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Daughter Told To Watch SOTU Tonight

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Kangaruex4Ewe
We will sit down as a family and watch this tonight and discuss it together... But there wil be no "praise" paper turned in.
You are going in assuming nothing will be praiseworthy. Perhaps that's where the indoctrination starts?


Agreed.

Kanga...let your daughter write her paper, ask her to include three things she didn't like in addition to 3 things she did like if it makes you feel better. Let them be her words and ideas.

Dad shouting at the TV doesn't help BTW


My sense is that the teacher wanted to keep the experience positve at her age...but if you feel the need to instill balance, that is cool too.

But not letting her do the assignment seems like you are teaching her to refuse to engage in political discourse and discussion or that doing the same is a bad thing.
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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She is 13 going on 40.
It is 7th grade history class. It isn't a full report so to speak they are just supposed to list good points, 3 people that attended, and how you can help him achieve his goals. So it shouldn't take long to finish it.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Personally I think this political assignment for a 13 year old is pushing it too far. I'd be questioning the teacher's motives and put her right back in her tiny little place where she belongs.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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the most viscerating response so far. cutting to the point that everyone feels deep inside.
too bad you can't vote here.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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I did it as well. But we had the freedom to state good and bad. That is the difference.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Good Points:

1. He seemed 'Clean'.
2. He seemed 'Articulate'.
3. His teleprompter was working.


How you could help him make the U. S. a better place:

1. All of the children can look around the school to see if they could find his 'Birth Certificate'.
2. All of the children could circulate a petition to encourage him to 'Resign'. (Bonus)



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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What a wonderful parent you must be....
Screw up your 13 year old childs grades to make a point.....
Way to go.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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There is no way I could stomach watching that slimy POS talk tonight. I will have to read the speech tomorrow.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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If his 13 year old is in grades 1 through 5...
She's got other problems....



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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Seeing as how she always makes principles scholar, I highly doubt her average would be affected. But thanks for your concern.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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I make my 17 and 12 yr old watch it. Its good for them and its amazing what a kid can perceive in things like this. Many of us old folks are pretty set in our ideas..but if you give the kid exposure to all sides of an issue ( as they will be exposed to when on their own) you get a real good bead on WHO your kid is and how these things are actually perceived by them versus those of us who are slightly jaded.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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Again, excellent points. Thanks for replying.


2nd



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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I just dropped this comment elsewhere. It applies here.

To this day, I only quote ONE instructor or professor I have had. It was his opening lecture. The course was US History. His lecture in a paraphrased and shortened version was this-

Any non fiction or historical record, must be taken with a discerning eye, you must remember that all historical evidence and record must be perceived as subjective. You are getting the material through third parties. You are getting it through the eyes or views of those that wrote it, plus through the filters of those that are giving the information.

So, we are going to get the SOTU through the eyes of Obama, his Speech Writers (propagandists), and other subjective viewpoints.

OP, I appreciate your candor and intelligence. One must look at things as a true scientist would, no preconceptions and verifiable/demonstrative evidence.

From the looks of the first SOTU that Obama gave, it will be just another telepromptor debacle. At LEAST THIS TIME, we will not have to look at Pelosi doing a workout routine.

Sweatin to the Socialists




posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Parents should sit with their kids and watch news, politics and things like the presidential address.

This gives the PARENT who has the RESPONSIBILITY the opportunity to discuss and guide their children.

Take the opportunities to discuss life with your kids.

Otherwise the establishment and the media will raise them for you.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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Thank you for the answer, as this gives a clear picture of what may be going on. One question that does come to mind, is what kind of history class is this, that it deals with current events that has not even come to pass, in topics that normally is covered in more advanced classes, and with some companies.
My advice to you, is watch the speech, and then offer counter points for her to put into the paper, and send along a note with her to school, telling her teacher, that you, as a parent will be visiting, and will expect that the teacher, the principle and the superintendent all sit down for a conference, as to why the teacher is using the classroom as a political pulpit, and that you would like some answers to that question. It would also be advisable to have a lawyer on call, to be able to start legal proceedings if they are not willing to sit down with you, putting an injunction against the school, the district and the teacher as well. There are other questions, such as how does one speech made today qualify as history? It has not come to pass, nor could it be considered history in any sense of the word. It does reek as indoctrination as the op stated in the first post, and sounds more and more like similar rhetoric that some hate groups once used, in the past, namely the Nazi comes to mind. Questions such as is the teacher racist or racially bias also comes to mind, and other assignments in the past that were given, such as when say George Bush, jr was in office, was this kind of assignment given, or any president for that matter? If it is no, then the claims of it being racially motivated, could be raised.
If the assignment had been to listen to the speech, name 3 of the people present and what points the student agreed with or disagreed with, that would be acceptable, as it would give a more fair presentation, along with allowing for opposing points of view. However, when it is just only for in favor of the president and how they can help the current president achieve his goals, then it crosses the boundary, and goes right into political activism. It would also due for you to contact the local news and bring it up to the public as well, the more people in your community, city, and state that know about this, the better it will be to bring pressure on the district.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Kangaruex4Ewe
reply to post by nivekronnoco
 


Seeing as how she always makes principles scholar, I highly doubt her average would be affected. But thanks for your concern.


Remember, the principal is your princiPAL.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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I couldn't agree more with your post. My daughter and I watch the news together every evening. We also talk about finding things out for yourself and not just believing everything you hear.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Kangaruex4Ewe
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Seeing as how she always makes principles scholar, I highly doubt her average would be affected. But thanks for your concern.


Remember, the principal is your princiPAL.


Good Lord.. that just gave me flashbacks..


I attended a very good school which is no longer in operation due to paying and coddling athletes.
Memphis College Preparatory High School. At NO time did out History class ever encompass current events.. weird history class she has..

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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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It gave me shivers too!


It is not uncommon for this teacher to go slightly off course. He is a good teacher and the kids seem to like him, but he has them do current event assignments from time to time.



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