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A question for all the "2012" non-believers

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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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Why some folks give so much credit to ancient civilizations boggles my mind. Just because some civs were more advanced, doesn't make them experts at astronomy, etc. I mean honestly.. the Mayan people thought it was a "good idea" to pierce their dongs in a ritual, and burn the blood to appease the "gods" (i.e. suns, planets, our moon, etc). They did not even recognize the heavenly bodies for what they are.

And yet.. they are supposedly so brilliant, as to foretell astronomical events thousands of years in the future?

For some reason, I'm not too worried about it.




posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by fleabit
Why some folks give so much credit to ancient civilizations boggles my mind. Just because some civs were more advanced, doesn't make them experts at astronomy, etc. I mean honestly.. the Mayan people thought it was a "good idea" to pierce their dongs in a ritual, and burn the blood to appease the "gods" (i.e. suns, planets, our moon, etc). They did not even recognize the heavenly bodies for what they are.

And yet.. they are supposedly so brilliant, as to foretell astronomical events thousands of years in the future?

For some reason, I'm not too worried about it.


And that pretty much sums it up.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by fleabit
Why some folks give so much credit to ancient civilizations boggles my mind. Just because some civs were more advanced, doesn't make them experts at astronomy, etc. I mean honestly.. the Mayan people thought it was a "good idea" to pierce their dongs in a ritual, and burn the blood to appease the "gods" (i.e. suns, planets, our moon, etc). They did not even recognize the heavenly bodies for what they are.

And yet.. they are supposedly so brilliant, as to foretell astronomical events thousands of years in the future?

For some reason, I'm not too worried about it.


And that pretty much sums it up.


That pretty much does sum up a closed minded philosophy.

Perhaps check out the thread :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I believe it provides PROOF that calleman/ lungold
Are NOT hoaxers.

But, take it for what you will,
As I am sure most will not read or accept this.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 


From your other thread:




Right after 9/11 everyone thought about the same things, everyone viewed themselves as one of a nation, and everyone flew flags and felt more together. But, we viewed a world of terror, and our whole conciousness was pushed to "How can we stop this"

I think a disaster in which we all say "Oh crap,we're all in this together, tho." is likely.


First of all, the link provided doesn't present any objective evidence to support the claims...but apart from that...

You do realize that your entire view of the world is US centric, right? You might wanna look up those wars that followed 9/11, stopping terror wasn't really the main driver. Gaining access to resources and getting the lobbyists paid was. Most of the terrorists came from SAUDI ARABIA, lead by a group based out of Afghanistan. Yet for some reason we ended up in Iraq, and left other terrorist HQs like Syria, Libya, and Yemen completely untouched. "Stopping this [terrorism]" clearly wasn't the goal


Also, you do realize that disasters like that have happened FOR MILLENNIA, right? To pretend today's disasters are somehow worse is beyond laughable. WW2 cost more lives than the current wars. There's been worse floods in history, and worse economic crisis.

In short, it's all complete and utter nonsense. But you're of course welcome to prove me wrong...post anything from that site you consider objective proof!! I dare you



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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I don't see how you can call the
Japanese quake / tsunami just
another disaster.

I showed how calleman (in my opinion)
correctly pedicted a major shift by
interpretation of the calendar.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeDeuce

Originally posted by simples
How many times can the world supposedly end?


Are you saying that there NEVER has been any mass extinctions on this planet,
or are you saying that we could never be affected by these,

Just as the dinosaurs never died, and the holocaust never happened?


Not that I'm down playing the event, but the extinction of the dinosaurs was a couple of orders of magnitude larger than the holocaust in terms of death.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by epsilon69

Not that I'm down playing the event, but the extinction of the dinosaurs was a couple of orders of magnitude larger than the holocaust in terms of death.


Epsilon, you are new here, so I will take it easy on you.

I only mentioned these two things in the same sentence.

I was even making a comment about people
saying they didn't exist.

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Never did I try to say one was greater than the other.

Never did I say that less dinosaurs died than Jews.
This is ludicrous.

Where did you get this from?

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I would vetnure to say the majority of people
would agree that, to them, the holocaust was
more tragic than dino extinction.

This is because we can personalize
the number of human deaths.

Dinosaurs died at such an extreme number
that we can not wrap our minds around it.


