Obamacare Waiver List Tops 700 ...

With almost 2,200,000 workers exempted from all the "benefits" of Obamacare, exactly who is going to get stuck with this.

Also, if you read the list of organizations with waivers, notice all the big labor unions and health care providers?

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How can anyone still think obamacare is a good idea?

Ah,
But most of these organizations were pushing for Obamacare. Did they know beforehand that they would get the waiver?

Gee Obama supporters. If it's so beneficial how come all of you are getting exemptions?

It's like some sick joke. When all is said and done only those who were against it will have to comply with it.

Originally posted by badgerprints
Ah,
But most of these organizations were pushing for Obamacare. Did they know beforehand that they would get the waiver?

No way that could be possible, right?

So, if they did all know they wouldn't be stuck with obamacare, who was it really aimed at?

And about 1/3 of those covered under the exemptions get there benefits through Union Healthcare programs. Hmmm!!

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Interesting how none of the members that were so vocal in their support of o-bow-macare seem to want anything to do with trying to defend this part of it.

Originally posted by centurion1211
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Interesting how none of the members that were so vocal in their support of o-bow-macare seem to want anything to do with trying to defend this part of it.

Seems to be a trend these days. The usual suspects have their hands full in the recent Obama/Abercrombie birth cert. threads.

Tough to defend the waivers especially when you see who all of the recipients are. SEIU just got 3 waivers including the Chicago chapter. How could something so good result in so many waivers??

Cheers!

The Obama administration is just giving these waivers because we're in an election cycle. Obama is trying to appear to be moving to the center and he can't have workers being dumped from their insurance when he said they would be able to keep their insurance.

Even Obama loving factcheck.org said this was a false claim.

If Obama is re-elected people better kiss their insurance goodbye. If you like your insurance it doesn't matter. This is the whole idea of Obamacare. It's designed to force people to buy insurance and also dump people into these exchanges even if they like there insurance.

If Obama is re-elected there will be no more waivers.

Without waivers, companies would have had to provide a minimum of $750,000 in coverage next year, increasing to $1.25 million in 2012, $2 million in 2013 and unlimited in 2014.

"The big political issue here is the president promised no one would lose the coverage they've got," says Robert Laszewski, chief executive officer of consulting company Health Policy and Strategy Associates. "Here we are a month before the election, and these companies represent 1 million people who would lose the coverage they've got."

The waiver program is intended to provide continuous coverage until 2014, when government-organized marketplaces will offer insurance subsidized by tax credits, says HHS spokeswoman Jessica Santillo.

www.usatoday.com...

This is why it was extended to 2014. After the election they will begin dumping people into these exchanges whether you like your insurance or not.

Obamacare is a disaster and a lot of these ridiculous things kick in after 2012 because Obama knows these things will be horrible for people when there dumped into government run health care that isn't half as good as the insurance they have.

How about a couple of additional SEIU waivers while were at it. Three more in addition to the 3 SEIU waivers that were just granted. Any Obamacare defenders care to chime in. Please defend these waivers!!

Three additional locals of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU)--an organization whose political action committee spent $27 million in independent expenditures promoting Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign--received one-year waivers exempting them from complying with a provision in the new health care law.

That brings to six the total number of SEIU locals that have received waivers from Obamacare.

www.cnsnews.com...

So the unions spend the union dues on Political contributions and to lobby for the passage of Obamacare that they are now exempt from. Wow!! What a country.

Please wake me up when this crazy nightmare is finally over

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As I posted on the obamacare is unconstitutional thread, I think this waiver process can rightly be called political corruption, since the organizations getting the waivers in many cases were also big contributors to the obama election campaign.

and the lights just turned off for all the obamanoids sympathizers who welcomed this healthcare bill
What no takers
Even kinda is silent
As one poster put it, who is going to pay for this bill the people who opposed it
sickening- just-sickening

hell i can hear the tumbleweeds and i'm in the uk!
don't worry guys i'm sure our very own con-lib damocracy has a few more surprises for us meek folk
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How about a couple of additional SEIU waivers while were at it. Three more in addition to the 3 SEIU waivers that were just granted. Any Obamacare defenders care to chime in. Please defend these waivers!!

I actually just started an entire thread to "defend these waivers".

