A question for all the "2012" non-believers

reply to post by Zagari


So what is the fractal dimension of the plot?

You are welcome to use the value posted by any of those people you claimed call the graph fractal.

reply to post by ThreeDeuce


that date is nothing more than a Astrological alignment and changing from Pisces to Aquarius. I have seen no Mayan expert say the Mayan Calander ends then, they all actually say it keeps going, imagine that a circle with no end. It's the 13th Baktun and the beginning of a new age for them not the end of the world...

For those who believe McKenna isn't a hack and or that he's not talking out of his ass:

I believe in 2012, I just don't believe the end of the world is going to happen. I also believe in 2013 etc...

reply to post by MrXYZ


ALL the comments to that video are saying that the video poster should be more informed about the graph. EVERYONE of them.

This video is fail. It shows only ignorance and lack of knowledge. Timewave zero is not debunkable, hasn't been debunke yet and won't be until 2013.

reply to post by Zagari

ALL the comments to that video are saying that the video poster should be more informed about the graph. EVERYONE of them.

This video is fail. It shows only ignorance and lack of knowledge. Timewave zero is not debunkable, hasn't been debunke yet and won't be until 2013.

Thanks for continuing to point out how gullible you are.

So what is the fractal dimension of the plot? Hope this trivial question does not stymie you much longer.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

 

The problem with the likes of Lungold and Calleman is that their claims are demonstrably false. That is why they are hoaxers. I am not assigning then to the bin of being hoaxers without the fact that they put out falsehoods.

A clear example is the claims of the 9 levels based on the 9 levels in a pyramid. That is not Mayan. That is a hoax perpetrated by Lungold. The number of fallacies he has pushed is huge.

Here is a page I found online. How many errors can you find:
The Mayan Calendar Applied
by Ian Xel Lungold
Here is a sample of blatant errors:
1. Number of days for human gestation
2. Number of different cell types in the human body
3. The claim that the "human reproduction cycle follows this moon cycle"
4. Misleading statements about the Tun calendar
5. "The Tun calendar of 360 days is the Macro-Cosmic time scale of evolution."
6. "all the way back 15 billion years to the Big Bang"
7. "The Mayan calendars are built in 9 levels or 9 major stages of evolutionary development."
8. "Next came the Familial Cycle, a consciousness stage of the first monkeys 40 million years ago."
9. "The Tribal Cycle follows, (2 million years ago) developing Homo erectus and winding up with Homo sapiens."
10. "From there Consciousness began to form Cultures (102,000 years ago) and thereafter the National Cycle began (3115 BC) when the first nations were formed, we started writing and the first pyramids were built."

The list can go on and on. This guy was a fraud and a hoaxer.

So, all you have is his own list....
And which of the list are hoaxes?
Do I need to guess myself,
Or were you deliberately vague....

reply to post by MrXYZ


A superb video that points out the glaring failing of this hoax.

I was not surprised to see the top poster with the laughable claim that McKenna slid the TWZ to match the 2012 claims. Only some doofus like that top poster would be unaware of McKenna's adjustments.

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by ThreeDeuce
Stereologist, your stance against 2012 comes from
the fact that you view Lungold, Calleman, and the
other two people you named, to be hoaxers.

I've never heard of these guys. But if they are not hoaxers, prove to me that everything that they say is absolute truth and that they have never benefited in any shape or form from their announcements. A few papers in Science or Nature would help.

AFAIK the 2012 issue originated back in the early 1990s with Maurice Cotterell. Until then everyone was obsessed with the end of the word in 1999

Others have since jumped on the bandwagon and will no doubt find new ones in 2013.

edit on 8-6-2011 by Essan because: (no reason given)

Science or nature magazine???? Seriously?
Scientists can not even agree on global warming....

reply to post by ThreeDeuce


Sorry I was not completely clear

So, all you have is his own list....
And which of the list are hoaxes?
Do I need to guess myself,
Or were you deliberately vague....

All of those issues are hoaxes.

Can you believe that Lungold thought we were so stupid as to think that human gestation was 260 days? You certainly didn't fall for that or his other stupid claims did you?

Of course you knew these were all hoaxes otherwise you would have contested even one, but then you can't can you?

