutdowns also made for some high drama. There is no telling how scenarios like this would play out if people who cared weren`t actually paying attention.

Good job ATS members, Good Job!



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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lets order Chinese....
vx gas would be a good cover for zombies just sayin
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by ahimsa
Don't mind me, I'm just getting irritated by the posts of people only seeing the worse in our country and especially our military.


Well maybe that is because people are seeing the worst of things like law enforcement etc. Police tasering people for next to nothing, TSA violating civil rights, Homeland security pretty much using the constitution as toilet paper, and officials all the way to the White House telling us it's good for us.

No one is saying we need to know all the military secrets. In the case of this incident though it seems the lack of any real info does more harm than good. And its not like this place has a squeaky clean record.

And daily on the news we see TRILLIONS of dollars sinking into the military budget and literally unaccounted for while people are losing their jobs and losing their homes. And do we get answers about that money? No we get stupid officials that can't even answer questions to congress, yet they keep their jobs.

But the government can spend more money to bail out the banks.. while the people starve and become homeless

I looked around and saw over 120 Three letter agencies in operation... just how many spooks do we need to spy on us?

More billions spent on military satellites for spying on everyone, yet there is so much crap out there you can barely get through. All in the name of security?


Well when all the jobs are sent to China and India and the USA becomes a Ghost Town with China holding the foreclosed mortgages and our greenbacks, then just what will that military have left to protect?

There was a time when Americans trusted our government. The cop on the beat was your friend...

Then one day someone decided that "We the People...." are the enemy

No we do not need to know all the secrets that are national security issues, but with all that money the military is sucking up, they are damn well accountable when it is a matter of public safety


I too get irritated with those on the inside who think they know it all but are merely pawns in the system.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Well,at this point you would have to assume a biological weapon was stolen.
That is what dugway specialises in,bio weapons. This is kind of like in third grade,when a student stole anothers milk money,knowing the milk money was still in the class,noone could leave until it was found.
So,come on children just please give back the bio weapon,and you can all go to recess.
And after this situation is all said and done,wether a bio weapon is found or not,we will be told it was a security drill.



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