I am not going to copy/paste everything from that thread...you can go read it if you wish: www.abovetopsecret.com...

BUT...let's get one thing straight...these waivers are not exemptions...and they really only apply to limited benefits plans...not any insurance plan...and they are temporary, not permanent.

More EXEMPTIONS!! 1,040 and counting. Yes its an exemption for one year. Will it then be renewed annually?? Probably only for the chosen few and the Unions.

HHS posted 126 new waivers on Friday, bringing the total to 1,040 organizations that have been granted a one-year exemption from a new coverage requirement included in the healthcare reform law enacted almost a year ago. Waivers have become a hot-button issue for Republicans, eager to expose any vulnerabilities in the reform law.

In order to avoid disruption in the insurance market, the healthcare overhaul gives HHS the power to grant waivers to firms that cannot meet new annual coverage limits in 2011. The waivers have typically been granted to so-called "mini-med" plans that offer limited annual coverage — as low as $2,000 — that would fall short of meeting the new annual coverage floor of $750,000 in 2011.

The waivers are meant as a stopgap measure until new state-run insurance exchanges open in 2014. Annual dollar limits will also be abolished by then.

A stop gap measure!! until 2014?? Will these waivers/exemptions be extended each year until 2014?? No one knows where this wheel of fortune will stop next. That's been the problem since day one of this mess.

thehill.com...

Originally posted by centurion1211
With almost 2,200,000 workers exempted from all the "benefits" of Obamacare, exactly who is going to get stuck with this.

Also, if you read the list of organizations with waivers, notice all the big labor unions and health care providers?

source

How can anyone still think obamacare is a good idea?

edit on 1/26/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

Do you ever get tired of distorting this information???


Waivers do NOT exempte people from ALL THE BENEFITS of the healthcare bill. They are a temporary extension so employers that offer limited benefit policies aren't forced to drop these plans and leave a lot of people with NO insurance at all.

It's an EXTENSION...not an EXCLUSION.

I know you are aware of this information, because I made a whole thread on it and you participated in it and didn't dispute what the waivers really are.

So you are WILLINGLY distoring this information to attempt to mis-lead people and spread your anti-Obama propaganda.


If anyone wants to know the FACTS behind the health care reform waivers...please go here:

Health Care Reform Bill (Obamacare) Waivers...What They Are and What They're Not




ETA: Apologies...I thought this was a new thread. Doesn't change the fact that people don't want to discuss the facts...just they propaganda.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


One point of your argument is incorrect whereas if you like your current insurance and wish to keep it then you can keep it. The language is there.

This continued mantra of "Obamacare" is literately disgusting and lame and dead wrong on so many levels.

Who does the GOP (that's whose view this is and clearly not yours) think they are to tell anyone that they do not have the right to have protection over their health insurance provider as this was and continues to be the focal point of this entire debate that for some twisted and sadistic purpose has been flipped into something that borders on the boundaries of the Rich-Poor divide that has been totally detrimental to the cost of insurance.

Those with stable and adequeate insurance must file with this list to exempt themselves from this rule.

The rule is "ALL PERSON'S MUST HAVE INSURANCE" and not "EVERY PERSON MUST BUY INSURANCE", Got it?

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Who does the GOP (that's whose view this is and clearly not yours) think they are to tell anyone that they do not have the right to have protection over their health insurance provider

Who do the Democrats think they are to tell us we have a right to healthcare and because we have a right to healthcare, we are required to have health insurance?

I somewhat agree that people have a right to affordable healthcare. I completely disagree with taking the right to choose away from people and saying you're giving people more rights. BS! The individual mandate (If it stands) completely obliterates your right to economic freedom. If they can require you to have health insurance, they can do anything. Whether or not people are being given waivers is entirely beside the point that they don't have to give people waivers. If they chose to, they could ram a bill like this through and require everyone to comply regardless of their circumstances. And they could also require everyone to buy insurance. If they have the authority to require ANYONE to buy insurance, they have the authority to require EVERYONE to buy it. Got it?

Regardless of what Obama is doing, this precedent allows the next guy to go further.

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I applaude your efforts, however...no one here will attempt to disagree with you because they either don't know what the 'waivers' are for or don't understand what they are.

I tried to fight this fight a few months ago. Good luck with it.