I can't believe people can be so gullible in the 21st century when good, objective, peer reviewed information is so freely available

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

 

Can you believe that Lungold thought we were so stupid as to think that human gestation was 260 days? You certainly didn't fall for that or his other stupid claims did you?

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Okay, gestation of 260 vs 280 days. Let's talk about this one....

From wikipedia (so it could be falsely edited) ..... but.....

Gestatation is the carrying of an embryo or fetus inside a female viviparous animal. Mammals during pregnancy can have one or more gestations at the sametime(multiple gestations). The time interval of a gestation plus two weeks is called gestation period, and the length of time plus two weeks that the offspring have spent developing in the uterus is called gestational age. (The extra two weeks is added because gestational age is counted starting from the last menstrual period (LMP), rather than from actual conception. However, these extra two weeks are not always added when talking about animals.)


So, from my understnding of above paragraph,
Gestation sometimes includes the last two
weeks, but sometimes does not.

This would bring your
approximately 280 number
close to his 260 number.

Is there a possibility that you have
misinterpreted his facts as hoaxes.... Falsley?

Even a possibility?
Or, is your conviction so strong that
there's no possible way you are incorrect.

At least I am open to the chance I might be wrong.

What I see too often is closed-minded judgement....

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Which next hoax do you want to tackle on that list?

Forgive me if I don't want to go through the whole list.....

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Just found another link for you .... Gestation

This is from answers.com (not best source I know)

The gestation period of a human, from time of conception to birth is approximately 9 months (266 days/38 Weeks). 9.5 months is calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period (280 days/40 Weeks). most full-term babies will come between 37-42 weeks

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Okay stereo, that's the first two links that
I have looked at. Both saying that you are
wrong calling him a hoax based on this.....

If you see the 280 is 9.5 months, and we all know
9.5 is a couple of weeks too long.......
Oh wait, that means its closer to 260......
.....That can't be......

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Here is a snipet from
Transitiontoparentood.com:


How are due dates calculated? In the 1850’s, a Dr. Naegele determined the average length of human gestation llwas 266 days from conception, or 280 days (40 weeks) from last menstrual period. He assumed that the average woman had cycles that lasted 28 days and that she ovulated on Day 14 of her cycle

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Hmmm, this really makes me wonder
about ALL of your arguments.

These were the first three links about gestation
which I brought up. I didn't even try hard.

I only googled "what is the gestation of a human".

Did you just assume you were right?


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3 out of 3 links prove you have no right
to call Lungold a hoaxer...on this issue.

Not saying he's 100% right,
just looking for you to prove he
was wrong about something.

Prove me just ONE thing,
Then we can go from there.

And please research it before you post.
Otherwise, you will just sound as
ignorant as you did spouting about
gestation.

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Please provide links or quotes,
I could care less about your opinions.

:goto chocolate starfish

I'm more of a 2013 believer actually. That's when the SHTF....mark my words.
Or don't....It doesn't matter, you'll probably forget those that called it out when it happens anyway.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
I can't believe people can be so gullible in the 21st century when good, objective, peer reviewed information is so freely available

I agree, its much easier to flood a thread callin
people gullible, rather than actually
CONTRIBUTING to the thread.....

It's not like people on ATS like links and pages to research....
It's still easier to post frivilous replies



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Gullible XYZ? Really?

Yes, like we are gullible about the gestation period...

You do know that stereologist is wrong...correct?

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Opinions are like chocolate starfish,
We all got them,
And no one wants someone elses
stinky opinions stuck in their face.

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Just remember that it might be you,
who is too gullible to realize his ego has gotten
the best of him, and he might be fallible.

Links and facts please...

Originally posted by MrXYZ
I can't believe people can be so gullible in the 21st century when good, objective, peer reviewed information is so freely available

THIS is the face of 2012 debunkers.

Its as if their mindframe says

Let's just say we have information, without
actually giving anything pertinent.

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Why waste a post?

I can't even believe you get a star for that to be honest.
It just shows that ATS awards for similar opinions,
and not on well thought out posts or ideas.

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I have seen ZERO anti-2012 posters present any
peer-reviewed information which says that 2012 is a hoax.

