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A question for all the "2012" non-believers

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posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by Gab1159
Oh and OP! You've got me interested! Can you provide us with a link of the astral projectionists unable to see past 2012? I'm not sure it's the same thing, but I've been reading stuff about the military Montauk project, an alternative military experiment involving mind control, time travel, dimensional travel... I remember reading that all time projectionists couldn't see past 2011-2012...All of this happened before the 2012 hype so that's why your claim got me really interested!


Not addressed to me so please forgive me for sticking my 2 cents in here.
I believe it is remote viewers who are unable to see beyond this date. The military had a remote viewing program that the movie Men Who Stare At Goats was based on. I cant do it but I have heard that remote viewing can be taught to almost anyone.


No karen, it is both.....
Even psychics like Edgar Cayce were unable
to see past that point in time.

They say its all white, as if the universe is unified,
into one mass of light....

Or something similar, been a few years since I read the accounts




posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Cecilofs
 


The fact remains...we ARE more advanced than the Mayans, and not only when it comes to astronomy. Every single thing they did we could now improve upon, every single thing




We are technologically more advanced than the Mayans.

Anything else, you are assuming XYZ. Especially since
their written records were destroyed.

I believe we only have one codex left .
Research the dresden codex, and tell me
that they wrerent advanced.

Most people, like you would assume that
natives had little knowledge.

But, the fact is they were able to make things
like terra preta, which e can't fully replicate.
The true recipe is lost to antiquity.

To assume that civilizations who built pyramids, chicen itza,
And macchu picchu are unintelligent, is that in itself.

Perhaps you sould not think so highly of our current society.
As, here are many other things we are dumber about,
like peserving our planet, and treating others with respect.



posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Stereologist, how can you say that a metal's melting point
is NOT chemistry?

You do know that elemental properties are a basis of chemistry, right?

Or, I should say you "would" if you had any fomal scientific training or schooling.

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As for the plane maneuvers being too advanced for training pilots,
there was a research study done with flight simulators.

Experienced aviators were not able to do said maneuvers with
such large an aircraft.

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As for the beams appearing to have been cut by thermite:

Look at the precise diagonal cut in this beam from 9/11.
A stress fracture would not be this clean and precise.

These are famous photos, and have much media exposure.

Here is ground zero:



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As people post their opinions and views, and you counter
with yours, Stereologist, please couner with something other
than a joke about how "how stupid/ dumb one can be to
believe that"

We have done well to propose facts and ideas, and you are simply
contrary.

By simply, I mean "small minded", "not thought out responses",
And responses that make no sense.

Perhaps we shall title you "simply" king.



posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Of your list showing Lungold a hoaxer,
Would you like to tackle another item number?

I don't suppose you will,
As your "gestation" argument went down the drain.



posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeDeuce

Even psychics like Edgar Cayce were unable
to see past that point in time...They say its all white, as if the universe is unified...into one mass of light....

Edgar Cayce was a fraud.

People who can see into the future yet not see the things that matter most? nothing will happen in 2012 that hasn't already happened. we will laugh in 2013 and forget about the whole thing



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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I don't believe the Maya had any kind of predictive powers. Even if their entire religion was based around the world ending on December 21, 2012, I still wouldn't believe.

With the exception of the Old Testament prophets, I don't believe in anyone telling the future.

The worst that could happen is a major terrorist attack (or several) deliberately timed to take advantage of 2012-related fears and incite mass panic.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeDeuce

Why weren't you attempting to disprove 2012 BEFORE the Y2K scare?


Uhh, that's like asking why we didn't dispute who would be in superbowl 30, the year super bowl 17 was being held. Why would we? Its just simply not time to discuss it yet.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 





To assume that civilizations who built pyramids, chicen itza,
And macchu picchu are unintelligent, is that in itself.


I didn't say they were unintelligent, I said they were less advanced. They obviously had less knowledge than we have today, just look at the advancements in medicine, sociology, physics, engineering, and farming. And yes, technology helps us get there, although it's us who invents technology. We can create terra preta, contrary to what you seem to believe





Perhaps you sould not think so highly of our current society.