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Its like visualizing the number of insects
we (as a human race) kill on a yealry basis.

I have no clue the number, but it must
be huge. The number of ants that we kill
in a single anthill. Can easily top one
hundred thousand ants.

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One interesting dinosaur fact:

Did you know that modern day turkeys
Are evolved ancestors of velociraptors?

Next turkey day, or even sandwich, think
Jurassic Park



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 


From your other thread:




Right after 9/11 everyone thought about the same things, everyone viewed themselves as one of a nation, and everyone flew flags and felt more together. But, we viewed a world of terror, and our whole conciousness was pushed to "How can we stop this"

I think a disaster in which we all say "Oh crap,we're all in this together, tho." is likely.


First of all, the link provided doesn't present any objective evidence to support the claims...but apart from that...

You do realize that your entire view of the world is US centric, right? You might wanna look up those wars that followed 9/11, stopping terror wasn't really the main driver. Gaining access to resources and getting the lobbyists paid was. Most of the terrorists came from SAUDI ARABIA, lead by a group based out of Afghanistan. Yet for some reason we ended up in Iraq, and left other terrorist HQs like Syria, Libya, and Yemen completely untouched. "Stopping this [terrorism]" clearly wasn't the goal


Also, you do realize that disasters like that have happened FOR MILLENNIA, right? To pretend today's disasters are somehow worse is beyond laughable. WW2 cost more lives than the current wars. There's been worse floods in history, and worse economic crisis.

In short, it's all complete and utter nonsense. But you're of course welcome to prove me wrong...post anything from that site you consider objective proof!! I dare you


Xyz, did you even read the last page.

It breaks down everything that happened on the 9th.


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Also, you do realize that your whole theory
rests on an inexperienced pilot performing
precise aerial maneuvers that most expert
pilots say they would have trouble doing.

Many pilots say it would be impossble with
a large passenger jet.

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Also, half of your middle eastern hijackers
ended up still being alive!

If you don't even acknowledge that 9/11 might
have been a false flag attack, then you are
more closed minded than I previously imagined.

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Also, remember the molten steel which
would not have become molten with jet fuel.

Chemistry says it can not happen.

Jet fuel does not burn hot enough,
no matter how much fuel was in the tanks.

Many demolitions experts say the beams look
to have been severed with thermite.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Thanks for proving my point by going on pretending the entire world (and apparently the TWZ stuff) revolves around the US



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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if it come theres nothing you can do anyways but make sure your soul is at peace



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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I believe it provides PROOF that calleman/ lungold
Are NOT hoaxers.

Lungold was a painter that saw money in telling idiot stories to tourists. When I was traveling my friends and I invented the term "geeding". It means that someone is telling a baloney story with the hopes of getting a large tip. So Lungold feeds the minds of the nitwits with nitwit stories that are not based on facts.

in fact he makes all sorts of stupid lies to support his rather lame brained claims such as human gestation period being the same as the number of says in a Mayan calendar. Definitely wrong. Of course i don't imagine the knowheads that paid for the lecture knew any better or even cared since they were as close minded as possible.


As I am sure most will not read or accept this.

People that can think know that these pair of bufoons are not telling the truth.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 



I would vetnure to say the majority of people
would agree that, to them, the holocaust was
more tragic than dino extinction.


I can think of several horrible events that top the
holocause in terms of human destruction either as
pure numbers or percentage of the population.

I can also think of genetic loss as great. I think the
point of the poster was in terms of the destruction
and dame on the Earth rather than the egocentric
viewpoint of a human.

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It's not just the numbers of insects destroyed, but
also a notion of the genetic pool that is affected.

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Did you know that modern day turkeys
Are evolved ancestors of velociraptors?

Is that established or conjecture?

I suppose that the basis for your conjecture
includes stegasaurus as well. That is an ornithiscian
too.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Also, you do realize that your whole theory
rests on an inexperienced pilot performing
precise aerial maneuvers that most expert
pilots say they would have trouble doing.

Do you realize that you've bought into a hoax based on
a single claim that has been shown to be based
on faulty evidence?


Also, you do realize that your whole theory
rests on an inexperienced pilot performing
precise aerial maneuvers that most expert
pilots say they would have trouble doing.

Again, many is 1.

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Also, half of your middle eastern hijackers
ended up still being alive!

