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America facing a Sputnik moment: Obama

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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America facing a Sputnik moment: Obama


www.calgaryherald.com

"Half a century ago, when the Soviets beat us into space with the launch of a satellite called Sputnik, we had no idea how we would beat them to the moon. The science wasn't even there yet. NASA didn't even exist," Obama told a joint session of Congress.

"But after investing in better research and education, we didn't just surpass the Soviets . . . we unleashed a wave of innovation that created new industries and millions of new jobs. This is our generation's Sputnik moment."

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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I'm not sure exactly I get his comparison. What has the U.S done lately to "launch" itself amongst other nations?..

Man o' man, I just pray for the day someone like Ron Paul or Ralph Nader, although bat-sh*t crazy in some aspects, rises to power long enough to live out their "bombs for education" standpoint. The endless BILLIONS per year on bombs and defense could put all American youth through college 10x over.


I understand that's not "how the world works", but atleast invest that money into new schools and science/research/technical universities and make scholarships easier to obtain then a G.E.D.

It's very possible. Hell, even other countries might take suit as well. America does, whether we like it or not, "lead the way"... Imagine the influence.

www.calgaryherald.com
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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What is this new fad of comparing moments?

Obama's katrina, obama's sputnik moment, bush's pearl harbor moment.
No one has their own moment's anymore.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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I heard this on the news here in Australia..

He wants to pump money into research mainly in pharma and energy..
The problem is, is that just giving money to Big Bussiness again??

Mostly they develop new products and have them made in their overseas factories..
What the US needs is jobs IN the US..
Not more profit to Big Bussiness and foreign companies...



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Considering what Obama is doing to NASA-gutting it's budget and limiting previous goals-I think the last thing he needs to be referencing is anything related to Space.

What a P.O.S.

In the NY TImes (I think) they just posted a story about how they fear they are being cut so much that they will not be able to fulfill their previous obligations. Let me go get that for this (I was going to do a thread on it but I think you got it going one here).

For NASA, Longest Countdown Awaits
Link: www.nytimes.com...

For NASA, as it attempts to squeeze a workable human spaceflight program into a tight federal budget, the answers appear to be “somewhere” and “not anytime soon.”


Cheers



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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In his annual state of the union address, Obama bluntly told the nation it "lags behind" other countries in academic achievement and said America's "lead has slipped" in vital areas of physical and digital infrastructure. But Obama also sought to rally Americans by comparing the challenge of competing against emerging economic giants such as China and India to the U.S. space race against the Soviet Union in the 1950s and 1960s. Read more: www.canada.com...


from your source

He's saying we are getting our azzes handed to us, and we need to step up or be relegated to the sidelines, vis-a-vis how Sputnik fired us up on the space program. Fact is he's right. Americans are horrible at science, and it is only getting worse.
Here's the Wall Street Journal on the issue just today (or yesterday, but recent anyhow): WSJ



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Spae prgram has absolutely NOTHNG to do even by comparison wih getting us citizens jobs* we already know obama, the FED is as corrupt as al cappone if not moreso, and have every intention of bailing themselves and coprporations out leaving us behind to die. sputnik was to me, created by captured nazi scientists anyways..as was NASA rockets bult with those who captured by the americans.
and when he says jobs* does h mean part time or full time jobs>? or jobs given to government employees only>? HUGE difference if 47% of the public here is full time, and thats probably with illegal aliens in our systems caming it...thats not even 50%
401K pensions are touchable and not guaranteed anymore. sooner or later, your social security too. all so he FED and corporations can hire you at half salary, expect a momumentum outpt, then kick your ass out the door.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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With the moon landing, the USA had a massive spending program of research and development, with a specific, common goal in mind.

Trying to sell this as a "sputnik moment" with no specific goal, is sheer madness. It's intolerable to say "we've got to out innovate, out educate, out produce" etc, without setting specific goals or outlining specific ways of doing this.

I was an Obama supporter for a little while, but I see absolutely nothing in this current scene of things to even make me think he will win reelection.

Tax cuts for corporate America and a massive infrastructure spending program? How does he think he's going to pay for all of this?

He wants to restructure the tax rules while allowing more tax cuts for corporations, whom already have so many loopholes that almost no corporate taxes at all are paid in the USA, and also wants to fund an infrastructure spending program? Americans can't seem to get it through their heads that this is a time for tax increases and spending cutbacks, something that every other Government in debt around the world has figured out.

You can't spend yourself out of debt, it's the same for Governments as it is for households.

America will speed itself towards hyperinflation and bankruptcy by going down this path.

Sorry Mr. President, you lost my support a long time ago, such as it was from a Canadian, and I have little confidence that you'll do anything significant to get it back before you're replaced.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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I don't think you guy understand the allegory. Sputnik was a Russain victory, not ours. He's comparing China's sudden passing the US in several aspects with the time that the USSR did the same. He's not claiming some major accomplishment; he's pointing out how we need to wake up to the fact we are falling behind on the world stage.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Jobs are in China and its almost impossible to start anything without going through piles of red tape and govt regulations. Need a team of lawyers to start up a lemonade stand anymore. Until government gets the hell outta the way nothing will change.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Um.. we get it. Comparing his katrina moment was the same thing. About reaction not accomplishment.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 04:09 AM
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Yeah and it isn't about to change. Oil companies just drove a bunch of solar panel manufacturers to China recently. They will surpass us, and by a larger margin if they already have.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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The whole speech was a confused and pointless mess. He could have just stared blankly into the camera and said "Yarble darble blagh. Gurble blah moo? Murk nukkle blah blah dibblerdarble! (applause) Gerber nakka makka skoo!" and it would have been just as relevant to anything.