I really don't, on the contrary


Just read some of the threads here, and putting humanity on a pedestal will seem ridiculous



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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I don't believe the Maya had any kind of predictive powers. Even if their entire religion was based around the world ending on December 21, 2012, I still wouldn't believe.

With the exception of the Old Testament prophets, I don't believe in anyone telling the future.


Don't you see the hypocrisy in this? Don't get me wrong, kudos for not falling for that 2012 hogwash, but it's not as if the old testament has any more objective evidence for all of its claims



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Thanks. That sounds like an interesting series. I'll have to keep an eye out for it. I guess they just chose to connect the turkey with the dinosaurs although the general thinking today is that all birds are descended from dinosaurs.

Anyone know where Feduccia, from UNC, stands on the issue today?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Stereologist, how can you say that a metal's melting point
is NOT chemistry?

A rather silly straw man argument in which you claimed transmutation.

Let's refresh your rather short memory.

You stated:

Also, remember the molten steel which
would not have become molten with jet fuel.


I replied:

A meaningless claim since there was no or little
molten steel.


Go back to 6th grade. Chemistry is not involved.


The latter was in response to the lie that there was lots of molten steel.
The issue is that you posted an ignorant lie about molten steel.
There was little molten steel. To suggest that jet fuel could not
have created what wasn't there is a wacko story.

So instead of making false claims about my expertise try
being truthful.

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As for the plane maneuvers being too advanced for training pilots,
there was a research study done with flight simulators.

Experienced aviators were not able to do said maneuvers with
such large an aircraft.


Because you are easily duped by these false claims tells
us plenty about your inability to discern reality from the
fantasies presented to you.

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As for the beams appearing to have been cut by thermite:

Look at the precise diagonal cut in this beam from 9/11.
A stress fracture would not be this clean and precise.


That was not a thermite cut. It was cut after the incident.

Wow you are easily duped.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 


Lungold falsified the gestation length because he is a liar as you have demonstrated yourself to be.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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reply to post by Meshakhad
 


The question of whether or not the Mayan had "predictive powers" is a moot point since the ancient Mayans did not make any predictions associated with the end of the long count calendar. The only ones that did this were modern hoaxers such as Lungold and Arguelles. A number of other hoaxers have tossed their hats in the ring soaking up the money of the gullible.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 


Lungold falsified the gestation length because he is a liar as you have demonstrated yourself to be.


You have proven no hoaxes, and
certainly have not disproven anything
that I have said.

You were right about the dead fish,
it was wrongly dated on another site.

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As for the gestation question, I posted the
exact quotes from the top 4 Human Gestation
links as compiled by google.

They proved that 260 and 280 are both
different methods of calculting the same number.

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However, 260 is more precise.

It is the definition of "preterm" which proved this.
Preterm is 259 days or ealier birth.
This makes full term gestation 260.

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The funny thing, is that I PROVED this in my replies.

Either you did not read those, or you did not believe them.
But you just disregarded everything calling me a hoaxer.

If ANYONE reads this complete thread, thy will see that you, Stereologist,
have not made a single valid point. All you have is closed-minded
skepticism.

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As for your contention that the March 9th date
does not coincide with the Japanese quake,
I think you are completely incorrect.

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You can not say that a 7.2 quake at the same location,
the day before one of the 5 biggests quakes ever means
NOTHING?

And you say that quakes don't release pressure?

Plate tectonic theory is that they definitely do
gain tension and pressure over time throughout the fault.

The longer without a quake, the more energy will be stored,
and the larger the quake will be.

So, the prequake 7.2 probably played a larg part in the mega quake.

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As for 7.2 being "nothing important", I remember watching
Live baseball during the 1989 baseball game famed for showing
the Californi quake, where bridges fell trapping cars.

This quake was a 6.9.
Wiki - 1989 California Earthquake

So, again your understanding of earthquakes is not sufficient
enough for you to comment on, without researching anything.

But, I do understand that it is entirely EASIER to
just spout rhetoric and false claim of hoaxers,
rather than study and research at least your own comments
and assertions.

