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AP Fact Check: Obama's Math Just Doesn't Add up!: (No Kidding)

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posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by beezzer
 


I can't.

I don't put any stock in any politician.

I stop saying "X will save our country."

I try to vote on what they claim their policies are but I realize this will likely be betrayed.


Thank you, for an honest answer.

I admire truth, honesty, dignity. What is sorely lacking in most politicians.




posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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The house and senate were controlled by the democrat party.
Guess you think they are blame-less?



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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What I heard was this:
Reduce taxes
Freeze spending
Invest... which means more spending
Lower Corporate taxes
Fix the infrastructure (mentioning Eisenhower) But Eisenhower taxed the upper tier at 91%
Do more with less money, in fact nearly NO money (same old downsizing talk)

"The recent State of the Union Address gives us nothing more than what we’ve heard before. We need to reduce taxes and government spending while at the same time “invest” in America’s education and industry. This government will not invest in anything properly with out a proper income for the government. It’s the same old talk, talk, talk, talk, then they will show us some miniscule developments and label that “success”. I heard a blurb about Eisenhower and the building of infrastructure and the highway system. Eisenhower could not have done that without the taxes that were levied = 91% on the top tier. Instead, we will lower more taxes, especially corporate taxes and then perform the magic of doing more with less, only it isn‘t merely “less“, it is nearly nothing."



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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WHy is Bush continually brought up any time anyone criticizes Obama?? Seems to me Bush was as bad as Obama... but Bush isnt in office in case anyone didnt know. Obama made promises he hasnt kept. He is making more promises he cant keep. All the while we are the real ones losing the battle.. the people. More damage has been done in 2 years than I can recall ever happening in a presidents term in my lifetime.. and Im not a spring chicken.

Im sooo sick of hearing about Bush..republicans versus democrats.. blah blah blah. I wonder when some will stop the school yard blame game , grow up, and expect a grown man who was voted in as potus to stop lying, having parties, and being an idealist living in a fantasy world of unlimited time and money. I demand we have a realist in office.. I couldnt care less what party he or she is from... if any.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Janky Red
 

The house and senate were controlled by the democrat party.
Guess you think they are blame-less?



Hardly, we are talking about presidents

Like it or not the economy is booming in my city, it will make its way out to your parts



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage
More damage has been done in 2 years than I can recall ever happening in a presidents term in my lifetime.. and Im not a spring chicken.



This is simply not true, the damage has been going on since Ronald Reagan accrued 150% national debt.
In fact the majority of our current debt is comprised of Ronald Reagan compounded interest on the debt he
created. Subsequent presidents piled on Reagan's intial pile -

When the vet says "your dog has cancer" does that mean your dog just got cancer as he spoke the words ?

How about when there is an auto accident? Do you place all the blame the EMT because the victim is now unable to walk? They were able to walk before the accident, WTF did that EMT do???


You talk about realist, come on



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by anon72
One thing I can assure you of...If McCain/Palin has won... we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. IMO.


The mess that Bush presided over


You mean the 6,500 DOW
or
the million jobs we were losing each month?

I must admit I am a little bummed, we could be in the Greatest Depression, riding donkeys or shooting them for fun, nuking Iran every other day -

It is real easy to forget where we were 2 years ago - the DOW is back, the housing market is stabilizing and people are spending like crazy in my neck of the woods, I have not seen it this busy in years. Not crediting Obama persay
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(Tightened quotes for spacing)

AGREED Janky. The OP is up to his usual slanted puffery.

Honestly, there is PLENTY of blame ON BOTH SIDES to go around, but Bush steered directly into iceberg before handing over helm to Obama. Even the Republican Response to SOTUA admitted that things were on a downward spiral prior to Obama. I thought that was honest and compelling.

Financial Crisis Was Avoidable, Inquiry Finds



Admittedly, I'll cherry pick a quote:


The majority report finds fault with two Fed chairmen: Alan Greenspan, who led the central bank as the housing bubble expanded, and his successor, Ben S. Bernanke, who did not foresee the crisis but played a crucial role in the response. It criticizes Mr. Greenspan for advocating deregulation and cites a “pivotal failure to stem the flow of toxic mortgages” under his leadership as a “prime example” of negligence.