Who are you including in this claim?

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If you don't even acknowledge that 9/11 might
have been a false flag attack, then you are
more closed minded than I previously imagined.


Your close minded thinking is what leads you
to this odd notions.

===============================


Also, remember the molten steel which
would not have become molten with jet fuel.

A meaningless claim since there was no or little
molten steel.

==================================


Chemistry says it can not happen.

Go back to 6th grade. Chemistry is not involved.

====================================


Jet fuel does not burn hot enough,
no matter how much fuel was in the tanks.

Burn hot enough to melt metal? It was certainly
hot enough to melt metal.

==================================


Many demolitions experts say the beams look
to have been severed with thermite.


How closeminded do you have to be to fall for this
silliness?



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by ThreeDeuce
 



Did you know that modern day turkeys
Are evolved ancestors of velociraptors?

Is that established or conjecture?

I suppose that the basis for your conjecture
includes stegasaurus as well. That is an ornithiscian
too.



I do understand that many dinosaurs and
modern day birds are related / ancesotrs.

But, where I got the raptor comment from,
was a television seres icalled "Morphed".

Each episode, they take a modern species,
and say what ancestor it came from, and
what made it evolve like that.

This show said the raptors lived in trees, and
Swooped down to their prey.

I found it funny that no turkeys don't fly much at all.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by fleabit
Why some folks give so much credit to ancient civilizations boggles my mind. Just because some civs were more advanced, doesn't make them experts at astronomy, etc. I mean honestly.. the Mayan people thought it was a "good idea" to pierce their dongs in a ritual, and burn the blood to appease the "gods" (i.e. suns, planets, our moon, etc). They did not even recognize the heavenly bodies for what they are.

And yet.. they are supposedly so brilliant, as to foretell astronomical events thousands of years in the future?

For some reason, I'm not too worried about it.


Yeah sorry but you are totally wrong on this one. The Mayans WERE incredibly advanced in their astronomy. This is well accepted knowledge AFAIK. The point being they were incredible at maths and astronomy thousands of years before our modern systems were developed. That is pretty awesome. Also the did know about the planets so I don't know where you are getting that from.

So they weren't as advanced in other areas, does that make the astronomy wrong? No!

Do you know what we do today to appease our gods? We fly massive metal objects over other countries and drop other metal objects that explode when they hit the ground, killing people. At least their sacrifices were for a good reason like inducing a good harvest - ours are so we can pull more black sludge out of the ground and burn that black sludge just like you are saying they burned blood. People STILL peirce their genitals in rituals. WTF?

You really think we are so advanced? You really think we are so special that we should disregard everything that came before?

*Reality check, isle 4*



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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The fact remains...we ARE more advanced than the Mayans, and not only when it comes to astronomy. Every single thing they did we could now improve upon, every single thing



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by ThreeDeuce

Originally posted by simples
How many times can the world supposedly end?


Are you saying that there NEVER has been any mass extinctions on this planet,
or are you saying that we could never be affected by these,

Just as the dinosaurs never died, and the holocaust never happened?


As tragic as it was the holocaust was not a mass extinction. Not even close.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Gab1159
Oh and OP! You've got me interested! Can you provide us with a link of the astral projectionists unable to see past 2012? I'm not sure it's the same thing, but I've been reading stuff about the military Montauk project, an alternative military experiment involving mind control, time travel, dimensional travel... I remember reading that all time projectionists couldn't see past 2011-2012...All of this happened before the 2012 hype so that's why your claim got me really interested!


Not addressed to me so please forgive me for sticking my 2 cents in here.
I believe it is remote viewers who are unable to see beyond this date. The military had a remote viewing program that the movie Men Who Stare At Goats was based on. I cant do it but I have heard that remote viewing can be taught to almost anyone.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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That's interesting. Would you like to elaborate?



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by ThreeDeuce

Originally posted by simples
How many times can the world supposedly end?


Are you saying that there NEVER has been any mass extinctions on this planet,
or are you saying that we could never be affected by these,

Just as the dinosaurs never died, and the holocaust never happened?


As tragic as it was the holocaust was not a mass extinction. Not even close.


I never said the holocaust was a mass extinction,
Just that people deny the most obvious things.

Just because ahmidiniwacko says the holocaust never happend,
does not mean its all a Jewish conspiracy.....



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