And I say this as someone who is undoubtedly a liberal, who voted for the guy, and thinks most of his critics are brainless sponges.

That SOTU was just absolutely useless.
edit on 26-1-2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 04:15 AM
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I liked that he was for the overthrow in Tunisia despite that fact that it was partly incited by wikileaks (I believe, need to check but I think I read that somewhere, same with Belarus).



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Um.. we get it. Comparing his katrina moment was the same thing. About reaction not accomplishment.


Obviously, some posters before you didn't "get it." Many ATS members don't exercise much depth in their thinking.

I don't suppose you would want to consider it, but perhaps there is another shoe to hit the floor here. I suspect he has something up his sleeve (for my second metaphor). Make no mistake, I never voted for the man and distrust him, but there are things going on that are bigger than him, his problems, and even the economic crisis we and the world are facing. Yes, I'm hinting at some form of Disclosure.



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Heard on CNN this morning the town where he was speaking is where Sputnik crash landed in MN. lol.
Best part, it was just a coincidence. -



posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
What has the U.S done lately to "launch" itself amongst other nations?..


Well, America still exports a lot of electronics and other widgets despite that everyone seems to think that is solely the territory of Asia, American film (Hollywood) seems to be exported to some degree of profitability though I'm not positive about that, and of course there has been no halt in military technology and R&D, in which the obsolete technology gets sold to friendly nations and some of the double as advances in other fields (medical etc, which is also a valued export), if you look around there are a ton of nations that use previously American military technologies. Many foreign students come to American colleges, looking past a million community colleges there are still some good higher learning schools here, UC Berkeley stands out as one of them. There are still a lot of farmers all across the country.

It's not like we have dropped off the face of the Earth, America is still providing for the world what we can and we are still ahead of many other nations in a lot of areas.

I saw the Chinese(?) lady on TV that wrote the 'Tiger Mom' book about how she raised her kids for perfection (we call it tough love I guess) and received a lot of criticism, but honestly I think it could do us some good to think about how we raise our kids here. Maybe there will be an emphasis on absorbing the good qualities of other nations into our own in the future, I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of adaptation in our society.
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posted on Jan, 26 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by CanadianDream420
 


The whole speech was a confused and pointless mess. He could have just stared blankly into the camera and said "Yarble darble blagh. Gurble blah moo? Murk nukkle blah blah dibblerdarble! (applause) Gerber nakka makka skoo!" and it would have been just as relevant to anything.

And I say this as someone who is undoubtedly a liberal, who voted for the guy, and thinks most of his critics are brainless sponges


And sadly, many of o-bow-ma's supporters would have stood up and cheered if he's actually done as you said.

Alas, brainless sponges calling other people brainless sponges ...



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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When the Soviets launched Sputnik, the U.S started the Apollo program which can be considered one of the greatest accomplishments (or greatest fake to some) in human history. I can see why Obama uses this as some sort of inspiration as well as giving government credit for large projects. I can see why Obama also uses the Interstate Highway system as another example.

An Apollo program or Interstate highway program equivalent would provide massive amounts of jobs, inspire the nation, and help our infrastructure. As a nation we are in dire need of this.

Obama's actions however prove different.

In terms of today's dollars, the Apollo program would have cost about $180-$200 billion. The originally planned interstate highway system minus newer post-1992 additions cost about $450 billion in today's dollars. The benefits from these programs are immense and a testament that government projects can do great good.

Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is about $787 billion over a ten year period with almost $400 billion (give or take $50 billion) spent so far. Add the $50 billion for the GM bailout and we get around $450 billion.

The Apollo program took about 10 years to come to fruition so maybe the Obama spending might take as long before we see something substantial. However cost-wise, the Apollo program is much cheaper and started showing results much sooner in terms of dollars spent. So far, with 50% of Obama's stimulus spent, we get the preservation of jobs and pensions of government workers, we restructured GM by helping them move plants to Mexico to build costly electric cars, we hired temporary census workers, and created shovel ready jobs that don't really exist. By the time 50% of the total of the Apollo program was spent, there were men on the moon or at least flying in space.

The interstate highway program took about 30 years however the jobs created were immediate and so was the improvement to the transportation system as new highways were completed. After $450 billion adjusted, the U.S. had a working highway system and a dramatically improved infrastructure. After $450 billion Obama dollars that are meant to reinvest into America, what did we get? The infrastructure is still the same, where are those shovel ready jobs? At least we get new GM plants in Mexico and maybe that NAFTA will help bring something over....

The U.S government of yesteryear is a vastly less corrupt machine as it is today. Taxpayer money was actually used for stuff. Government spending was actually used for something that benefits the U.S. population. At least the near socialist FDR built things.

Now we have a government that taxes us and we don't see crap. There are no Apollo programs, no interstate projects, no energy infrastructure improvements, nothing. There is only taxpayer money going to the friends of the government class ( the government class is both parties).

The past two years and the lack of any investment return for the hundreds of billions of dollars spent just proves that Obama is a liar. Now he wants us to spend more for more infrastructure improvements and other grand projects. What happened during the last two years? Where did that money get us?

Our true Sputnik moment for this nation is that our corrupt government is screwing us.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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Try saying it. I trip over it, and I'm the one who typed it. I'd applaud



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