It also criticizes the Bush administration’s “inconsistent response” to the crisis — allowing Lehman Brothers to collapse in September 2008 after earlier bailing out another bank, Bear Stearns, with Fed help — as having “added to the uncertainty and panic in the financial markets.”


SOURCE








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posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Yep, me and the AP. I just knew you would come along and say something.

Kinda Curious to this question: Were do you get you news that you read/listen/trust? (if that is possible).

In case you missed the lastest confimation that Obama is a lying flimflam artist, check this thread out:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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I think that you have that right.
It isn't that Reagan ought get all the blame, but his administration does. I liked him, but he royally screwed this country over by not analyzing the outcome of what his advisers were steering him toward.

(Or maybe he did?)

When I researched our tax base over the last few decades, I got the impression that his tax breaks were the fisrt that led us on a path to the current economic situation. I am not convinced that he would have done that had he possessed foresight.

This is what has happened all this time that we have not had "consequentialists" or any true "thinkers" in the key offices of our nation. Just look at the fat and sassy buffoons that run DOT, FDA, FTC, HS, and others to see the sleepwalkers, and those with true resentment over our way of life, as they do everything, and in most cases nothing, to block or ignore everything that is important to us as American citizens.

"I didn't know that cars had electronic accelorators."
Half the broadcast time of a drug ad suggests all the devastating side effects.
"Combat veterans could pose a threat to national security."
Corporations (ficticious entities) have the same rights as individuals (real entities).

Where did these clowns come from?

It isn't just Reagan, it is an incessant march of Bridge Trolls, Gargoyles, Dwarves, Toadies and other anti americans in the procession of the "Clown Show".

I would like to be wrong, when I opine that "we are being dismantled", but I find it very hard to escape the thought.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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I didn't see this anywhere so I wanted to share it.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by beezzer
I even got my polilitical sign that reflected what I thought.

Palin/McCain that expressed how the wife & I felt about it all.



You'll be seeing the actual sign w/ me in it probably.... in 2012 (less Mr. McCain....)


I got me one of them there fake signs too. Like yours, mine was altered from original and it is as EQUALLY ON TOPIC as yours. It is contributed as a direct response utilizing same spirit of creative license.



:shk:


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posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Advantage
More damage has been done in 2 years than I can recall ever happening in a presidents term in my lifetime.. and Im not a spring chicken.



This is simply not true, the damage has been going on since Ronald Reagan accrued 150% national debt.
In fact the majority of our current debt is comprised of Ronald Reagan compounded interest on the debt he
created. Subsequent presidents piled on Reagan's intial pile -

When the vet says "your dog has cancer" does that mean your dog just got cancer as he spoke the words ?

How about when there is an auto accident? Do you place all the blame the EMT because the victim is now unable to walk? They were able to walk before the accident, WTF did that EMT do???


You talk about realist, come on







You make no sense.. what does Reagan have to do with what Obama is doing right this second.. again in case you havent noticed he IS potus? I was alive and watched reagan be elected.. he was no god... in fact, no one has mentioned him but YOU trying again to blame another for Obama's job performance.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Janky Red
 


If we are comparing, how about the 4.5% unemployment (Bush) vs the 10% that Obama now owns after TWO YEARS!



Unemployment is a lagging indicator. That means it recovers far slower than equity markets, consumer discretionary, etc.

That is a terrible talking point. BTW, I didn't or would never vote for either.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Getting back to the real point...

I don't see how this adminstration will be able to pull off the stated goals without any real income.

To me its just more talk, talk, talk, talk, and no outcome that is meaningful will develop. But I have no doubt that the spin doctors will again fool the public.

I am tired of being schmoozed. Aren't you? Or do you need some more?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by anon72
Yep, me and the AP. I just knew you would come along and say something.

Kinda Curious to this question: Were do you get you news that you read/listen/trust? (if that is possible).