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Long live Stereotrollologist
edit on 17-6-2011 by ThreeDeuce because: edit to reference earthquake



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Meshakhad
 


The question of whether or not the Mayan had "predictive powers" is a moot point since the ancient Mayans did not make any predictions associated with the end of the long count calendar. The only ones that did this were modern hoaxers such as Lungold and Arguelles. A number of other hoaxers have tossed their hats in the ring soaking up the money of the gullible.


Actually, the Mayans did make MANY predictions based on the Calendar.

But, they did not make exact predicitions.

They proved that time is cyclic, and for any predictions,
just look to the past and see what happened at the same point.

It is under this premise that many believe mass tragedy to be coming.

This premise applies to the end, and many shifts through the years.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Actually, the Mayans did make MANY predictions based on the Calendar.


There are no predictions associated with the end
of the long count calendar. There are none, zip, nil,
goose egg, nada.

The only predictions associated with the end of the
long count calendar are made up predictions.


They proved that time is cyclic

The Mayans were using linear time. They knew as
did other ancient civilizations that time is linear.
They show this in their use of the dating and the
long count calendar.


It is under this premise that many believe mass tragedy to be coming.

And is part of this New Age myth of modern
misconceptions.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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They proved that 260 and 280 are both
different methods of calculting the same number.

That's just an outright lie where you purposely
misrepresented the sites. The number is 280.
The number was shown on the sites you linked
to although you chose to misrepresent those
sites.

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However, 260 is more precise.

260 is wrong and represent a fringe case for the norm
which is 280. You are looking more foolish every time
you post.

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The funny thing, is that I PROVED this in my replies.

All you've shown is that you are a liar.

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You can not say that a 7.2 quake at the same location,
the day before one of the 5 biggests quakes ever means
NOTHING?

IT MEANS NOTHING. The quake was one of the 5 biggest
recorded and that has to be taken with a grain of salt since
quakes as large in historical times could easily have been
missed.

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And you say that quakes don't release pressure?

Is this yet another ever to misrepresent? Lesser quakes do not
reduce the severity of larger quakes.

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The longer without a quake, the more energy will be stored,
and the larger the quake will be.

The sum of energies of the smaller quakes is so smaller in
comparison to the larger quakes that the energy release is
unimportant.


So, the prequake 7.2 probably played a larg part in the mega quake.

Take a basic course in geology to learn how silly this statement
is.

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As for 7.2 being "nothing important", I remember watching
Live baseball during the 1989 baseball game famed for showing
the Californi quake, where bridges fell trapping cars.

Another misrepresentation. You can't help yourself can you.

The quake was unimportant in the context of Japan which experiences
such quakes on a regular basis as I showed in the post.


So, again your understanding of earthquakes is not sufficient
enough for you to comment on, without researching anything.

Your inability to be truthful and to not misrepresent is stunning. You
make Lucus look good.

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Long live Stereotrollologist

Next time you misrepresent my name I will ask the mods to remove your entire post.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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If ANYONE reads this complete thread, thy will see that you, Stereologist,
have not made a single valid point. All you have is closed-minded
skepticism.


I hope you realise that you can't be close minded and a skeptic at the same time. If you're sceptical, you're looking for proof, objective evidence, and facts...something you haven't provided anywhere in this entire thread.




They proved that time is cyclic


Actually, time is relative...but who cares about real info when you can just as well make stuff up, right? The way we MEASURE time is cyclical, which makes sense because as the earth goes around the sun, ancient people realised things repeated. For example, once a year, they noticed stars in a certain position. And a few months later, that happened again. So of course they measured it in cyclical calendars.

But time itself isn't cyclical, at least there's no objective evidence that would suggest otherwise.




It is under this premise that many believe mass tragedy to be coming.


Yes, just like the crazy guy on Times Square holding a "the end is near" sign...he's been doing that for a while, and many people have always claimed the end is near. We're still waiting


In short, PLEASE start thinking objectively and don't act like someone who's so into Dungeons and Dragons that he claims elves are real.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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" If ANYONE reads this complete thread, thy will see that you, Stereologist,
have not made a single valid point. All you have is closed-minded
skepticism... "

Add to this a complete lack of education...He is running into threads telling everybody to get back to study because no one understands a thing without Stereo's help.
Who are you, some sort of mega genius?



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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At least he's actually interested in objective evidence rather than making crap up or following crap other guys made up.



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