But, here you see ..... all talk with zero substance.

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XYZ, I want you to try and convert me..... you can win
me to your side.... and all you have to do is prove it to me.

Prove to me that I am wrong.
Show me links and videos.

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That is what you want, right?

To win others to your side?

Why else would you care so much
what OTHERS believe?

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Originally posted by stereologist
Of course you knew these were all hoaxes otherwise you would have contested even one, but then you can't can you?

I counter argued the first item that you singled out.

No, I am not going to argue the entire list,
just because you can cut and paste his beliefs.

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YOU are the one 100% sure that he is wrong.
And yet, you are down 0 to 1.

Choose your next item which proves
Ian Lungold to be a hoaxer.

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You really need to treat people with
more RESPECT stereologist.

I have not taken a negative tone with you once.
And, I easily could have, the way you always reply.

Remember, not everyone I able to post 24 hrs
a day. And others might even take some......



time to research before they reply to your drivel.

We don't all post without thinking or rereading.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

 

that date is nothing more than a Astrological alignment and changing from Pisces to Aquarius. I have seen no Mayan expert say the Mayan Calander ends then, they all actually say it keeps going, imagine that a circle with no end. It's the 13th Baktun and the beginning of a new age for them not the end of the world...

Yes, you are 100% correct. I can't disagree with you,
Other than he fact that I contend that the changing of
ages is a great time of turmoil and upheaval.

During the last change of Ages to Pices,
We seem the emmergence of Jesus Christ,
and christinity.

Is it pure coincidence that a common symbol
for jesus is the fish, as he said "go be fishers of men".

Also, the fish symbol on the back of cars echoes the
importance of the age of pices.

Seeing as the last age change brought about the
LARGEST change to religion as we know it;

Isn't it frivilous to assume the next age change
will bring zero important changes?

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With the strong coorelation between Jesus and
The age of Pices,
Isn't it frivilous to assume that Aquarius,
"The bringer of water" will have zero
to do with floods / tsunamis?

At least admit there is a small chance,
Even if its a miniscule percentage,
there is still a chance that knowledge exists
BEYOND our limited scope of intelligence.

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With the last change being from judaism to
Christianity, look at how much the Jews have
been persecuted over the years.

Is that coincidence also?

There always tends to be a purging of the
older religion upon age change.

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the calendar ends, not the world in destruction. where on the calendar does it say that we will be destroyed. NOWHERE. thats where. The calendar ends and starts over , thats it.

Originally posted by cloaked4u
the calendar ends, not the world in destruction. where on the calendar does it say that we will be destroyed. NOWHERE. thats where. The calendar ends and starts over , thats it.

another great post filled with......
Bull snip opinion, and nothing else.

Thank you, I understand your position on the subject.

A link, quote, or some information would be helpful
to go along with your Incredibly Thought Up Two Line Post.

Just be careful, you don't want to make the mistake of
spending too much time, and actually contributing to
the thread.


Can you show me where it says
"End of Calendar - Nothing Happens Today"

I also don't beleieve the calendar has a sticky note
titled "Destruction on Wednesday".

That would make for a heck of a hump day though.

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Your contention is one of the most common arguments
against 2012.

You aren't saying the date is wrong, you are
just saying that nothing will happen.

In your opinion, the day will come and pass like all others.

What I don't understand, is how can you be sure
That nothing will happen even TOMORROW?

Much less have the foresight to predict 1.5 years,
with absolute certainty.


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I am glad I disagree with you,
It at least gives me something to talk about at 1:33 am.

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What you need to look at to determine what
MIGHT happen on dec 21, 2012, we need to look
at what happened the last time this occured.

This happened witht the emmergence of Jesus,
as the age turned to pices.

...oh, so there's a reason a Jesus symbol is a fish?

Yes, and one could also make a guess and say that
this upcoming age change has led to the constant
persecuton of Jews.

This nevermade sense to me, because Jesus was a Jew.
Kinda Hitlocrytical..no?

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The Mayans also say that the world has been
destroyed 5 times in the past, and will again.

And yet you give a 0% chance that their
Calendar could mean anything upon completion?

You do know this calendar was around before
the Mayans, right?

Its not like they made it up to get a laugh out of us....