In case you missed the lastest confimation that Obama is a lying flimflam artist, check this thread out:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Ahh...h did someone mention lies? Heres a few spoken by the "one". Seriously though guys...the thread was about the wishy washy words spoken by Obama that we all know will just be hot-air.Smokes and mirrors to convince the naiive to drink more kool-aid! So why do you come and bash Palin, Reagan and Bush every single time Obamas weaknesess are pointed out?

obamalies.net...

List of Lies
Below is a list of Obama’s documented lies so far with the most recent lies first. If you see we are missing a documented lie Submit the lie here.

Lies During Second Year
Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill

All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber
Obama Memo

I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
Obama’s Schedule


The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
Campaign and Presidency


“Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.

ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans

We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010

Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.
Arizona Immigration Law

The Health Care Package will pay for itself
Time

Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one.

Hmm Immigration?


We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
Democratic Debate Lies

I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill.

I got the Message from Massachusetts
Daily Bail

Lies During First Year
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Obama Inaugaration. 20 Jan 2009

Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
Obama Lies

Recovery Act will save or create jobs
ABC News

Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
Obama Lies

No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus

CNN

I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
Specator.Org

We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages.
Obama Lies

I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
NPR

Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
Council on Foreign Relations.

Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes
List of Tax Promise Violations

2008 Campaign Lies
Obama campaign would accept public funding
ABC

Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.

Would have the most transparent administration in History
Cato Institute

I have visited all 57 states.
Snopes

I’ll get rid of earmarks
Source: Any bill passed during presidency

When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.
Campaign Speech

My father served in World War II.
The Videos and the Facts

Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
News Video

Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
YouTube

Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.

Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
NPR

I Won Michigan
Huffington Post

I won Nevada
The Nation

I don’t Have Lobbyists
US News

My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
Crooks and Liars

I Have Always Been Against Iraq
Washington Post

My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
CNN

Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
Obama Campaign Video

I Barely Know Rezko
Sun Times

My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church
ABC News



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by TexasChem
So why do you come and bash Palin, Reagan and Bush every single time Obamas weaknesess are pointed out?


If by chance you are directing that statement to me, I'd simply point out that the OP introduced Palin on his 2nd post in thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Once something is added to discussion, it becomes fair game. That is how it works around here.

If you are referring to other poster who introduced Reagan, I'd say comparing the economic policies of a past president is germane when discussing economic policies of current one.

It is a discussion forum, warts and all. Without opposing views discussed, it would be a blog / echo chamber like the one you sourced your material from.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Well...While the GOP is championing the new journalist-hero Calvin Woodward for his critique of the state of the union, maybe you should review his last article


PROMISES, PROMISES: GOP drops some out of the gate




WASHINGTON – Republicans have already violated some of the vows they made in taking stewardship of the House.

Their pledge to cut $100 billion from the budget in one year won't be kept.

The effort to repeal the health care law, for one, is expected to pass in the House and fail in the Senate, going nowhere.

CUT SPENDING: "We will roll back government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels, saving us at least $100 billion in the first year alone," the GOP pledge stated.

It turns out $100 billion is way out of reach.

REFORM CONGRESS: "We will let any lawmaker — Democrat or Republican — offer amendments to reduce spending," the pledge said. "

Despite the promise of more open debate and the opportunity to offer floor amendments, GOP leaders will bring legislation to repeal Obama's signature health care overhaul bill to the floor next week and deny Democrats any chance to try to preserve popular provisions.

See link for full article..



news.yahoo.com...


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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Mine isn't fake. My is a banner that has that on it. You'll see soon enough. Packed away as I am moving. It will be ready for the run.

I don't need to be fake... like some



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Like it or not the economy is booming in my city, it will make its way out to your parts


The American economy is far from fixed and far from recovering.

Some areas are experiencing "booms" based on incentives paid for by the government with borrowed money.

The unfortunate fact of the matter is, the American economy can't even start to recover until the government reigns in spending. Until that happens, the "hole" just get's deeper, the projected recovery period longer.

I have no horse in your race, politically, however, my country's economy is tied to yours, so I would love to see true economic recovery happen.



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